My new 982 718 Cayman S PDK
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Brian_Innes
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Thanks David. I'll bear that in mind as a viable option. OZ wheels have my respect as do the Cup 2's.
I love my track driving, even at 70 years old and driving my "Golf in a dress" which is surprisingly good on the track I am relieved to say.
If my health holds out I'll consider buying spare wheels and Cup 2's for next year.
Brian
I love my track driving, even at 70 years old and driving my "Golf in a dress" which is surprisingly good on the track I am relieved to say.
If my health holds out I'll consider buying spare wheels and Cup 2's for next year.
Brian
Brian_Innes
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My 718 CS crossed the 6k miles threshold so I had the engine oil and filter changed. I always change my engine oil and filter after the running-in period. I also had a good look underneath the car on the ramp. It's a packed engine bay with lots of plumbing and complex exhaust pathways. The rear subframe and suspension components are hugely different to my Cayman R. The 718 CS looks much beefier and rigid at the rear, and the engine and transaxle mountings are more substantial with dynamic mountings on the Sport Chrono option. Little wonder the car has more grip than my CR.
I also had a geo check and adjustment done as the springs and bushes have settled a bit by now. It really frustrates me that the camber adjustments as defined by Porsche are so minimal. It's little more than a tweak. Also annoying is the slots on the top mounts are never in sync on both sides. With the 718 as on all of my previous Caymans, the struts on one side always have more negative than the other when the slots are maxed. To achieve symmetry, I have to back-off the best one to suit the other lesser value.
On my 718 I can only get a fraction over one degree of negative camber equally on both sides. Very frustrating. Ideally I would like 2.5 degrees of negative on the front, but as my car is new I have to keep it standard for warranty purposes. I've set the front toe to parallel, at least I can achieve that. On the rear, I have set 2 degrees of negative camber and 0.20 degrees positive of total toe.
I also checked the tyre wear on my P Zero N1's after 3 track sessions and 6k miles. The outer shoulders of all four are showing 4mm tread depth, with 5mm on the remainder of the tread. I took the opportunity to check the shoulder and centre tread depth on brand new P Zeros on a showroom Boxster which showed 5mm and 7mm respectively.
The PCGB Knockhill track day is on the 24th June so the 4mm P Zero shoulders will be exercised yet again. To be honest, I'll be glad to be shot of them and get Michelins on.
I'll report back with G-Force readings from Knockhill as it's a good circuit for leaning on the tyres with lots of undulating direction changes. Be good to see some of you Southerners making the trip north. There are still a few places left I believe. It's a great little circuit.
Brian
I also had a geo check and adjustment done as the springs and bushes have settled a bit by now. It really frustrates me that the camber adjustments as defined by Porsche are so minimal. It's little more than a tweak. Also annoying is the slots on the top mounts are never in sync on both sides. With the 718 as on all of my previous Caymans, the struts on one side always have more negative than the other when the slots are maxed. To achieve symmetry, I have to back-off the best one to suit the other lesser value.
On my 718 I can only get a fraction over one degree of negative camber equally on both sides. Very frustrating. Ideally I would like 2.5 degrees of negative on the front, but as my car is new I have to keep it standard for warranty purposes. I've set the front toe to parallel, at least I can achieve that. On the rear, I have set 2 degrees of negative camber and 0.20 degrees positive of total toe.
I also checked the tyre wear on my P Zero N1's after 3 track sessions and 6k miles. The outer shoulders of all four are showing 4mm tread depth, with 5mm on the remainder of the tread. I took the opportunity to check the shoulder and centre tread depth on brand new P Zeros on a showroom Boxster which showed 5mm and 7mm respectively.
The PCGB Knockhill track day is on the 24th June so the 4mm P Zero shoulders will be exercised yet again. To be honest, I'll be glad to be shot of them and get Michelins on.
I'll report back with G-Force readings from Knockhill as it's a good circuit for leaning on the tyres with lots of undulating direction changes. Be good to see some of you Southerners making the trip north. There are still a few places left I believe. It's a great little circuit.
Brian
Brian_Innes
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For those of you interested in Cayman geo settings, in particular 718 CS with -20mm PASM, I attach the print-out from my most recent geo re-set.
As I said previously, Porsche don't provide enough adjustment at the front top mount slots to achieve the ideal negative camber values for motorsport and track use. However, in my experience with 4 Caymans all of which were used on the track, these settings suit both general road and occasional track day use very well indeed.
Brian
As I said previously, Porsche don't provide enough adjustment at the front top mount slots to achieve the ideal negative camber values for motorsport and track use. However, in my experience with 4 Caymans all of which were used on the track, these settings suit both general road and occasional track day use very well indeed.
Brian
Brian_Innes
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The Knockhill track day was a huge success. The revised geo settings were absolutely spot-on for the track, and my 718 was absolutely flying. I completed a total of 60 laps and had 6 passengers sit in with me. All of them were astounded at the grip, braking, handling poise, and punchy acceleration of the 718 CS. The more I drive it, the better it gets.
For amusement I recorded some G-Force readings. Even with P Zeros, the figures are pretty respectable. I would expect the numbers to be even more impressive with a set of grippy Michelins fitted. That is already on my agenda for next year.
Brian
For amusement I recorded some G-Force readings. Even with P Zeros, the figures are pretty respectable. I would expect the numbers to be even more impressive with a set of grippy Michelins fitted. That is already on my agenda for next year.
Brian
BJ Innes said:
not bad that geo -1.5 neg up front (it seems luck of the draw from 1 to 1.5, seems you maxed it well), as you say ideal for road use and the odd track day. The GT4 party piece is pulling G I can get >1.5 on the road lol
I think every one who has been in my car now has said they will never get in it again so far lol I run -2.2 and Cup 2 of course and the G's are crazy, I must get it on track again soon as I have not been on track since the last tweaks.
On a p zero note, I just binned my brand new set of P zero on the Golf CS, I hated the tyres, so PS4S have been fitted last week and due to the thinner size (225) a full set fitted was £655 even in 19" I love hot hatch's mods and prices, if I were to go to 18" track wheels for the Golf a set of PS4S is £480 lol
Also fitted an Engine mount and short shift kit (£50 and £100, no Porsche tax here), be looking to try the ClubSport on track soon and show up some Porkers lol I am loving the Golf atm it's a hooning machine.
It's so far been one of my Fav cars from a mounting >75 cars owned.
I have a G meter in the Golf also but it does not record the max, only gives a live setting so cannot really see what I have pulled mid corner :-(
I bet the Torque is fun out the bends in the 718, Torque wins races ;-) just ditch the P zero's and you will be amazed what most cars these days can do with proper tyres.
And I am sure you have noticed the 718 bigger brake performance, at last nice size calipers on a Cayman
I think if my Golf had the DSG it would keep up with most things on track, the manual has a slight lag and the clutch release is slow so it makes shifts slow (there is a mod for that
) https://youtu.be/Z6VPhtFKni8
worth a watch although he over takes a GT4 in the 1st 20 seconds :-(
Slightly off-topic but rather amusing, have a look at this Yeti spanking an Ariel Atom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J-J20H-c64
Here's an in-car shot at Bedford where he's chasing down the field, including a 911 - all very undramatic..!
[link]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAm4CgJfdWo[/url]
It just shows what a well-sorted 4x4 Yeti with a 510hp 2.5L Audi 5-pot with a big turbo and Stage 3 Revo can do.
Jeff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J-J20H-c64
Here's an in-car shot at Bedford where he's chasing down the field, including a 911 - all very undramatic..!
[link]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAm4CgJfdWo[/url]
It just shows what a well-sorted 4x4 Yeti with a 510hp 2.5L Audi 5-pot with a big turbo and Stage 3 Revo can do.
Jeff
Brian_Innes
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Back on topic, I have a photo from Knockhill for your amusement. The -20mm Sports PASM sits very well on the track and the revised geo gives great steering feel. I used to campaign my CR around Knockhill in 2014 in the road car class of the Super Lap Scotland championship and had a great battle with an E46 BMW M3. I came out on top at the end of the season by 3 points.
My 718 in it's current form is faster than my CR as expected, but the surprise for me was how playful and absolutely confidence inspiring the high speed handling is. I absolutely felt at one with the car, just as I did with my CR.
Brian
My 718 in it's current form is faster than my CR as expected, but the surprise for me was how playful and absolutely confidence inspiring the high speed handling is. I absolutely felt at one with the car, just as I did with my CR.
Brian
I think a geo is key to new porkers oem set up are dire/safe.
also why any test drive or pec visits leaves me very cold with understeering mess of cars.
not many people want to change the geo though which is a shame.
More torque, better chassis, bigger brakes it should be a better car all round, alas for a lot of people the 4 pot is the sticking point.
also why any test drive or pec visits leaves me very cold with understeering mess of cars.
not many people want to change the geo though which is a shame.
More torque, better chassis, bigger brakes it should be a better car all round, alas for a lot of people the 4 pot is the sticking point.
Brian_Innes
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Let say me something about the 718 engine David.
I have had a more than a dozen passengers sit with me in the 718 at Anglesey and Knockhill track days. On both occasions I have been absolutely nailing it around the track, using all of the 7500 revs of the 4-pot turbo. You know what? Not a single one has had a negative comment either about the sound, power delivery, torque, and acceleration of the 4 cylinder engine. When on full song on the track, and I mean full song in the motorsport sense, not pointing and squirting, the engine is an absolute peach. No turbo lag, linear acceleration to the red line, and punchy torque out of the slow corners.
At Knockhill during one of my hot laps I caught up a GT4, yes, seriously. As we exited the 2nd gear 35mph hairpin I was actually having to feather the throttle of the 718 to avoid running too close to the GT4. I held my distance all the way to the end of the uphill straight, the GT4 did not pull away. For the sake of modesty I'll leave the commentary there as the next section of Duffs Dip is one where local knowledge and driver ability kicks in. My point is, that the power delivery of the 4 pot turbo has huge potential and forthcoming evolutions of this power unit will be with us some time yet.
I will acknowledge that the sound of the 4-pot is at its worst on motorways and when poodling about. Get it revving on the track, and it's character changes dramatically.
Brian
I have had a more than a dozen passengers sit with me in the 718 at Anglesey and Knockhill track days. On both occasions I have been absolutely nailing it around the track, using all of the 7500 revs of the 4-pot turbo. You know what? Not a single one has had a negative comment either about the sound, power delivery, torque, and acceleration of the 4 cylinder engine. When on full song on the track, and I mean full song in the motorsport sense, not pointing and squirting, the engine is an absolute peach. No turbo lag, linear acceleration to the red line, and punchy torque out of the slow corners.
At Knockhill during one of my hot laps I caught up a GT4, yes, seriously. As we exited the 2nd gear 35mph hairpin I was actually having to feather the throttle of the 718 to avoid running too close to the GT4. I held my distance all the way to the end of the uphill straight, the GT4 did not pull away. For the sake of modesty I'll leave the commentary there as the next section of Duffs Dip is one where local knowledge and driver ability kicks in. My point is, that the power delivery of the 4 pot turbo has huge potential and forthcoming evolutions of this power unit will be with us some time yet.
I will acknowledge that the sound of the 4-pot is at its worst on motorways and when poodling about. Get it revving on the track, and it's character changes dramatically.
Brian
BJ Innes said:
Some may not say anything out of politeness though, surely? If a friend of mine took me out in their new car I would be reluctant to say anything too negative if I valued their friendship [
]BJ Innes said:
I had the displeasure of a 718 Boxster S loan car recently from my OPC and regarding the revving it out aspect, my wife insisted I stop thrashing it as she hated the sound that much. As MrDemon says the 4-pot is the sticking point for a lot of people, however for the pair of us it's the absolute deal breaker due to both the sound and the throttle response.
I'm glad you're liking your car though Brian, and they are certainly fast - of that there is no doubt!
When I recently drove a 718S, I spent my time enjoying the handling and power delivery. I can't say I was particularly aware of the engine noise being a particular issue. Sure it sounds different to my free breathing 3.8L at 7.8k revs but it also sounds different to a V12 Ferrari, V10 Lambo, V8 Aston, and even a lowly Ford BDA at full chat.
Brian_Innes
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Fair comment all.
I would like to think my passengers know me well enough to say whether or not the engine sound is a deal-breaker. As Ralph so correctly points out, when you are enjoying the handling, braking, and torquey power delivery, the engine sound is incidental.
I approached the 718 with an open mind. If it had turned out disappointing I would say so. Honestly, the car is good.......very good.
Brian
I would like to think my passengers know me well enough to say whether or not the engine sound is a deal-breaker. As Ralph so correctly points out, when you are enjoying the handling, braking, and torquey power delivery, the engine sound is incidental.
I approached the 718 with an open mind. If it had turned out disappointing I would say so. Honestly, the car is good.......very good.
Brian
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