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Bones,
I'll try it this weekend if I can; I've been thinking about it for the last few days. I've even thought it would be possible if the test proves OK, to rig-up a permanent water circuit from a second water bottle with a windscreen washer pump connected to a switch under the dash.
The washer pump would be air tight, therefore no vac leak.
This could be used as a perodical maintenance device
The only possible negative I can think of would be if the car was mothballed after dosing with H2O. Any residue (water) left in crankcase could/would cause problems.
Apart from that, the water would absorb heat, turning to steam, cooling valves as it passed.
I'll come back to the 3.2 forum and post my findings.
I might try it on our Volvo first... tough bloody thing.[&:]
Stay tuned
I'll try it this weekend if I can; I've been thinking about it for the last few days. I've even thought it would be possible if the test proves OK, to rig-up a permanent water circuit from a second water bottle with a windscreen washer pump connected to a switch under the dash.
The washer pump would be air tight, therefore no vac leak.
This could be used as a perodical maintenance device
The only possible negative I can think of would be if the car was mothballed after dosing with H2O. Any residue (water) left in crankcase could/would cause problems.
Apart from that, the water would absorb heat, turning to steam, cooling valves as it passed.
I'll come back to the 3.2 forum and post my findings.
I might try it on our Volvo first... tough bloody thing.[&:]
Stay tuned
steh
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HI Bones,
thanks for the reply re the oil. you say that you use magnatec but find it to be more on +++£s. what do you normally pay for 4.5ltr can, as i was shopping at morrisons last nigh (normally tesco) and looked at there car bits and founf that 4.5 ltr of magnatec is only £14.99p.
hope to here from you. steve
thanks for the reply re the oil. you say that you use magnatec but find it to be more on +++£s. what do you normally pay for 4.5ltr can, as i was shopping at morrisons last nigh (normally tesco) and looked at there car bits and founf that 4.5 ltr of magnatec is only £14.99p.
hope to here from you. steve
bones
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Wish I lived in the Isle of man I'd be round to observe, to the uninitiated this may sound a little bizarre but it makes very good sense. I'm intrigued to know where you will feed the water into. I would start with a plant spray bottle or similar, I believe the idea is to introduce water till you hear the engine stutter then stop, meanwhile observing the mess coming out of the exhaust!
Good luck
Good luck
Sorry, haven't been on here for a while. Martin Harvey has been around for years - he ran (runs?) a lot of racecars in the 924 series so should be hot on water cooled cars. He's rebuilt a couple of engines for me (latterly the one I buzzed in my 964 RS) and is a real gent. You wouldn't know he was there even if you lived round the corner from his collection of huts on a farm (imagine Autofarm circa 1973 and you'll get the general idea).
I can't remember whether I've published his number before but here goes - 01992 462662.
I haven't seen him for something like 5 years and am assuming that he and his son Neil are still in business - do pass on my regards if you make contact.
John, your car sounds pretty normal to me - whistle and all
I can't remember whether I've published his number before but here goes - 01992 462662.
I haven't seen him for something like 5 years and am assuming that he and his son Neil are still in business - do pass on my regards if you make contact.
John, your car sounds pretty normal to me - whistle and all
Guest
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Hi Steve,
I'm covering around 1,000 miles a month in the car (daily driver) and since April have topped up with about 1 & 1/4 litres of Magnatec, having covered 2,500+ miles so far. It's difficult for me personally to tell what difference this oil has made yet to be honest, as the tank contains Halfords 10/40 part-synthetic from the previous ownership, so I've only replaced about 1/10th of the total contents with Magnatec, but ... during a spirited run last weekend, I stopped off at a services, unscrewed the oil cap, started pouring the Magnatec and I swear that within in a minute the sound coming from the filler pipe suddenly quietened and became a lot smoother-sounding. It only needed less than 1/4 litre so it's not like it was gagging for oil. I was really surprised to hear the change like that.
Other than that, I'm getting used to driving at high revs, even though this often means driving about town in 1st (!!!) and sometimes only reaching 2nd on other roads and barely ever getting above 3rd at 70mph on the motorway. The reason being, I'm trying to keep the car above 4,000, preferably 5,000 revs (I just ADORE the sound), which I've been advised to do by other members since I started this thread, to help in my current quest to settle the engine down without the need for a top-end rebuild just yet - something that I was told I had to have (reason for posting here in the first place) but which I really don't think I need to have.
The car is settling down really well, the kangaroo-ing that I was experiencing at low revs if I even THOUGHT about lifting or dipping the throttle just a tiny bit, has almost disappeared, the engine sounds smoother and idles much better once up to temperature (I'd thought I was imagining this a couple of weeks ago, but it's improved in a major way for sure), the gear changing is much smoother, I can now change from 2nd to 1st with the car moving - couldn't budge it into 1st before until stopped. I've also begun double declutching and have started to practice the heel-toe techique for gear shifts..... and I am driving this car the way it was designed to be driven and hasn't been driven for the past 12 years of previous ownership! [
]Later this month, I'll be doing a complete oil change.
Till then, I'll gradually push it harder. This week I've started to red-line it a little bit, which is probably the best sound I've ever heard in my whole life. If my driving style is doing any harm to this engine, then the more I'm doing the sweeter it's sounding and the more responsive it's becoming, pulling away better than ever and noticeably so from start to end of every week. And that doesn't sound very harmful to me. [
]John
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Hi Mark,
I'm going to call Martin H this month to arrange for him to do what will be the second opinion on the state of the engine. With what everyone on here has been so forthcoming and helpful with telling me and advising, plus the unquestionable and dramatic improvements that I'm noticing with the car, I'm confident that Martin's opinion will be more positive than the one I got when I'd first had it checked over elsewhere. I don't doubt the integrity of the first tester but in all fairness they were checking out a car that the previous owners had treated far too softly and covered on average about 1,000 miles per year for 10 years. I'm surprised that the diagnosis at the time was a simple "engine needs a top-end rebuild" when just driving it the way I do has seen so much overall improvement in a short period of time.
When I arrange the visit to Martin, I'll post on here to let you all know what the outcome is!
John
I'm going to call Martin H this month to arrange for him to do what will be the second opinion on the state of the engine. With what everyone on here has been so forthcoming and helpful with telling me and advising, plus the unquestionable and dramatic improvements that I'm noticing with the car, I'm confident that Martin's opinion will be more positive than the one I got when I'd first had it checked over elsewhere. I don't doubt the integrity of the first tester but in all fairness they were checking out a car that the previous owners had treated far too softly and covered on average about 1,000 miles per year for 10 years. I'm surprised that the diagnosis at the time was a simple "engine needs a top-end rebuild" when just driving it the way I do has seen so much overall improvement in a short period of time.
When I arrange the visit to Martin, I'll post on here to let you all know what the outcome is!
John
steh
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hi john, thanks for the reply,
it's funny you say that when you put a drop of oil in the sound seemed to change. i had the garage change mine on monday and although it seemed to sound the same, the drive did seem to be smoother, maybe it's in the mind?
the feeling nevers goes away of wanting to here the sound from behind, i got mine in 95 and i feel the same now as i did then, my wife says i never grow up....
steve
it's funny you say that when you put a drop of oil in the sound seemed to change. i had the garage change mine on monday and although it seemed to sound the same, the drive did seem to be smoother, maybe it's in the mind?
the feeling nevers goes away of wanting to here the sound from behind, i got mine in 95 and i feel the same now as i did then, my wife says i never grow up....
steve
bones
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I don't think it is entirely in the mind Steve, if you drive a vehicle often you become sensitised to it's finer points, this is why multiple championship winning racers such as Prost , Senna, Schumacher, Doohan and Rossi are often great communicators of what a machine is doing in motion and are easily able to feel minute difference in performance and set up. Fresh oil is more viscous and clings better to parts cushioning their interaction. It must be detectable or we wouldn't notice it.
bones
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This all sounds very encouraging John but don't get into a habit of driving in one particular gear - obviously if you are driving to Scotland on the Motorway that is hard to avoid - as you will prematurely wear it in relation to the others and end up with a gearbox needing a rebuild long before it should.
dtunnicliffe
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Bones,
Once again you are right on the money. Cars that have spent much of their life in towns and on short urban journeys often suffer premature wear on 2nd and 3rd gears while 4th and 5th remain sweet. My G50 is being rebuilt as we speak by Neil Bainbridge at BS Motorsport. 2nd gear in my example showed the most noticable signs of wear on the road. Clearly a previous owner had been a town driver.
On our earlier point, it also took me best part of a year (2500 miles) to clear the carbon from the rings on my 3.2. My recent 'spirited sprint' across France accompanied by a pal in his '73 RS replica really blew the cobwebs away but left me thinking about the G50. Hope to have it back next week when Neil has finished playing at Nuremburg Ring. I'll post a report on the rebuild at some point.
Dave
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Once again you are right on the money. Cars that have spent much of their life in towns and on short urban journeys often suffer premature wear on 2nd and 3rd gears while 4th and 5th remain sweet. My G50 is being rebuilt as we speak by Neil Bainbridge at BS Motorsport. 2nd gear in my example showed the most noticable signs of wear on the road. Clearly a previous owner had been a town driver.
On our earlier point, it also took me best part of a year (2500 miles) to clear the carbon from the rings on my 3.2. My recent 'spirited sprint' across France accompanied by a pal in his '73 RS replica really blew the cobwebs away but left me thinking about the G50. Hope to have it back next week when Neil has finished playing at Nuremburg Ring. I'll post a report on the rebuild at some point.
Dave
dtunnicliffe
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Bones, I'm pretty convinced he is well up to the job. he found a mark on 2nd, honed it out and put it all back together. The road test revealed that it was now worse than before. He's since stipped it again, ordered a new gear - all work which he says his 'down to him'. I can't say fairer than that. In addition he's down the crownwheel and pinion pre-load again and replaced the cone barings plus a new 1st and all synchros plus a new clutch, cover and actuator. Re-bushed the gear stick while at it. All in all a total 5 spanner or more job. AND, he's a great bloke to boot!
Didn't see an RR but i was so taken by the wicked machinery I could well have missed it.. Not every day you get up real close to a 996, GT3 RSR with 450 brake.. loads of carbon mods (all done in house). The lads are so bloody lucky to work there I can tell you - I'd love to do so.
Dave
Didn't see an RR but i was so taken by the wicked machinery I could well have missed it.. Not every day you get up real close to a 996, GT3 RSR with 450 brake.. loads of carbon mods (all done in house). The lads are so bloody lucky to work there I can tell you - I'd love to do so.
Dave
bones
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I'm thinking I will go to the Isle of Man for a break in the next few years so if I do I will need some friends over there.
That's an interesting read I wish he had tried it on fuel injection maybe you should write to him and tell him you are about to try water for the purpose of decarbonising, he might have a few tips.
That's an interesting read I wish he had tried it on fuel injection maybe you should write to him and tell him you are about to try water for the purpose of decarbonising, he might have a few tips.
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