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Hello All!

I'm new on here so thought I'd say hi!

Currently own a Corrado VR6 and I'm in the market for a nice 944 Turbo (or 968 Sport.)

I've been doing my research so been lurking on a forum a while now.

I've actually seen one car up for sale which appeals: http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/944/porsche-944-turbo-se-1990-bridge-spoiler/2635546?isexperiment=true

It looks to have had the money spent in the right places and my only concern is the front ride height but it looks like it'll be a simple raise and a geo, simple enough. What's everyones thoughts?

Rich
 
It does look okay, although I'm not a huge fan of Spax dampers myself (and they will have replaced the adjustable M030 kit that used to be on there).

This one has been for sale for quite some time, too, which can means it's not as nice as presented....or maybe it's a white thing? They're rare in white and gents of a certain age (me included) don't really go for white?

Has to be worth a look if not too far.

Good luck,
Russ
 
Russ, while I agree with a lot of your comments, I have to say the car reads to me like a nice one, an average 944t is only 3/10 these days. I would give that white car 8/10 subject to viewing.

Many of the frustrating things (like the wiper linkage) have been attended to.

Been for sale for a while.....maybe, but so were the GT2 and 964RS I have owned, and the experts who criticised them all seem to have disappeared.

I like the car, white? fine for me, and is good when the air-con is weak [:)]

George
944t
 
So many of the cars advertised have poor write ups. You may have to dig below the surface and ask the right questions.

Another with a poor ad is the turbo on Pistonheads at £6595 in Lincs. Nice looking 1989 turbo spec.

Don't rule out a 968 - excellent cars.
 
If the rust has been dealt with correctly, ie. cut out and new metal welded in then it could be a good one, certainly worth a look. Have a good test drive and if the power seems ok and no smoke could be worth a punt. Personally I like white. The value of these is only going one way.
 
The value of these is only going one way.
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thats for Certain


and as Simkin says, the private adverts for the Genuine / Original cars are not well written and do not do the cars justice. The dregs of a Buyers market.....

There was a recent 3.2 Carrera sold for low 20's privately and resold in weeks by a trader for mid 30's........thats happens when the genuine cars migrate to a place where their attributes / qualities are marketed properly.




 
I like the look of this one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331272333715?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT. seems pretty straight
 

ORIGINAL: colin944

I like the look of this one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331272333715?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT. seems pretty straight
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nice - apart from the wheels, and they are easy to change
 

ORIGINAL: edh


ORIGINAL: colin944

I like the look of this one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331272333715?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT. seems pretty straight
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nice - apart from the wheels, and they are easy to change
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I like this as well [:)]
 
Thanks for all your comments guys.

I have probed the owner of the white one I originally posted.

The sills, wings, rear valance and bottom of the doors were replaced/repaired of rust. The sides and rear was sprayed. The front wasn't and has 'plenty' of stone chips. - Seems bizarre to go to all that trouble then not do the front whilst you're at it?

The belts were done back in 2010 so will need doing again if my research is right.
The Spax suspension is coil-overs front and shocks rear - I'm unfamiliar with the 944 suspension set up, is this the norm? I would have thought coil-overs all around?
It appears its had a lot of money thrown at it 4 years ago and not much since.

Although it looks like it's had money spent in the right places I'm still uncertain if it's the one for me. It might be worth a look but he has said there is a viewing this weekend, so I'll see how that goes first.


As for the maroon one posted, I'm a little sceptical about this one and I don't know why. The wheels and front spoiler aren't to my taste and although they can be easily changed the colour and paintwork (looks a little flat to me?) are putting me off. Plus Belfast is a long way to go when you're uncertain.

I don't know if I'm being too picky? I'm just thinking 'Porsche' and expecting a lot.

The search continues!!
 
Cross forum conversation alert!

The Spax coilover can be bought as full coilovers all round, or just front coilies and rear dampers. Changing the rears to coilovers involves re indexing the torsion bars as the additional spring acts as a helper which would otherwise raise the ride height. This is the proper way to do it for serious driving as they're very soft all round out of the box (certainly my m474 car is, not so sure about a m030 equipped car though...). But on a road car there isn't necessarily anything wrong with the setup the white one has as it's just replaced stock tired koni dampers and front coilovers for new Spax items.

Personally I'm not convinced by Spax as I fitted a brand new set of coilovers to my Corrado VR6 and I could never set them how I wanted them to achieve an acceptable ride; they were very fidgety which suggested they had far too much low-speed compression damping which can't be dialled out as only the rebound is adjustable. They do change from car to car though depending on the amount of development that has gone into the damping rates... Some people say very good things about them on front runners...

Rich
 
The white would have had the MO30 adjustable suspension by Koni - not coil-over by Spax. But just because it's not standard doesn't mean it's not good, as long as it was properly fitted and set-up.

Neither car ring true to me. The white ones been up for a good while and is well priced, so if it was "good to go" it would have gone. And maroon car is a strange colour with wrong bits and a suspiciously low mileage. Good low mileage turbos and being sold by dealers for mid-teens, so it's likely one of them would have bought this for re-sale with a healthy mark-up if it was genuinely excellent with that mileage.

But no harm in looking at any car that is at all local to you. It'll act as good research/experience if nothing else.
 
There is a nice looking 220bhp turbo with Fuchs in the members for sale on this site

http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=833916

... plus a few others on Pistonheads.
 
ORIGINAL: Richair

Cross forum conversation alert!

The Spax coilover can be bought as full coilovers all round, or just front coilies and rear dampers. Changing the rears to coilovers involves re indexing the torsion bars as the additional spring acts as a helper which would otherwise raise the ride height. This is the proper way to do it for serious driving as they're very soft all round out of the box (certainly my m474 car is, not so sure about a m030 equipped car though...). But on a road car there isn't necessarily anything wrong with the setup the white one has as it's just replaced stock tired koni dampers and front coilovers for new Spax items.

Personally I'm not convinced by Spax as I fitted a brand new set of coilovers to my Corrado VR6 and I could never set them how I wanted them to achieve an acceptable ride; they were very fidgety which suggested they had far too much low-speed compression damping which can't be dialled out as only the rebound is adjustable. They do change from car to car though depending on the amount of development that has gone into the damping rates... Some people say very good things about them on front runners...

Rich
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Yep! Thought I'd ask around on different resources although this forum appears to be more active. [:)]

So with the rear damper only, can you still re-index the rear to adjust the ride height or would I need the rear coilovers for that??

I've had Spax RSX on a Golf VR6 and to be honest they felt wonderful, although one prematurely failed not long after warranty ran out.

ORIGINAL: Ewan

The white would have had the MO30 adjustable suspension by Koni - not coil-over by Spax. But just because it's not standard doesn't mean it's not good, as long as it was properly fitted and set-up.

Neither car ring true to me. The white ones been up for a good while and is well priced, so if it was "good to go" it would have gone. And maroon car is a strange colour with wrong bits and a suspiciously low mileage. Good low mileage turbos and being sold by dealers for mid-teens, so it's likely one of them would have bought this for re-sale with a healthy mark-up if it was genuinely excellent with that mileage.

But no harm in looking at any car that is at all local to you. It'll act as good research/experience if nothing else.
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Do all late cars have M030 then? I thought it was still an option? I'm getting confused by all the model changes.

Yeah, my thoughts exactly I'm sceptical about both. When aftermarket parts or upgrades are fitted I'd want to know they have been done right so I'd probably go over them all again just to make sure and spend loads of money double checking. I'd rather pay a little more for a looked after original one so I can do things right myself first time around. The maroon low mileage car looks suspect to be honest, too many subtle changes and a suspect respray on a low mileage car.


ORIGINAL: simkin911

There is a nice looking 220bhp turbo with Fuchs in the members for sale on this site

http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=833916

... plus a few others on Pistonheads.
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I have seen this car but my biggest put off is that the owner bought it for a track day car, piled loads of money into it only to sell on straight away. Just rings alarm bells although there could be genuine reasons. But the the interior! [:'(]
 
The Maroon car has nothing in the advert to verify the mileage. If it was my ad I'd be mentioning past MOT's and service history that can verify the mileage. To my mind 18" wheels are not right on a 944 although they can be removed and sold. My car had the 18" sport classics and they where the first thing I changed, I even got lucky and got £650 for them which funded the replacements.

I agree with Steve and think the gold one in Cornwall would be worth investigating further at that price, although it appears to have no power steering fitted in the pictures.
 
I'm in Belfast later this month visiting the in-laws.... if that turbo is unsold (and I have the personal motivation to do so) then I may go and see it.

M030 suspension on the later cars was not standard -ie it was an extra spec. I've owned 2 late turbos that were not spec'd with M030 - however, they did have all the other goodies associated with the 250bhp cars. However, my own view, it that any car sporting the original M030 will probably be toast now anyway from 25 years. Remove and replace with something like KW, Gaz etc and throw the M030 stuff on Ebay and get £500 back for it (despite the fact it needs refurbed). Or have the M030 kit refurbed.

Simon (944 man) made a point the other day about the 1989 factory spec being the best (or something like that) - I'd be inclined to agree based on my own experience.
 
Poor ad but this one has potential..

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/944/944-turbo-s2-1989-94-000-miles-immaculate-condition/248154
 
Just don't go near the red one on eBay in Gateshead that ends tomorrow evening.

I'd be most upset if the winner of the auction actually bought the car, no service history for the last 6 years and the sills are one hard winter away from being colanders.
 

ORIGINAL: Eldavo

Just don't go near the red one on eBay in Gateshead that ends tomorrow evening.

I'd be most upset if the winner of the auction actually bought the car, no service history for the last 6 years and the sills are one hard winter away from being colanders.
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I take it you've had a look and it's not exactly described accurately?
 
A friend of mine went to look at it and gave it a thorough once-over.

To be fair to the seller, I don't think he's hiding anything he just didn't know what to look for.
 
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