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pauljmcnulty
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John, we were only hanging back because we were worried you were going to roll over. It was like following Beaky before you sorted the suspension. [
]Because he doesn't want to have to change his wardrobe to Pringle jumpers and tartan trousers. [8|]
Suffolk944
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It happens alot you'll find - something about being Communications Director does that to a man ! [
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Suffolk944
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The problem with many modern cars is that while often hugely capable they are also highly sterile either through their crushing competance or the fact that you are driving via a huge bank of computing power that removes the driver at least one step from the driving experience. Most are pretty fugley too !
I enjoy the greater feedback of an older car and the feeling of being in control with the Mark 1 brain plus your right foot and seat of your pants rather than flying by wire which is teh modern way of doing things.
I enjoy the greater feedback of an older car and the feeling of being in control with the Mark 1 brain plus your right foot and seat of your pants rather than flying by wire which is teh modern way of doing things.
Neil Haughey
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I know what you mean, my p38 Range Rover has more steering feel than most modern hatchbacks. When you think about it that is really quite perverse. It also has a smoother ride than just about every modern car too.
vitesse
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Jon,
I can't agree with all that-I have the greatest of fun driving the 530D Touring-nearly 2 tonnes of it laden-with the DSC fully turned off(hold in the button for 16 secs)-the engine remaps again-so now no electronic wizardry-250 bhp under my right foot-left foot braking to keep the turbo spooled up & the box in steptronic phase-probabl;y as much fun as the beautifully balanced 924S's which other drivers expect to go quickly-mind you the BMW is 10 yrs old now.
I can't agree with all that-I have the greatest of fun driving the 530D Touring-nearly 2 tonnes of it laden-with the DSC fully turned off(hold in the button for 16 secs)-the engine remaps again-so now no electronic wizardry-250 bhp under my right foot-left foot braking to keep the turbo spooled up & the box in steptronic phase-probabl;y as much fun as the beautifully balanced 924S's which other drivers expect to go quickly-mind you the BMW is 10 yrs old now.
ORIGINAL: pauljmcnulty
.....we were only hanging back because we were worried you were going to roll over. It was like following Beaky before you sorted the suspension. [
That is what is known as compliance; it helps to absorb all those nasty ruts bumps and potholes and keep all four wheels in contact with the tarmac. Nice hard suspension might look good, and work well on a track, but it isn't much fun on country lanes.
I do, none the less, agree with John that modern cars can lack engagement. On the other hand I may well be getting old as, given the choice between engagement and comfort/economy/visibility/safety/anonymity/practicality/convenience/security and the ability to drive straight across a field if I want to (and get from A to B as quickly 9/10 times) I have seemed to favour the latter. Does this make me a bad person? (I'd better not mention that as of 12:00am today Beaky is SORN [
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MarkK
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Performance bargain at the minute....and nice ones should hold their value and in a few years go up??? for 2k a nice pug 205 gti, nothing and I mean nothing will make you wet your pants more on a country lane and make you feel 17 again,I bought one a couple of years back because I missed the whole gti thing and I always drooled after one and I can't bring myself to sell it even though I probably should do if I think about it, on the twistys not a lot will keep up either....
On the subject of XJS someone told me some long term speculators are stockpiling good ones in warehouses as they are predicted to go up in value as they become increasingly rare,one of the people doing this has a proven track record in predicting this kind of thing aswell....agree????Disagree?????
On the subject of XJS someone told me some long term speculators are stockpiling good ones in warehouses as they are predicted to go up in value as they become increasingly rare,one of the people doing this has a proven track record in predicting this kind of thing aswell....agree????Disagree?????
pauljmcnulty
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Funnily enough, that's exactly why I own a 944. [&:]
I don't want a car that's totally unsuited for road use, as I drive on the road. I can't drive like Shumacher or Rohl, so I am safer with less than millions of horsepowers. I am in my '40s and have arthritis and some dental work that mean stupidly stiff suspension is a non-starter: my neighbour's RS4 sounds lovely but it's bone-shakingly uncomfortable to ride in.
Apart from the 4WD thing, a half-decent 944 that's not been modified to be a track-focussed car fits every other one of your criteria nicely, and for next to no money. The £3.5K Jag wasn't a £3.5K Jag when you bought it......
Beaky is not an everyday car. It makes good sense to sorn it, but remember to get it out of the garage next year and track it. If that's not going to happen, sell it and buy a cheap Lux to thrash around in. It keeps you young, you know. [
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Suffolk944
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Hmm this is just down the road from me...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201040369806148/sort/priceasc/usedcars/price-to/3000/model/xjs/make/jaguar/radius/1500/page/2/postcode/ip30ra/quicksearch/true?logcode=p
Always wanted a facelifted XJS and that one looks lovely and a ridiculoous bargain.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201040369806148/sort/priceasc/usedcars/price-to/3000/model/xjs/make/jaguar/radius/1500/page/2/postcode/ip30ra/quicksearch/true?logcode=p
Always wanted a facelifted XJS and that one looks lovely and a ridiculoous bargain.
pauljmcnulty
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And we say 944s are under valued! That's a lot of car for under £3K if you own a petrol station and have an auto-electrician in the family. [8|]
One of the most beautiful cars ever designed IMO, along with almost every Jag pre '80s. Where did they go so wrong, particularly the new one that looks like a Citroen C6 with some wire netting on the front. [:'(]
Suffolk944
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The good thing about XJS's is that they were stedily improved - and greatly improved once Ford took over - and such is that example...am sorely tempted.
pauljmcnulty
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I would. Although I prefer the look of the really early ones, poor panel fit and all, the late cars are way better built. Do they rust badly? The early cars certainly did, but that one looks fine from the pics.
My ideal Jag would be a car from the guys (can't remember the name) who, at the time, were putting the XJS running gear in to a fully restored E-Type shell. And a Lynx Eventer for the dogs. [8D]
Hilux
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If its a simple fun thing for not much money......................70`s and 80`s
Mk 2 Golf - They can be thrashed within an inch of their lives and with a little investment are stunningly quick and good on track - loads of advice and parts available and uses retrospective bits like Audi 1.8T and VW 5 cylinder engines for peanuts also loads of performance bits - I know of some 300 - 400bhp monsters - awesome.
Mk 1 Golf - With a little investment you need supercar to get near them as they weigh nothing and are even better on track than a Mk2 but getting them quick is a bit harder than a Mk 2 withe retrospective VW engineering (but the looks and interest you get wherever you go are amazing) - loads of advice and parts getting a bit short now but loads of performance bits available
Clio - one of the best track day cars out there - get a fast one and simply try and break it - superlative cars [8D]
Pug 205 with Mi16 engine - awesome little cars - smiles per mile and lots of cheap bits incl performance bits []
Pug 305 Gti - one of the most underated cars - handles almost better than a 205 when set up properly
Old scooby - but I couldnt - I just couldnt []
Audi A3 4x4 - theres some great oners around for little money - lots of engine options but more money to go faster
Supercharged MX5 (Miata) - do a search - Fen had one - scared him to death - v v fast
All of the above are cheap to buy and amazingly cheap to run
Mk 2 Golf - They can be thrashed within an inch of their lives and with a little investment are stunningly quick and good on track - loads of advice and parts available and uses retrospective bits like Audi 1.8T and VW 5 cylinder engines for peanuts also loads of performance bits - I know of some 300 - 400bhp monsters - awesome.
Mk 1 Golf - With a little investment you need supercar to get near them as they weigh nothing and are even better on track than a Mk2 but getting them quick is a bit harder than a Mk 2 withe retrospective VW engineering (but the looks and interest you get wherever you go are amazing) - loads of advice and parts getting a bit short now but loads of performance bits available
Clio - one of the best track day cars out there - get a fast one and simply try and break it - superlative cars [8D]
Pug 205 with Mi16 engine - awesome little cars - smiles per mile and lots of cheap bits incl performance bits [
]Pug 305 Gti - one of the most underated cars - handles almost better than a 205 when set up properly
Old scooby - but I couldnt - I just couldnt [
]Audi A3 4x4 - theres some great oners around for little money - lots of engine options but more money to go faster
Supercharged MX5 (Miata) - do a search - Fen had one - scared him to death - v v fast
All of the above are cheap to buy and amazingly cheap to run
Two great cars, but getting really quite pricey now. I had two Mk1 GTi's and a Mk2, and made a profit on two of them in the late 90's - early 00's as prices were going up so quickly. (The Mk2 I doubled my money on after doing 30,000 miles in it!)
Try buying a Mk1 you'd trust to start 90% of the time, or a Mk2 you'd want to be seen in for less than £4000 and £2000 respectively and you're doing well. Those smoky old jags look like a bargain by comparison.
Oli.
Suffolk944
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The laters ones are certainly much better body wise as well as under the skin - have also seen a very late 6.0 example for just £3500 but dont like the big bumpers as much.
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