Porsche Jealousy.........Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Having a Porsche evokes various emotions in the owner and often different ones for the great general public.
I agonised in 1984 over whether I should buy my first Porsche as I was and still am a GP in a not very affluent area. Over the years as I have prospered my Porches have changed and got newer and now I am in the fortunate position to afford new cars. I have never had any adverse comments from my patients (my car is parked on the forecourt of the surgery) , never had vandalism in my practice area and when I dont use that car many patients seem genuinely concerned that I might have sold my Porsche.
On the other hand when driving there are a group of people who resent ones honest achievements and do become provactive on the road. Driving lesser cars makes one "invisible" on the road. One opf my son's recently bought a second hand boxster and has had a few unpleasant incidents with yobish behaviour and he is quite mildly mannered and a good driver.
I do not think that anybody should put up with bullys of any kind and especially as the identity of them is known. Too often they cannot be traced. If the Police wont prosecute go for a Small Claims Court hearing to recover at least your expenses and the cost of professionally cleaning your car.
I agonised in 1984 over whether I should buy my first Porsche as I was and still am a GP in a not very affluent area. Over the years as I have prospered my Porches have changed and got newer and now I am in the fortunate position to afford new cars. I have never had any adverse comments from my patients (my car is parked on the forecourt of the surgery) , never had vandalism in my practice area and when I dont use that car many patients seem genuinely concerned that I might have sold my Porsche.
On the other hand when driving there are a group of people who resent ones honest achievements and do become provactive on the road. Driving lesser cars makes one "invisible" on the road. One opf my son's recently bought a second hand boxster and has had a few unpleasant incidents with yobish behaviour and he is quite mildly mannered and a good driver.
I do not think that anybody should put up with bullys of any kind and especially as the identity of them is known. Too often they cannot be traced. If the Police wont prosecute go for a Small Claims Court hearing to recover at least your expenses and the cost of professionally cleaning your car.
Malcolm Gladwell's book 'The Tipping Point' tells a story about the New York City subway and that by tackling 'small crime' it has a bigger overall effect on more serious crimes. I sometimes wish our police chiefs would explore such examples as an answer to the social problems our country faces - every crime matters from the seemingly minor to the major crimes... a short summary follows (and there endeth today's lesson)...
The Broken Windows Theory that Gladwell explains applies to patterns and waves of crime. It is based on the notion that if people see broken windows that are untended to, then they will assume it is acceptable to break more windows. This example may have more a conscious component but the principle can be applied to other situations as well. The example Gladwell uses to demonstrate this principle is the crime epidemic that occurred in New York City in the 1980s. Subway systems were plagued by petty crime which could be explained by the Broken Windows theory. The subways were also covered in graffiti which is analogous to a broken window as explained before. The graffiti served as a visual symbol of the presence of crime in subways. When people enter an environment marked with crime they are more inclined to commit it themselves. This became evident when a clean up program implemented by the city sought to eliminate graffiti from the subways. After achieving this goal the crime rate began to fall, indicating that the environmental variables were playing an important role in controlling the crime rate. It is very likely that individuals are unaware of the environmental factors influencing their behavior. People planning to commit crimes on the subway were probably not looking for graffiti before the act but its presence may have contributed to their desire to do so. Sensory inputs generated from a person's external environment are processed subconsciously in the brain and affect social behavior of individuals who are unaware of the process. As demonstrated in this example, some inputs can be very small but when they enter the brain can generate significant behavioral responses.
The Broken Windows Theory that Gladwell explains applies to patterns and waves of crime. It is based on the notion that if people see broken windows that are untended to, then they will assume it is acceptable to break more windows. This example may have more a conscious component but the principle can be applied to other situations as well. The example Gladwell uses to demonstrate this principle is the crime epidemic that occurred in New York City in the 1980s. Subway systems were plagued by petty crime which could be explained by the Broken Windows theory. The subways were also covered in graffiti which is analogous to a broken window as explained before. The graffiti served as a visual symbol of the presence of crime in subways. When people enter an environment marked with crime they are more inclined to commit it themselves. This became evident when a clean up program implemented by the city sought to eliminate graffiti from the subways. After achieving this goal the crime rate began to fall, indicating that the environmental variables were playing an important role in controlling the crime rate. It is very likely that individuals are unaware of the environmental factors influencing their behavior. People planning to commit crimes on the subway were probably not looking for graffiti before the act but its presence may have contributed to their desire to do so. Sensory inputs generated from a person's external environment are processed subconsciously in the brain and affect social behavior of individuals who are unaware of the process. As demonstrated in this example, some inputs can be very small but when they enter the brain can generate significant behavioral responses.
Julian's advice above is correct. It is my firm view that you have been the victim of criminal damage. What the officers have told you regarding this is wrong in law. Trust us, we're criminal lawyers (puts flak jacket on and ducks for cover...)
Rob - you are the man!!! Go for it Veronica - nail 'em !!!
944s2
Active member
Cant believe plolice attitude!
Lift your phone for a second while at traffic lights £60 & 3 points
Eat something or take some fluids while driving potentially Ditto
Through something into a car thus potentally causing driver to loose control and possibly cause accident no action works - fail me assault charges come to mind
As someone earlier mention do that to the next police car you see and watch what happens!
Letter to Newspapers, Chief constable, MP and anyone else you can think of and the small claim court should be pursued
Lift your phone for a second while at traffic lights £60 & 3 points
Eat something or take some fluids while driving potentially Ditto
Through something into a car thus potentally causing driver to loose control and possibly cause accident no action works - fail me assault charges come to mind
As someone earlier mention do that to the next police car you see and watch what happens!
Letter to Newspapers, Chief constable, MP and anyone else you can think of and the small claim court should be pursued
Trevor Barnard
New member
Unfortunately this sort of thing is all too common. When my car was hit in a car park recently and I asked if anyone witnessed it the majorities attitude was "you can afford a porsche so you can afford the repair". If I could have found the culprit then I'd have been straight an to the online small claims court for recompense.
edelschmetterling
New member
I am genuinely sorry to hear of your recent experience. Having read the comments left on this tread I would have to agree with not giving up and settling this matter entirely to the end. Thugs, low life individuals with no regard or consideration for human life should be punished & severely reprimanded.
Once they get away with this, at what point will the law then decide an act of deliberate vandalism, mocking, social bullying - call it what you will "" is unacceptable. What is the fine for dropping litter? The law needs to readdress what is criminal and socially acceptable. This is an example of how the appalling law in this country protects scum & is in short inexcusable to say the least.
Once they get away with this, at what point will the law then decide an act of deliberate vandalism, mocking, social bullying - call it what you will "" is unacceptable. What is the fine for dropping litter? The law needs to readdress what is criminal and socially acceptable. This is an example of how the appalling law in this country protects scum & is in short inexcusable to say the least.
juliany27
New member
I have to advise that in my extensive professional opinion, that IS criminal damage and that the police should investigate the offence properly. After all, it they can spend time and energy chasing drivers who exceed the speed limit on a dark nighat 3.00 a.m. with no-one else on the road, they can spend some time doing their jobs which include investigating an allegation of crime.
And just think. If the perpetrators think that they can get away with this sort of anti-social behaviour, what would happen if an accident is caused if their actions are repeated and they went to Court and said, "I thought it was alright because the police did not seem at all concerned the last time I did this"?
Mrkjblue
New member
Terrible story on all levels, I think its obvious that the lack of police action is exactly why this type of thing happens, but at least as this type of thing is not illegal in any way you can pop round to thier firms premises with a muckspreader.
I do remember when many years ago someone (a passenger) droped a McDs milkshake in my Austin Metro and when warm the smell of old milk was ever present, so I would recommend a pro clean.
But in around ten years of Porsche motoring I cant remember any bad feelings from others no matter what age of car I have been in.
Happy belated bday and I hope this unpleasent business ends well for you.
I do remember when many years ago someone (a passenger) droped a McDs milkshake in my Austin Metro and when warm the smell of old milk was ever present, so I would recommend a pro clean.
But in around ten years of Porsche motoring I cant remember any bad feelings from others no matter what age of car I have been in.
Happy belated bday and I hope this unpleasent business ends well for you.
Vron,
there is a lot of sound advice being given and I think you are going to have to be prepared to put in some effort to pursue the matter...hopefully you will receive a more cooperative attitude from the Police, and perhaps even from the perpetrators' employers, but you won't know until you start the journey.
Be prepared for a slog, but unfortunately you have a duty to all fellow Porsche drivers to ensure justice is done, as well doing your bit to ensure the toerags don't try the same trick (or worse) again.
However, it's a sweet feeling when justice is finally served - I speak from personal experience...it took some months before I got paid (when someone smashed off my wing mirror, as referred to previously), but I 'd definitely do it again, with less hesitation! I do hope that the defendant is now a much considerate driver (/human being).
Neil.
there is a lot of sound advice being given and I think you are going to have to be prepared to put in some effort to pursue the matter...hopefully you will receive a more cooperative attitude from the Police, and perhaps even from the perpetrators' employers, but you won't know until you start the journey.
Be prepared for a slog, but unfortunately you have a duty to all fellow Porsche drivers to ensure justice is done, as well doing your bit to ensure the toerags don't try the same trick (or worse) again.
However, it's a sweet feeling when justice is finally served - I speak from personal experience...it took some months before I got paid (when someone smashed off my wing mirror, as referred to previously), but I 'd definitely do it again, with less hesitation! I do hope that the defendant is now a much considerate driver (/human being).
Neil.
C4S al
New member
Hi Vron,
Sorry to hear of your incident. I would not let this go and pursue in a Civil Court. In my opinion there is assault of some descriptin here.
I am tempted to throw a milkshake over a police officer to see what the outcome would be[
] .
Clearly there is the matter of costs to clean the vehicle and your clothing, the police have to act on this matter. They have the registration number to trace back to the Firm as you have stated.. The Firm would keep records as to who had the van so they will know who the individuals are and you and your witness can confirm from an identity parade. Job done. This ,one would hope, will give them a shock and hopefully they will think twice about such antics. Any member of my staff doing such a thing would definately get a serious reprimand and a big blemish on their work record.
Sorry state of affairs this Country with all the anti-social behaviour, knife crime, gun crime, arson and general standards of decadence.
Hope you get some resolution.
Regards Alan.
Sorry to hear of your incident. I would not let this go and pursue in a Civil Court. In my opinion there is assault of some descriptin here.
I am tempted to throw a milkshake over a police officer to see what the outcome would be[
] .Clearly there is the matter of costs to clean the vehicle and your clothing, the police have to act on this matter. They have the registration number to trace back to the Firm as you have stated.. The Firm would keep records as to who had the van so they will know who the individuals are and you and your witness can confirm from an identity parade. Job done. This ,one would hope, will give them a shock and hopefully they will think twice about such antics. Any member of my staff doing such a thing would definately get a serious reprimand and a big blemish on their work record.
Sorry state of affairs this Country with all the anti-social behaviour, knife crime, gun crime, arson and general standards of decadence.
Hope you get some resolution.
Regards Alan.
Guest
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Hi Vron,
sorry to hear about this, i have experienced my 911 being spat at by a van driver and another whom wanted to crawl through his window and beat me up!?!?
It is a sad and jealous world we live in. I was able to clean the spit from the car so not a big deal just stupid.
Is it a medium/large company??
If so as a company director myself i have access to a service which gives me the home address of the directors of the company.
I pay an annual fee for this so can do the check for you for free.
Whenever i have a serious issue i write a letter to all the directors home addresses and have always had a good response in that they have resolved the matter
to my satisfaction. They are usually shocked to get a letter at home, but then are obliged to do something about it, after all surely this is illegal, i am surprised at the police
response but again it is easier for them to do nothing. This could have caused a serious accident, i'm sure this event caused you a shock and was very distressing, it must have
taken a while for you to calm down after such a shock. Without doubt they should pay for the cleaning of the car and for the expensive top you were wearing at the time.
If it is not such a big company but you still wish to write to them you may want to use a friends/work address to write from in case the letter is passed down and these muppets
whom should be sacked as this is gross misconduct, pay your car a visit at night.
if you want the details of the directors send the full name of the company.
Good luck
sorry to hear about this, i have experienced my 911 being spat at by a van driver and another whom wanted to crawl through his window and beat me up!?!?
It is a sad and jealous world we live in. I was able to clean the spit from the car so not a big deal just stupid.
Is it a medium/large company??
If so as a company director myself i have access to a service which gives me the home address of the directors of the company.
I pay an annual fee for this so can do the check for you for free.
Whenever i have a serious issue i write a letter to all the directors home addresses and have always had a good response in that they have resolved the matter
to my satisfaction. They are usually shocked to get a letter at home, but then are obliged to do something about it, after all surely this is illegal, i am surprised at the police
response but again it is easier for them to do nothing. This could have caused a serious accident, i'm sure this event caused you a shock and was very distressing, it must have
taken a while for you to calm down after such a shock. Without doubt they should pay for the cleaning of the car and for the expensive top you were wearing at the time.
If it is not such a big company but you still wish to write to them you may want to use a friends/work address to write from in case the letter is passed down and these muppets
whom should be sacked as this is gross misconduct, pay your car a visit at night.
if you want the details of the directors send the full name of the company.
Good luck
ubertub
New member
you could accidentally drop the company name on a few forums and they could accidentally have a few McD's shakes thrown a their premises... no risk to anyone if it's not an offence?!
I've not ever had any abuse for driving a Porsche other than a few snide comments from previous work colleagues... but then again I am a 16 stone skinhead. I know I'm a bit uncooth but I would expose the company for this cowardly crime by every means possible if I didn't see some results very soon.
Hope you can put this behind you soon.
mik.
I've not ever had any abuse for driving a Porsche other than a few snide comments from previous work colleagues... but then again I am a 16 stone skinhead. I know I'm a bit uncooth but I would expose the company for this cowardly crime by every means possible if I didn't see some results very soon.
Hope you can put this behind you soon.
mik.
Hi Vron,
I'm sorry to hear about this for more than one reason. Firstly I drive a 911 and do experience resentment towards it and secondly because I am a police officer, put the two together and you will work out why, I've got nothing better to spend my back handers on!
If specialist cleaning is required it is criminal damage. If your top is ruined it is criminal damage. If you were in moving traffic endangering other road users under Sec 22 RTA could be considered. The offence was in public so Sec 5 of the public order act can be considered. All have a power of arrest. The offender COULD be arrested for common assault but a prosecution would be unlikely for this offence in my opinion.
My advice is to pursue the officer or his immediate supervisor to get action. It will be lost in translation if you start writing letters of complaint and barriers will go up with the officer if you start threatening to complain, its never bothered me a dot. I would not bother with small claims, the burden of evidence with lack of interview may end up failing you leaving you with more expence. The officer needs to look at this again. I agree with the views expressed in tackling minor crime in the bigger picture. Remember the officer maybe very over worked and desensatized to the impact and the annoyance this has caused. In his/her world this is a minor incident with no serious outcome and they may have bigger fish to fry with limited time and resources. I am in no way making excuses because this needs following up. The officer may have insight into the company not complying, the driver going no comment on the ID of the passenger and it going no where- I have a similar problem re a dangerous drive offence currently with a company being obstructive-not a reputable firm and you maybe faced with the same. I would suggest this is very likely as the employee did it in the first place.
Go back to the officer and reason with them. If it had been me I'd be locking the t**t up in the small hours to p*** him off when I could find the time but then you have my sympathy.....Persist with the officer, print this off and take it to them. The officer could also consider a Sec 59 warning re the driver so if a similar incident occurs the vehicle can be seized. Its all in translation and use of legislation, sometimes it needs twisting so the s88ts get whats due to them.
Devils advocate now. "The police" clearly seem to take the broad brunt of blame . I work hard to deliver but am tainted by bad service others have given. Good news is never remembered. There seems to be an abundance of advice from criminal solicitors stating what the police should and should'nt be doing. Its worth remembering it will be this profession (and their place in the criminal justice system is invaluable and neccesary, I'm certainly not anti solicitor) who advise your milkshake throwing friend to give no comment, hide behind ID issues, attempt to tie up the officer and CPS with a disproportionate of paperwork in order to get them to drop the case and doing so at the tax payers expense. In fairness most solicitors I know on the quiet like to see the wrong doers get what they deserve. I just find it ironic that they express such opinions about what the police should and shouldnt be doing when it is these people who make so much work for the police in doing what they prescribe to be right.......I will standby for the backlash
I hope it gets sorted for you Vron.
I'm sorry to hear about this for more than one reason. Firstly I drive a 911 and do experience resentment towards it and secondly because I am a police officer, put the two together and you will work out why, I've got nothing better to spend my back handers on!
If specialist cleaning is required it is criminal damage. If your top is ruined it is criminal damage. If you were in moving traffic endangering other road users under Sec 22 RTA could be considered. The offence was in public so Sec 5 of the public order act can be considered. All have a power of arrest. The offender COULD be arrested for common assault but a prosecution would be unlikely for this offence in my opinion.
My advice is to pursue the officer or his immediate supervisor to get action. It will be lost in translation if you start writing letters of complaint and barriers will go up with the officer if you start threatening to complain, its never bothered me a dot. I would not bother with small claims, the burden of evidence with lack of interview may end up failing you leaving you with more expence. The officer needs to look at this again. I agree with the views expressed in tackling minor crime in the bigger picture. Remember the officer maybe very over worked and desensatized to the impact and the annoyance this has caused. In his/her world this is a minor incident with no serious outcome and they may have bigger fish to fry with limited time and resources. I am in no way making excuses because this needs following up. The officer may have insight into the company not complying, the driver going no comment on the ID of the passenger and it going no where- I have a similar problem re a dangerous drive offence currently with a company being obstructive-not a reputable firm and you maybe faced with the same. I would suggest this is very likely as the employee did it in the first place.
Go back to the officer and reason with them. If it had been me I'd be locking the t**t up in the small hours to p*** him off when I could find the time but then you have my sympathy.....Persist with the officer, print this off and take it to them. The officer could also consider a Sec 59 warning re the driver so if a similar incident occurs the vehicle can be seized. Its all in translation and use of legislation, sometimes it needs twisting so the s88ts get whats due to them.
Devils advocate now. "The police" clearly seem to take the broad brunt of blame . I work hard to deliver but am tainted by bad service others have given. Good news is never remembered. There seems to be an abundance of advice from criminal solicitors stating what the police should and should'nt be doing. Its worth remembering it will be this profession (and their place in the criminal justice system is invaluable and neccesary, I'm certainly not anti solicitor) who advise your milkshake throwing friend to give no comment, hide behind ID issues, attempt to tie up the officer and CPS with a disproportionate of paperwork in order to get them to drop the case and doing so at the tax payers expense. In fairness most solicitors I know on the quiet like to see the wrong doers get what they deserve. I just find it ironic that they express such opinions about what the police should and shouldnt be doing when it is these people who make so much work for the police in doing what they prescribe to be right.......I will standby for the backlash
I hope it gets sorted for you Vron.
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