Porsche Jealousy.........Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[rob.kellock]

over to Julian, I'm not taking the bait.

then again... you agree with what we said regarding the offences committed (in fact, you go even further!) and it's not easy to get somebody prosecuted without police involvement so, yes, the police in this example have let Vron down. Pretty badly in my opinion.

 

[robbosliding]

Rob,

I am in no way defending the police action, just trying to give a real backdrop to the type of problem the officer might be facing however the lack of positive action needs addressing. My point is people are quick to jump on the police for lack of action (and I agree, I think it is justified in this case albeit I don't know the ins and outs of it, none of us do) but the people claiming the moral high ground here are those who make money out of defending the offender. They will no doubt say "Well if the police did their job properly"....... I'm preaching to the converted no doubt but I think I make my point.

 

[rob.kellock]

I think we're both singing from the same hymn sheet really. Your explanation is completely credible and very helpful. I don't think that Julian or I have sought to take the moral high ground, we have simply given our (expert []) legal opinion which you clearly agree with! As for making money out of defending the offender, I think that's a bit of a cheap shot; we make our money dealing with evidence, law and procedure, just like you!

Interestingly, we are currently dealing with a case where a serving police officer faces a very serious allegation and perhaps nobody would be surprised to learn how quickly he sought independent legal advice...

Anyway, I very much hope that Vron receives a positive outcome following a most unpleasant incident.

 

[zeb]

expert ! ?.........I've heard you called a lot of things rob.....but expert ....[][][][]

 

[vitesse]

ORIGINAL: zeb

expert ! ?.........I've heard you called a lot of things rob.....but expert ....[][][][]

Now THAT is what I would call a cheap shot!No wonder we had the Battle of the Roses.[]

 

[rob.kellock]

Zeb, I don't think you're allowed to swear on here are you? Bit of supoprt would be nice or I'll go and buy a 993 and tell you your car's rubbish!

 

[zeb]

ooh christ thats a bit severe mate...![] noooooooo not that old air cooled nonsense!!

I take it all back, rob is expert on many things..especially concours ! []



happy now you blood sucking vampire legal type..! ? [][]

 

[Alex Postan]

ORIGINAL: Mike IRL
I must admit I never came across a Porsche driver being an a**hole on the road so why the attitude?

Don't follow me then[]

 

[robbosliding]

Rob,
My intention isn't to have a pop at you or Julain whatsoever so please don't take it personally. It is a regular event for me to come onto the forum to read endless posts critisising the police(read back on this on for example!) Think how you feel in your perception of my comments. Its is a bit demoralising as a forum member to think this is the view of my fellow club members. I don't resent them for it, the service is far from perfect and bad news makes good reading so peoples views are influenced. I don't want to harp on about legal wranglings and the rights and wrongs but I have SO much time wasted by briefs getting their little darlings to go not guilty until the nenth hour causing me hours of extra work and wasting tax payers money and the only people to benefit are the briefs. Meanwhile the cry of "Where are the police?" pours out, I'll tell you where they are, they are tied to the desk doing full files!
I'm sure you can empathise with me really as I can you. I appreciate you have a duty of care to your client and I will be gracious enough to say if I fell upon stoney ground I would be seeking your services. I'm not taking a cheap shot, your profession is worthy and essential, I'm expressing my frustration at the ironey of the mad world in which we live. I would hasten to add if the milkshake had landed in my 911 I have probably been calling you........Sometimes violence has a place!

Any progress with the officer Vron?

 

[robbosliding]

Vron,
Regarding your address stick to pursuing the police then it will not become an issue. You can seek compensation by completion of an MG19 and the t*t who did this will get a conviction, they won't in a civil court.
Pursue the officer, if they are not forth coming speak to their skipper. Pity you don't live on my area, justice and retribution......

 

[rob.kellock]

Robbosliding, nothing taken personally I assure you. Had to smile in you raising the irony of those being paid to defend highlighting the offence committed, you're quite right.

Please don't get me wrong, I am not anti-police. I was arguing in relation to this particular matter, not in general terms and apologies if this didn't come over. I also agree with the point you raised in your first post regarding solicitors you know - in my experience and generally speaking, defence solicitors have more robust views regarding sentences than many others. You still have to go long and far to find a profession as disliked as mine though (other than amongst the criminal fraternity that is) !

Zeb, yeah, I'm happy now []

 

[Vron]

I have still not heard anything back from the Police. I was going to give it another few days then follow up.

 

[robbosliding]

Vron,
It might seem mind boggling but the officer has 6 months to deal with summonary offences-I would hope they will deal with it expediciously to preserve evidence and accounts etc. I wouldn't expect to hear anything in the immediate future if they don't seem to bothered and for this reason I would make contact. Have you and your witness ( who may well shrink away as time goes by ) been asked to provide a witness/complaint statement?
If not the officer has no credible evidence to put to the offender and its indicative that they don't intend to do a great deal. Get in touch and tell the officer you are available to make a complaint statement- and if you have made a written note of the vehicle details keep it safe- it may well become an exhibit.
Also ask for your crime number- if one hasn't been generated it means the officer hasn't reported the incident as a crime which should be done immediately and at the outside 72 hours by home office rules. Once "crimed" the officer has to come to some end state to get it off their workload. In the short term if its not been done tell the officer you are unhappy with their actions to date and ask them to update you with progress as it is made(should be done every 28 days anyway). It may well be the officer has every intent to do everything they can and they have been on nights/leave/courses etc so have a bit of understanding for them, they may have alot on!

Hope this helps, yours seething about the sheer thought of your experience,

Robbosliding

 

[Neil Haughey]

Take civil actions against the company which can start at letters, threats or legal action, naming and shaming in local paper. Ultimately if driving a works van and in uniform they are representing the company so it is the company that has thrown a milkshake at you and ruined your clothes. I would be very surprised if they avoid getting sacked, that alone would be worth more then any of the daft sentencing likely to happen as a result of a criminal conviction. My dad for example was punched in the face on a bus leaving him with a very bad black eye. We had several witnesses so it was an open and shut case, the guy had to pay his fine/compensation of at something pathetic like £1.50 per week. A good beating would have been much more satisfying and ppl wonder why no one has much respect for the law or Police these days.

 

[Andrew M Bonner]

[FONT=arial unicode ms"]I'm in danger of sounding very much like my 70 yr old father 30yrs early, but what on earth is the world coming too that you can't even take a drive without some 'retarded neanderthal' ruining your day,....and your shirt?

Rely on PC plod?....yes to pinch you doing 66.5 in a 60 limit !!
You have my utmost sympathy my friend.

 

[Peter_Bull]

ORIGINAL: Neil Haughey

................ I would be very surprised if they avoid getting sacked................

I agree with this too. Some weeks ago as I approached my place of work some idiot in skip wagon swerved across the road (coming from the opposite direction) so that he could get a good swing into our works car park. It caused me to put the anchors on to avoid hitting him. I followed him into the car park and he was so fast an erratic I just had to stare at him while he did a 3 point turn at breakneck speed. I couldn't believe that someone with such a massive and intimidating vehicle could act in such a dangerous way. As I parked up the 911 I could see that he had stopped (not yet collected his skip) he jumped out the cab and came across to me as I got out the car. I asked if he had a problem (he definitely has one) and he said that he didn't like the way I looked at him! That's a shame I said because I was not too happy the way he had been driving in a dangerous manner. He then said ..." Where I come from people who look at me like you did get smacked!" To which I replied "Where I come from people who threaten other like you have just done get reported to the Police and may even get sent down for it!" We had further words and I even offered him the chance to smooth thing over to which he declined. He turned on his heels and went back to his wagon dragging his knuckles with him.
Needless to say I reported the issue to the Police and they were round to see me within the hour - they were marvellous I must say. His employers were not too happy and he was sacked, together with a Police caution for threatening behaviour. The Police asked if I would like it to go to court ( I had witnesses) but in view of him being sacked I thought that was enough punishment!
To date - not scratches on the car!

 

[geoffpfc]

What is wrong! - Pete - the rot is as the top, meaning the government, I support the police at every attempt - 'though tis' difficult at times, however the last senior copper who seemed to try with a policy of zero tolerance was "encouraged to resign" (sacked) I think his name was Halliwell and he seemed to believe in the system adopted in New York where it appears to work, or it was the last time I was there.

It's really all our fault as we the voters put these self seeking do-gooders in office - " all it takes is for a few good men to do nothing"[X(]

When you have images of an 8 year old blatantly stealing and the authorites say that there is nothing they can do - then for sure "we are all headed for hell in a handcart"

 

[GT3★PJJ]

It really is unbelievable what people get away with today...

 

[lmurthwaite]

ORIGINAL: marlin

If some one throws a milk shake over a police officer what would be the out come?

I know the answer to this... They nick you and take you to the station and charge you with assault. How do I know? It happened to me when the police nicked my friend for stopping a bloke beating the s**t out of his girlfriend. When I went to try smooth things over 'because my friend was being nicked', a copper came at me with the intention to either nick me or rough me up, I threw my whole milk shake over him and was duely arrested.

Get the pricks that did it to your car, they could have caused a major accident. It is assault and driving with undue care and attention. The police are talking bollocks if they claim there is no case to answer.