respray=quick "blow over" or full "windows out " job?

[jasonp]

hiya all, have decided time as come to either have my baby blown over for £900, or full windows out job for £2,500 [this price is not including for any bodywork repair that might be needed although all appears to be well, as no mention of any probs from my local specialist or mot tester re cills etc,no advisorys whatsoever on recent mot], after spending a lot getting her in great shape mechanically and having laquer issues sorted on bonnet and back column also having her paint corrected/detailed, i feel the wings needing matching up to bonnet and roof laquer sorted, i have to decide which way to go,i think i will go for full windows out job as edd [copperman] recently had on his s2, any ideas and opinions much welcomed regards jason p

 

[tref]

I think I have only ever regretted what I didn't do, never what I did - i.e., on the 924T Cab, for the little extra work, I wish I had gone bare shell rather than rolling shell... Tatty edges around the rubbers, or worse, paint on the rubbers annoys the hell out of me - can you live with it?

 

[JM1962]

Jason

I'm having a respray at the moment and have done all the prep work myself to keep the cost down, being a lux I couldn't justify spending a fortune on a respray when the finished car is only worth 2K tops. My respray should come in around £500. The only glass to take out are the rear windows, the fronts just wind down out of the way, rear hatch is 4 bolts to remove plus struts and electrics. The front screen can be left in with just the seal removed. If you do the donkey work like removing the mirrors, door handles, trim pieces & bumpers etc you should be able to save a fair amount on the cost.

You mention peeling laquer, I was under the impression that there shouldn't be any on a guards red car, although I stand to be corrected.

 

[morris944s2john]

Yes, i agree- only need to remove the rear windows for a windows out re-spray, and yes, Guards red allways was a single colour stage two pack acrylic- no lacquer that is for metallics or modern (inferior) water based paints.

 

[Copperman05]

Jason,

Personnaly I would always go for the full windows out job as you may never be happy with the finish otherwise. I didnt have a windows out respray on my S2, it was just a front end repray following my repaired front wings and fixing the whole in the bonnet. £2500 seems cheap for a full respray to me, I would want to see examle of their work first.

Give Dave at Daytona Coachworks a call, his work is second to none.

Edd

 

[jasonp]

hiya trev, yes, i am in the same predictment, i know if i have a quick blow over job, i think i would end up wishing i would have the job done "correctly", so think i will go the extra and go for the full job, regards jason p

 

[peanut]

ORIGINAL: jasonp

hiya all, have decided time as come to either have my baby blown over for £900, or full windows out job for £2,500 [this price is not including for any bodywork repair that might be needed although all appears to be well, as no mention of any probs from my local specialist or mot tester re cills etc,no advisorys whatsoever on recent mot], after spending a lot getting her in great shape mechanically and having laquer issues sorted on bonnet and back column also having her paint corrected/detailed, i feel the wings needing matching up to bonnet and roof laquer sorted, i have to decide which way to go,i think i will go for full windows out job as edd [copperman] recently had on his s2, any ideas and opinions much welcomed regards jason p

modern paints are 1x pack Water- based paints with no laquer coat. They rarely use cellulose nowadays
I've just had my new bumper sprayed and I defy anybody to spot the difference between that and the 22 year old paint on the rest of the car.
Its a gorgeous lush metallic Dove Blue .

I'd just do a blow over and do the preparation around the screen, lights, etc and other edges myself. I'd offer to mask it up myself too so i had control over the quailty and also its the most labour intensive (costly) part of the prep really.

make sure you get several swatch test cards before they spray. Too late afterwards []

 

[944psi]

Hello All

My first post in a while .... I blame work for taking all of my time[]

I've got the S2 in at the moment for a good de-rusting session. This has turned into a full glass out respray job, back to bare metal on the front end and in other places - the screen had to come out anyway to deal with issues around the screen.

Doesn't the decision on what level to go to depend on how long you expect to keep the car for and it's intended use? If it was a keeper than I'd rather do it once and do it properly whereas if being outed soon or it's likely to see heavy track use then it'd be fine with a blow over wouldn't it?

Anyway, thought I'd share pics of my car in its current state --> see here <-- (and no, it is not in a scrap yard!!!)

Phil

 

[ukmastiff]

I enquired with Daytona because of their reputation. They quoted me a rough price of 4.000 to respray a 3,500 pound car and I have no doubt there work is worth the money I'm not knocking them. Of course they often respray a classic that ends up worth 50 or 100,000 when finished which is a very different sitution.

Now I know we can all love our 944's and they arent for profit blah blah blah , but back in the real world where most of us work hard for our money it is basically £4,000 down the swannie.

I can enjoy a 944 with a few imperfections as long as it polishes up nice. It is a 20 odd year old car after all []. I'm not in to concourse s as long as the car looks respectable and nice I'm happy with that.

( and have £4,000 to spend on another car [] )

Regards

Mas

 

[pauly]

ORIGINAL: ukmastiff

I enquired with Daytona because of their reputation. They quoted me a rough price of 4.000 to respray a 3,500 pound car and I have no doubt there work is worth the money I'm not knocking them. Of course they often respray a classic that ends up worth 50 or 100,000 when finished which is a very different sitution.

Now I know we can all love our 944's and they arent for profit blah blah blah , but back in the real world where most of us work hard for our money it is basically £4,000 down the swannie.

I can enjoy a 944 with a few imperfections as long as it polishes up nice. It is a 20 odd year old car after all []. I'm not in to concourse s as long as the car looks respectable and nice I'm happy with that.

( and have £4,000 to spend on another car [] )

Regards

Mas

I'd be interested to know what their hourly rate is, what prep they do and how many coats etc they are applying for 4k, sounds like a lot of dosh unless you were having sills etc.

 

[944 man]

It does, especially when a 'lad' usually does most of the stripping and the prep. Im shortly going to spend £600 having my 924S track car painted in the very, very whitest white; and I expect that to be free from any defects and finished correctly. Thisll include a fair degree of making good and a degree of GRP panel prep too, although these are race panels and Im not expecting a road finish on them.

 

[Copperman05]

Daytona Coachworks do not have a 'lad' to do the prep, but they do have Gordon, an experienced body worker who does 99% of the bodywork work at Daytona, whilst Dave does 99% of the painting, they are both very good at what they do.

£4000 is alot, but if you saw the amount of work that goes into a 'proper' respray then it makes more sense. You pays your money you takes your choice, of course you could get it done cheaper, but you ''may' get a lesser finish and less rust proving, inferior paint used, poor prep, more runs, adhesion issues and rubbish aftersales if it all goes wrong...

Edd

 

[peanut]

ORIGINAL: Copperman05



£4000 is alot, but if you saw the amount of work that goes into a 'proper' respray then it makes more sense.

Edd

sorry i don't see any sense at all in paying twice as much as the car is worth for a respray.?

You can't have a hard and fast rule for every car. Its important to weigh up each situation.

If a car needs a lot of mechanical work as well as bodywork and a respray there has to be some consideration as to whether its financially worth spending such a disproportionate amount on one part of a cars restoration.

 

[Copperman05]

I'm not saying you should spend £4000 on a car thats worth £2000 (The OP's car is worth much more than that) I'm arguing the point of having a respray done properly. If you think the car not worth it, dont spend your money on it, but a good respray is still going to cost you £££.

Edd

 

[peanut]

well if we were talking about a Jaguar E type worth £20k I'd agree with you but I doubt any 944 is worth spending £4000.00 on a respray .
I've only seen a handful of 944's with a resale value greater than £4000.00 in the past year or so.
I love my 944S2 don't get me wrong but if I had that kind of money to spend on a respray I'd be looking for something more rare and exotic []

 

[Copperman05]

Its a good point, but sometimes people spend money on their cars because they want to, regardless of value...[]

Edd

 

[pauljmcnulty]

well if we were talking about a Jaguar E type worth £20k I'd agree with you but I doubt any 944 is worth spending £4000.00 on a respray .
I've only seen a handful of 944's with a resale value greater than £4000.00 in the past year or so.
I love my 944S2 don't get me wrong but if I had that kind of money to spend on a respray I'd be looking for something more rare and exotic

It's an interesting point.

Personally, I'd rather have a 944 that I'd put £10K into than anything else I could buy for £10K. I'm not planning ever changing it, circumstances allowing, as I can't see what else I really want more. It's either old "classics", so read "rusty and broken down", or modern cars which have huge potential bills with all the electrical stuff alone.

£4K on a proper restoration, which isn't all that complicated on a 944 as they don't rot away like most cars, isn't that bad once every 20 years. I know plenty of people who blow that on depreciation every year on far less interesting machinery.

 

[jasonp]

thanks for replys all, i think realistically i could get away with having front wings,front spoiler and roof painted an that would be totally ok but thought why not have the rest painted? after reading the prev posts i think i will give daytona a call and have a chat with them, the thing is my s2 is a keeper and sometimes your heart rules your head, after looking at her again today i think a full respray would not really be needed at present and will go with the work stated above, thanks again all for response regards jason p

 

[peanut]

ORIGINAL: pauljmcnulty


It's an interesting point.

Personally, I'd rather have a 944 that I'd put £10K into than anything else I could buy for £10K. I'm not planning ever changing it, circumstances allowing, as I can't see what else I really want more. It's either old "classics", so read "rusty and broken down", or modern cars which have huge potential bills with all the electrical stuff alone.
I know plenty of people who blow that on depreciation every year on far less interesting machinery.

good point. £4000 depreciation a year would certainly make me gulp no matter how much money I had. You cannot change habits of a lifetime I guess.

I've had classic sports cars for 30+ years so I'm not likely to change that habit any time soon but I would like a Mkll Jag sometime if I get the chance. One of my childhood dream cars []

 

[pauljmcnulty]

I would like a Mkll Jag sometime if I get the chance. One of my childhood dream cars

Mine too. What would it cost to deal with the corrosion and re-paint an average example, though! []