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Selling my 944 Turbo - again!

JagdHamster

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Gents,
Due to a total chancer/time-waster from the trade messing me about, my 944 Turbo is back up for sale.

Advert here:

https://www.porscheclubgb.com/forum/tm.asp?m=883514

Russ

 
If it is, a trader will always HPI a car and thus I'm surprised he would string the vendor along. It's either on the register or it's not. I always HPI any car I am going to buy, even if it's just to ensure there's no finance outstanding.
 

ORIGINAL: mark piper

If it is, a trader will always HPI a car and thus I'm surprised he would string the vendor along. It's either on the register or it's not. I always HPI any car I am going to buy, even if it's just to ensure there's no finance outstanding.

Me too, even on a cheap car. I'm not saying this turbo has "history" someone introduced that on another thread, but if you check the HPI small print they are a database and only indemnify customers if they have been notified of a loss or debt which isn't always the case.
 
Need to hpi on chassis number. Most prestige cars have had as many plate changes as Amanda Holden has had Botox injections...
 
Not sure if it's still the case but lenders were under no obligation to register loans.
 
When I 'almost' bought this car several years ago it was recorded and had lost the LSD too. It sounds like it has very well looked after since if I was interested in it.
 
If a car has finance secured on it and you buy it not knowing or having been told that it has been settled then you obtain a good title to the car. It doesn't matter what impression HPI and their dishonest ads try to give.

People really should know better as this has been the case for OVER FIFTY YEARS!
 
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1964/53/contents

Hire Purchase Act 1964


27

Protection of purchasers of motor vehicles.
.

(1)

This section applies where a motor vehicle has been bailed or (in Scotland) hired under a hire-purchase agreement, or has been agreed to be sold under a conditional sale agreement, and, before the property in the vehicle has become vested in the debtor, he disposes of the vehicle to another person.
.

(2)

Where the disposition referred to in subsection (1) above is to a private purchaser, and he is a purchaser of the motor vehicle in good faith without notice of the hire-purchase or conditional sale agreement (the "relevant agreement") that disposition shall have effect as if the creditor's title to the vehicle has been vested in the debtor immediately before that disposition.
.

(3)

Where the person to whom the disposition referred to in subsection (1) above is made (the "original purchaser") is a trade or finance purchaser, then if the person who is the first private purchaser of the motor vehicle after that disposition (the "first private purchaser") is a purchaser of the vehicle in good faith without notice of the relevant agreement, the disposition of the vehicle to the first private purchaser shall have effect as if the title of the creditor to the vehicle had been vested in the debtor immediately before he disposed of it to the original purchaser.
.

(4)

Where, in a case within subsection (3) above"”
.

(a)

the disposition by which the first private purchaser becomes a purchaser of the motor vehicle in good faith without notice of the relevant agreement is itself a bailment or hiring under a hire-purchase agreement, and
.

(b)

the person who is the creditor in relation to that agreement disposes of the vehicle to the first private purchaser, or a person claiming under him, by transferring to him the property in the vehicle in pursuance of a provision in the agreement in that behalf,
.
the disposition referred to in paragraph (b) above (whether or not the person to whom it is made is a purchaser in good faith without notice of the relevant agreement) shall as well as the disposition referred to in paragraph (a) above, have effect as mentioned in sub-section (3) above.

(5)

The preceding provisions of this section apply"”
.

(a)

notwithstanding anything in [F2section 21 of the M1Sale of Goods Act 1979] (sale of goods by a person not the owner), but
.

(b)

without prejudice to the provisions of the Factors Acts (as defined by [F3section 61(1) of the said Act of 1979] or of any other enactment enabling the apparent owner of goods to dispose of them as if he were the true owner.
.

(6)

Nothing in this section shall exonerate the debtor from any liability (whether criminal or civil) to which he would be subject apart from this section; and, in a case where the debtor disposes of the motor vehicle to a trade or finance purchaser, nothing in this section shall exonerate"”
.

(a)

that trade or finance purchaser, or
.

(b)

any other trade or finance purchaser who becomes a purchaser of the vehicle and is not a person claiming under the first private purchaser,
.
from any liability (whether criminal of civil) to which he would be subject apart from this section.]
 
It's not really the finance that is the issue here, is it? It's whether the car has been involved in an accident that has been recorded. The suggestion was that this was a Cat C car. I haven't hpid it because I'm not buying it, I'm actually selling a 944 S2 myself!
 
Quite correct, but I think that it is an important because so few people actually understand the law, with most believing that cars can be 'repossessed'.

I haven't HPId it either, although I have cunningly accessed the database because I too read the posts which suggested that the car was damaged.

Damaged or not though, the advert is full of waffle which may well take in an inexperienced buyer but it would put me off, and that is biting my tongue - this isn't Pistonheads after all.
 
When I 'almost' bought this car several years ago it was recorded

I thought it was well known that it was a cat-c? I might have got that wrong but I thought it was the car I'm thinking of.

Can't see mention of it in the advert though, so maybe I have got it wrong.
 

ORIGINAL: 944 man

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1964/53/contents

Hire Purchase Act 1964


27

Protection of purchasers of motor vehicles.
.

(1)

This section applies where a motor vehicle has been bailed or (in Scotland) hired under a hire-purchase agreement, or has been agreed to be sold under a conditional sale agreement, and, before the property in the vehicle has become vested in the debtor, he disposes of the vehicle to another person.
.

(2)

Where the disposition referred to in subsection (1) above is to a private purchaser, and he is a purchaser of the motor vehicle in good faith without notice of the hire-purchase or conditional sale agreement (the "relevant agreement") that disposition shall have effect as if the creditor's title to the vehicle has been vested in the debtor immediately before that disposition.
.

(3)

Where the person to whom the disposition referred to in subsection (1) above is made (the "original purchaser") is a trade or finance purchaser, then if the person who is the first private purchaser of the motor vehicle after that disposition (the "first private purchaser") is a purchaser of the vehicle in good faith without notice of the relevant agreement, the disposition of the vehicle to the first private purchaser shall have effect as if the title of the creditor to the vehicle had been vested in the debtor immediately before he disposed of it to the original purchaser.
.

(4)

Where, in a case within subsection (3) above"”
.

(a)

the disposition by which the first private purchaser becomes a purchaser of the motor vehicle in good faith without notice of the relevant agreement is itself a bailment or hiring under a hire-purchase agreement, and
.

(b)

the person who is the creditor in relation to that agreement disposes of the vehicle to the first private purchaser, or a person claiming under him, by transferring to him the property in the vehicle in pursuance of a provision in the agreement in that behalf,
.
the disposition referred to in paragraph (b) above (whether or not the person to whom it is made is a purchaser in good faith without notice of the relevant agreement) shall as well as the disposition referred to in paragraph (a) above, have effect as mentioned in sub-section (3) above.

(5)

The preceding provisions of this section apply"”
.

(a)

notwithstanding anything in [F2section 21 of the M1Sale of Goods Act 1979] (sale of goods by a person not the owner), but
.

(b)

without prejudice to the provisions of the Factors Acts (as defined by [F3section 61(1) of the said Act of 1979] or of any other enactment enabling the apparent owner of goods to dispose of them as if he were the true owner.
.

(6)

Nothing in this section shall exonerate the debtor from any liability (whether criminal or civil) to which he would be subject apart from this section; and, in a case where the debtor disposes of the motor vehicle to a trade or finance purchaser, nothing in this section shall exonerate"”
.

(a)

that trade or finance purchaser, or
.

(b)

any other trade or finance purchaser who becomes a purchaser of the vehicle and is not a person claiming under the first private purchaser,
.
from any liability (whether criminal of civil) to which he would be subject apart from this section.]


I believe so called Log Book Loans conveniently side stepped this legislation.
 
Yes, using Victorian bailment laws, but few lenders register them properly (relying on ignorance and fat tattooed men to take the cars).
 
Instead of all the chit chat about this and that, why does someone not simply call the owner and ask the question if all are so interested? It's threads like these that cause confusion and mistrust about a car and there really is no need for it, especially when the owner is a part of the club; pulling conclusions from the air serves no-one.

The owner also takes some responsibility in writing the advert. Honesty is key as people are not stupid!

Life could be so much more simple huh!

:)
 

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