Selling my 944 Turbo - again!

[pauljmcnulty]

Hi Phil.

The seller isn't a Club member according to his profile. Fair enough, we allow free ads, but I think it's important to clarify if a car has a cat c in it's history for everyone's benefit. It might not, so there's no issue, but this isn't eBay and ads perhaps need to be vetted a bit more than gumtree!

I know it's up to potential buyers to check, but if the ad is public then surely it's better that the information is available to all?

ORIGINAL: Patch234

Instead of all the chit chat about this and that, why does someone not simply call the owner and ask the question if all are so interested? It's threads like these that cause confusion and mistrust about a car and there really is no need for it, especially when the owner is a part of the club; pulling conclusions from the air serves no-one.

The owner also takes some responsibility in writing the advert. Honesty is key as people are not stupid!

Life could be so much more simple huh!

 

[Hallsy]

Have to agree with Patch, I thought the advert was a good one, and the kind of thing I would write when selling a car. Perhaps some prefer the one line descriptions of a cars condition - maybe with a bit of text speak thrown in for good measure!!??

If the car has history and has not been declared, then that is a different matter - and isn't fair on a potential buyer.

Still, looks like a good 951 from the advert, whether it has a marker or not. Good luck with the sale OP.

 

[simkin911]

ORIGINAL: pauljmcnulty

When I 'almost' bought this car several years ago it was recorded

I thought it was well known that it was a cat-c? I might have got that wrong but I thought it was the car I'm thinking of.

Can't see mention of it in the advert though, so maybe I have got it wrong.

Yes, cat c and on the eBay advert at the time.

It was a decent car back then at the advertised price on eBay and clearly a much better car now noting what has been spent. It looks v good and it would be great to see it sell at or near the advertised price.

 

[Diver944]

It was I mentioned the Cat C in the other thread because I thought this car was signed, sealed and delivered over a month ago [8|]

I did an HPi check on the original F registration when considering buying it from Andy at Promax three years ago and it was registered as a full loss in 1992. Andy declared this fully before I even looked at the car and he even let me borrow it to drive for over a month. The 1992 repair had obvioulsy stood the test of time, but was not 100% mm perfect and needed some minor remedial work at that point. It was a really, really good car that just needed a good clean, but even at only £3500 I didn't want to risk never being able to sell it on due to it's status.

It now looks like a fantastic car and has obviously been looked after well and cleaned properly. With it's low miles and extensive history it should sell easily. However I still believe that the ultimate value will be compromised because of it's history

 

[Patch234]

The thread has more clarity and fact to it now. As someone mentioned earlier; maybe in another thread, this is not Pistonheads and nor should it be. Yes Mr 944 Man, I may be a new guy, but this is not school, it's not about how long you have been here that really counts is it?

 

[mark piper]

You're a club member, Patch, right?

It took me a while to get my status changed on my forum profile to reflect the fact I am a club member (must be getting on for 30 years now!!). You ought to get yours changed too.

 

[JagdHamster]

Hey guys,
This car was Cat C? WTH?

I've been on this forum 2 years and no-one mentioned it? Nor did the guy who sold it to me (what a surprise, even though I asked him...), nor Andy at Promax when I phoned him up about it....how the hell was i meant to know?

I also have an HPI check that's got no record of write-off on it....WTF?

This car IS in fantastic condition now, but FFS I'm sick of the number of crooks in the car game.

FFS.

 

[JagdHamster]

By the way, the reg. is now F532 YFX.

 

[Patch234]

ORIGINAL: mark piper

You're a club member, Patch, right?

It took me a while to get my status changed on my forum profile to reflect the fact I am a club member (must be getting on for 30 years now!!). You ought to get yours changed too.

I am a paid member yes Mark of TIPEC, I am yet to join this one, keep forgetting.

Unlucky JagD, hopefully the negotiations will go smoothly now with potential purchasers. It is what it is, but the car looks great and I am sure it drives just as nice.

 

[mark piper]

Sorry to hear that. This is why one MUST HPI on chassis number too. It may be that the trader who made you your offer then withdrew, but why he would dick you around for so long is odd. Or did he keep you on the hook and then lowball you with an offer?

As a guide, a car on the register is generally 75% of retail, but then Harry Metcalfe bought a Cat C Testarossa at auction recently and paid strong money for it, so what do I know?

 

[JagdHamster]

Hi Mark,
It wasn't a trader, to be fair, but he did try to low-ball on the day, after a long delay (due to "a holiday"...).

The HPI check did use the VIN, so I'm now very confused.

 

[mark piper]

Ah, thought you said he was from the trade?... Anyway, very odd that the VIN you ran the check on didn't show up. If we have a friendly trader on the forum, they could HPI it for pennies to solve the confusion, as opposed to us private guys who have to shell out 30 quid.

 

[blade7]

It would be interesting to see if Rowan Atkinson's Mclaren F1 has an alert registered against it, that car has supposedly cost millions to repair and is undoubtedly now a much tighter car than just before it was broken in half. A cat C will need before and during repair pictures before any collector/speculator would go near it, and on something like a 944 I wouldn't be surprised if it chipped 25% off the value.

 

[JagdHamster]

He was a body-shop owner, for info.

 

[944 man]

I used Autotrader to 'HPI' it and it didn't appear to be recorded in any way. This was using the currently displayed registered number.

I don't expect it to show on the V5C because the damage predates the introduction of this, and it predates the ABI categorisation scheme too, so it will be recorded on the condition alert register and not a 'Cat C', as far as I am aware.

Its a shame that it wasn't Autoligned, because it could have been removed from the register altogether up until April 1995.

I still think that the ad is full of waffle - is the car a 220 or a 250? It appears to be a late registered 220 like mine, but if not why does it have a K26/6 turbocharger? As I said, it may flummox the uninitiated, but it will put off anyone who knows anything about the cars. Was it built with option M030 or have parts been added afterwards? If the latter then it doesn't have M030 etc.

 

[pse_SC]

New Man is chastising the register secretary and moderator.

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[944 man]

Autolign inspection may still be an option Russ, if everyone is definitely talking about the same car.

http://www.autolign-inspections.co.uk/

The cars recorded status hasn't been able to be changed for twenty years now, but it can still be moved from the Condition Alert register, to the Condition Inspected register. You may struggle now, in particular their requirements to see bills, but you wont know if you don't open a dialogue with them.

 

[JagdHamster]

Interesting, thanks Simon. I will call them.

I don't have any paperwork before 1995, sadly.

The car's a 250 and had M030 as standard. Andy said he changed over because he preferred the less-laggy turbocharger.

 

[JaseGT4]

This is a real shame, I hope you get this sorted out and if it is on the register and you weren't informed there can be some sort of re-compense?? Looks like there is enough knowledge and evidence on this thread to prove previous knowledge of the categorisation by previous owners if it is the same car.

Good luck.

 

[944 man]

Definitely stick at it. Their website is shocking and magazine adverts 20yrs ago carried more useful information. Asking for a simple yes/no will almost certainly get a 'no', hence my referring to a dialogue as opposed to asking...

Id suggest buying a reasonable K26/8 and getting the correct wheels too. Neither should be particularly expensive, even the Gullideckels - I bought an S4 set with the sensors still in place and the original anodising for £150 the other day. Id get the original steering wheel too: no longer available for £20, but there are some reasonably priced parts in amongst the chancers asking £100+ (make sure that you have a 928 part number horn ring, but otherwise series one and series tow wheels are the same). They don't need to be fitted, but if theyre supplied then it would allay some of my concerns. The correct AOR transaxle is a real spanner in the works though.