So my interest is growing for a 944
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Turbo vs. S2. Don't get me started. (Sorry - relates to a discussion elsewhere, where I am very nearly regretting having bought an S2 instead of a Turbo!)
Oli.
K-reg 944? That IS a late one - I have never seen anything later than an H before I think (or possibly a J) ...ORIGINAL: poprock
Oli.
xenon
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Turbo v S2? Depends what you want to do with the car. If it's a road car you're after and have no desires to modify, the S2 is the one to go for. In the real-world (i.e. on road) it's very nearly as quick as a standard turbo, especially the series one (pre 89, 220 bhp) turbo.
As many S2s have been de-catted too, the outright power is probably not a whole lot less than the turbo. I read that simply removing the cat is good for another 20bhp, on top of the standard 211 (don't know if that's true). Maintenance is probably similar; one brings turbo issues, one brings 16v complexity.
If, however, you want some serious power then the turbo is very tunable - 300bhp (and considerably more) is quite attainable. Also, most turbos have LSD and many also have M030 suspension and brake setup.
As many S2s have been de-catted too, the outright power is probably not a whole lot less than the turbo. I read that simply removing the cat is good for another 20bhp, on top of the standard 211 (don't know if that's true). Maintenance is probably similar; one brings turbo issues, one brings 16v complexity.
If, however, you want some serious power then the turbo is very tunable - 300bhp (and considerably more) is quite attainable. Also, most turbos have LSD and many also have M030 suspension and brake setup.
Mismatch of front and rear bumper? This had never occured to me actually, although I guess it's true.
I guess a better way of doing things from Porsche's point of view would therefore have been to design a new rear end for the Turbo/S2, along with the smoother new front end. Which is the stage they went to with the 968.
Someone on here had a picture of a 944 S3 being tested in the early 90's - yes, an S3, with a 944 S2 front and a 968 rear. I think it was white ...
Oli.
I guess a better way of doing things from Porsche's point of view would therefore have been to design a new rear end for the Turbo/S2, along with the smoother new front end. Which is the stage they went to with the 968.
Someone on here had a picture of a 944 S3 being tested in the early 90's - yes, an S3, with a 944 S2 front and a 968 rear. I think it was white ...
Oli.
peanut
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I think you should try to test drive an S2 as soon as possible. They are a pretty unique driving experience. You will be impressed by their interior comfort and drivability and especially their balance and handling. They are reassuringly solid and the performance is more than adequate but fuss free. Its deceptively quick. I have to really hammer mine to get the rear wheels to spin but acceleration is instant in any gear at almost any revs (mine has been chipped )
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pauljmcnulty
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Me too......[8|]
sawood12
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So that is 6 of us who prefer the rubber spoiler. We're all coming out of the closet now! Next the Mutual Flag Door Mirror Appreciation Society will be piping up - though I don't think i'm a member of that one, but the lozenge steering wheel has grown on me.
Although i'd argue to my dying days that an S2 is every bit as 'expensive' to run than a turbo I will deny that the S2 is complex due to it's 16v head. 16v heads are almost a standard feature on modern cars. Yes there are more moving parts and yes, there are maintenance issues not prescribed by Porsche in their service schedule that maybe they should have (cam chain replacement interval for example), but if regularly and properly maintained it is 100% reliable and trouble free (just like timing belts). You shouldn't be put off an S2 over an 8v model due to a perception it is somehow less reliable or more troublesome.
Although i'd argue to my dying days that an S2 is every bit as 'expensive' to run than a turbo I will deny that the S2 is complex due to it's 16v head. 16v heads are almost a standard feature on modern cars. Yes there are more moving parts and yes, there are maintenance issues not prescribed by Porsche in their service schedule that maybe they should have (cam chain replacement interval for example), but if regularly and properly maintained it is 100% reliable and trouble free (just like timing belts). You shouldn't be put off an S2 over an 8v model due to a perception it is somehow less reliable or more troublesome.
Suffolk944
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When I got mine I was certain that the first things I would change would be the rubber spoiler for a bridge one, the flag mirrors for cups and the lozenge steering wheel for some RS type.
Nearly four years later they are still on the car, as have grown to like them all (well maybe not the mirrors so much). The steering wheel is starting to look a little worn now mind , so that may be changed in the not too distant future.
Nearly four years later they are still on the car, as have grown to like them all (well maybe not the mirrors so much). The steering wheel is starting to look a little worn now mind , so that may be changed in the not too distant future.
OK, I'll put my hand up as well.
I quite like the rubber spoiler.
I also quite like the flag mirrors and the lozenge steering wheel. A nice MOMO affair may be ... well, nice, but the lozenge one does suit the car and the shapes on it match the shapes elsewhere (the air sampler grille is the same shape, as are other things around the car.)
It's staying on mine.
(But then I should add that I am almost always a sucker for original-looking cars, and I am the sort of person who buys second-hand cars with aftermarket parts and puts the original parts back on. While discussions about Cup 2 wheels are wonderful, I won't be changing my D90's either ... )
Oli.
I quite like the rubber spoiler.
I also quite like the flag mirrors and the lozenge steering wheel. A nice MOMO affair may be ... well, nice, but the lozenge one does suit the car and the shapes on it match the shapes elsewhere (the air sampler grille is the same shape, as are other things around the car.)
It's staying on mine.
(But then I should add that I am almost always a sucker for original-looking cars, and I am the sort of person who buys second-hand cars with aftermarket parts and puts the original parts back on. While discussions about Cup 2 wheels are wonderful, I won't be changing my D90's either ... )
Oli.
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