Hey AL, have you seen this that has just come up for sale in the forum?
http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=170460
http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=170460
Still looking for a 3.2 CC
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Richard, how the bl**dy hell can you tell it has a funny rubber!!! []
Years of practice squinting Porsche pictures on a computer monitor!
I would spend money on the oily bits before getting the cosmetics right. I like the wheels, mirrors and tail. Not my ideal package but they look good nonetheless, certainly livable. Seriously, get the mechanical bits tip top before playing with the appearance - if you get the basics right so you can enjoy driving then you have the rest of your life to tinker with the aesthetics.
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Thing is, i don't think the black Fuchs particularly suit Guards Red, which is one of the reasons I like this one so much. I also quite like the Turbo spoiler. The only worry from a non-standard point of view, which you missed, is the cup mirrors! They would be a lot mor etricky to change back.
My original quest was for a cheap performance car to keep me in mischief for 12 months or so that i would not lose too much money on, hence that is my main concern... is the car a fair price for what it is?
I think it is in the right ball park but am open to everyone's opinion. The couple of people who have ventured an opinion so far seem to think it is somewhere near.
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Price seems OK to me - but I am not in touch with the market so don't take my view as expert.
See if the seller has the flag mirrors. I would sell it in 12 months (assuming you don't fall in love with it) with the Fuchs on it and flags in a box. I think punters generally pay more for original looking cars. Sell the split rims separately to recoup some of your costs - are they 17s? with correct offset for 3.2s or big spacers and late offset? are they true split rims or heavy one piece "look-like" split rims? Could be worth a lot or a little.
See if the seller has the flag mirrors. I would sell it in 12 months (assuming you don't fall in love with it) with the Fuchs on it and flags in a box. I think punters generally pay more for original looking cars. Sell the split rims separately to recoup some of your costs - are they 17s? with correct offset for 3.2s or big spacers and late offset? are they true split rims or heavy one piece "look-like" split rims? Could be worth a lot or a little.
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Well ... what can I say... two on the HPI accident register in less than a week and I'm starting to get mightily p!55ed off with people that allegedly don't know the history of their own vehicles!
Sorry Beaky, I didn't reply to your link - it looks nice, but it's a Targa.
Anyway, I had a long chat with Henry Firman yesterday down at his place. He does talk a lot of sense and both he and Tom have suggested that the car that I love the look and character of may not actually do the job I need it to do.
I do need a car that will do very high speed, whether it's on the runway at Bruntinthorpe, the Autobahn, a wide open Autovia in Spain, or an empty moorland road at 5.30 in the morning. I have been advised that at big speeds the old 3.2 handling is simply too unstable. The steering is very jittery and the brakes can be a bit of a lottery.
Does anyone here ever drive their 3.2 at 140 - 150mph?
Sorry Beaky, I didn't reply to your link - it looks nice, but it's a Targa.
Anyway, I had a long chat with Henry Firman yesterday down at his place. He does talk a lot of sense and both he and Tom have suggested that the car that I love the look and character of may not actually do the job I need it to do.
I do need a car that will do very high speed, whether it's on the runway at Bruntinthorpe, the Autobahn, a wide open Autovia in Spain, or an empty moorland road at 5.30 in the morning. I have been advised that at big speeds the old 3.2 handling is simply too unstable. The steering is very jittery and the brakes can be a bit of a lottery.
Does anyone here ever drive their 3.2 at 140 - 150mph?
Hi,
I've had an indicated 160mph on an Autobahn in Germany in an '86 Cab with no rear spoiler - no problems at all, very stable
The main thing is to ensure the suspension is correctly aligned, when I first picked the car up it was a nightmare at high speed, very scary. One £50 suspension alignment later, steady as a rock.
I used to live in Holland, and regularly travelled around Germany - "cruising" at 120-140 was never a problem, even with the roof down
I'll not admit how fast it will go in France on a trip to Le Mans as they have speed limits there []
I suppose the suitability of the car for you depends how many miles you think you will cover at these speeds, but to say that any Porsche is not capable of being driven at high speed is rubbish. A Porsche should always have the brakes, tyres and suspension kept in good condition, precisely because it is capable of these speeds.
If you get one that feels unstable at speed there is something wrong with it
If the speed is really important, maybe you should be looking at a 930 Turbo? Although a good one will stretch your budget. You could also look at 944 Turbos, as they are the performance bargain of the century []
I've had an indicated 160mph on an Autobahn in Germany in an '86 Cab with no rear spoiler - no problems at all, very stable
The main thing is to ensure the suspension is correctly aligned, when I first picked the car up it was a nightmare at high speed, very scary. One £50 suspension alignment later, steady as a rock.
I used to live in Holland, and regularly travelled around Germany - "cruising" at 120-140 was never a problem, even with the roof down
I'll not admit how fast it will go in France on a trip to Le Mans as they have speed limits there [
]I suppose the suitability of the car for you depends how many miles you think you will cover at these speeds, but to say that any Porsche is not capable of being driven at high speed is rubbish. A Porsche should always have the brakes, tyres and suspension kept in good condition, precisely because it is capable of these speeds.
If you get one that feels unstable at speed there is something wrong with it
If the speed is really important, maybe you should be looking at a 930 Turbo? Although a good one will stretch your budget. You could also look at 944 Turbos, as they are the performance bargain of the century [
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oh I have! [
] and they do [&:]Even that mint looking one in Bristol, someone over on the 930 forum has had an inspection done and it needs a bit of work apparently underneath.
Yesterday i really did feel like giving up and getting a nice 968 Sport ... but they just don't have the same road presence as a 911.
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OK I have resisted for long enough.
I have a LHD 1984 GPW 3.2 with 170,000KM on the clock, with all MOTs since import (1988). Originaly from Germany. Sticker under hood matches sticker in service book - german and english stamps but only english paperwork for servicing. (mostly JZ). I bought it from 911virgin for cash 2 years ago, all HPI clear etc. Since then I have replaced the clutch, recut flywheel, new inner cv joints, new heatexchangers, sport rear box, K&N cone filter (still got orig). And some powder coating, see: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=204814&highlight=engine
Mint black logo interior, sunroof leccy mirrors and windows momo s/wheel. Cat 1 alarm/immob. Very recently dynoed at 245bhp see: http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=156087 .
The bad bits front blower motor not working (footwell blowers ok so no demist probs).
Intermittant ign switch fault - sometimes wont turn all the way to crank. I think the fault is with mechanical (barrel) bit but I carry a spare electrical part to plug in as/when jiggling doesn't work.
It is currently in the bodyshop having the front edge of the front wings done and a bit on the sill, followed with a full respray, I am doing the stripping and refitting myself but I can't paint.
heres a pic of the engine with the tin coated and some links to some large hi res pics (before the respray)
http://www.pelicanparts.com/MotorCity/911mot/car1%20(4).jpg
http://www.pelicanparts.com/MotorCity/911mot/car1%20(5).jpg
http://www.pelicanparts.com/MotorCity/911mot/000_0439.JPG
http://www.pelicanparts.com/MotorCity/911mot/car1%20(9).jpg
http://www.pelicanparts.com/MotorCity/911mot/car1.jpg
http://www.pelicanparts.com/MotorCity/911mot/cc%20003.jpg
http://www.pelicanparts.com/MotorCity/911mot/car1%20(7).jpg
When its all done (approx 2 weeks) its going on ebay etc because I have recently come into 10k and want, no, badly want a lhd 965 like this one : http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/60912.htm []
The only reason I haven't mentioned it to you before is because it's a LHD and 915 box and not quite ready for sale
I live and work less than 2miles from J17 or 18 of the M25. If you (or anybody) want to take a look and see what you can get for less than £10k, pm me.
Adrian.
PS I have red carrera decals waiting to go on but got quoted £740+ vat to repaint and anodize the fuchs to match.
They can wait some more....
I have a LHD 1984 GPW 3.2 with 170,000KM on the clock, with all MOTs since import (1988). Originaly from Germany. Sticker under hood matches sticker in service book - german and english stamps but only english paperwork for servicing. (mostly JZ). I bought it from 911virgin for cash 2 years ago, all HPI clear etc. Since then I have replaced the clutch, recut flywheel, new inner cv joints, new heatexchangers, sport rear box, K&N cone filter (still got orig). And some powder coating, see: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=204814&highlight=engine
Mint black logo interior, sunroof leccy mirrors and windows momo s/wheel. Cat 1 alarm/immob. Very recently dynoed at 245bhp see: http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=156087 .
The bad bits front blower motor not working (footwell blowers ok so no demist probs).
Intermittant ign switch fault - sometimes wont turn all the way to crank. I think the fault is with mechanical (barrel) bit but I carry a spare electrical part to plug in as/when jiggling doesn't work.
It is currently in the bodyshop having the front edge of the front wings done and a bit on the sill, followed with a full respray, I am doing the stripping and refitting myself but I can't paint.
heres a pic of the engine with the tin coated and some links to some large hi res pics (before the respray)
http://www.pelicanparts.com/MotorCity/911mot/car1%20(4).jpg
http://www.pelicanparts.com/MotorCity/911mot/car1%20(5).jpg
http://www.pelicanparts.com/MotorCity/911mot/000_0439.JPG
http://www.pelicanparts.com/MotorCity/911mot/car1%20(9).jpg
http://www.pelicanparts.com/MotorCity/911mot/car1.jpg
http://www.pelicanparts.com/MotorCity/911mot/cc%20003.jpg
http://www.pelicanparts.com/MotorCity/911mot/car1%20(7).jpg
When its all done (approx 2 weeks) its going on ebay etc because I have recently come into 10k and want, no, badly want a lhd 965 like this one : http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/60912.htm [
]The only reason I haven't mentioned it to you before is because it's a LHD and 915 box and not quite ready for sale
I live and work less than 2miles from J17 or 18 of the M25. If you (or anybody) want to take a look and see what you can get for less than £10k, pm me.
Adrian.
PS I have red carrera decals waiting to go on but got quoted £740+ vat to repaint and anodize the fuchs to match.
They can wait some more....
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Hi Al
Do I assume that the car at Northways didn't work out?
With regard to stability, if Henry's talking about 964s over 3.2s then I'm surprised because the 964 never fixed the reputation for loose rear ends - I'm not aware that it was a massive improvement in that department.
3.2s aren't really quick by todays standards but they thrill at lower speeds and personally that's part of their attraction for me. I don't know if you're a bike rider, but they are akin to an unfaired bike - all the thrill of going fast but less risk of losing your license. If you want a car that will comfortably travel at 140 - 150mph then maybe it is the wrong car for you although it will certainly give you a buzz at that kind of speed.
To give you a sense of how quick a 3.2 is, I recently tried out a Cooper S to see how it compared. When I drove it I was impressed at how well it covered ground and how responsive it was. I then got back in the 3.2 to go home and was surprised at how much quicker it was than the Mini - I had expected them to be on a par. So you're going to be quicker than the best of the "normal" cars but not as quick as the latest supercar.
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Looks fantastic Adrian but you're right, if it's a 3.2 I really would prefer RHD.
The general concensus of opinion on saturday at the P.Heads meet was that with 80/90/100k miles on the clock I would be lucky to get 140mph on the clock. I would be better off with a 964 as they are simply more powerful and faster! they also have better suspension and better brakes.
But then i talk to a guy at the track day at Silverstone on Sunday with a lovely white CS and he argued the opposite, get the 3.2 chipped it is still a very rapid car, and lighter!
Thanks for that comparison Iain. You are correct about the car at Northways (not one of theirs I hasten to add).
I do not need to car to cruise at 140 or 150. It is just when the odd occasion arises, it is nice to know I won't be playing catch up for the next 5 miles, or, that I won't be the absolute slowest car at V.Max [
]There is one I need to see even further north than I am! A nice GPW one that "seems" nice, although I am going in with eyes wide open... I'm fed up of paying for changes to cover notes!
I'll keep you posted.
Hi,
My car had 107,000 on the clock, and would go over 140 easily....
Also my car was originally a California spec vehicle, with added emissions controls etc. These had been removed, but it is likely that the compression ratio was still the lower US spec, so the power would be down on most 3.2's
Also was a lot of fun at Spa, Zaandvoort and Bedford on track days - would pull an indicated 120 on the 1km straight at Bedford
If you search this forum for "Dyno" etc you will see the results of various Dyno days with 3.2's showing the general power outputs available, plus what can be done with tuning etc
In the end a 964 has 18Bhp more, plus more torque, but also more weight. I have only driven one (not a very good example admittedly) but it did not feel hugely more powerful than my 3.2
As ever, the best thing to do is to drive good examples of each model, and see what you prefer, and what type of car is within your budget
Cheers
Pete
My car had 107,000 on the clock, and would go over 140 easily....
Also my car was originally a California spec vehicle, with added emissions controls etc. These had been removed, but it is likely that the compression ratio was still the lower US spec, so the power would be down on most 3.2's
Also was a lot of fun at Spa, Zaandvoort and Bedford on track days - would pull an indicated 120 on the 1km straight at Bedford
If you search this forum for "Dyno" etc you will see the results of various Dyno days with 3.2's showing the general power outputs available, plus what can be done with tuning etc
In the end a 964 has 18Bhp more, plus more torque, but also more weight. I have only driven one (not a very good example admittedly) but it did not feel hugely more powerful than my 3.2
As ever, the best thing to do is to drive good examples of each model, and see what you prefer, and what type of car is within your budget
Cheers
Pete
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Thanks for that Richard, I appreciate it and also a lot of your reasoned comments over the last few months.
I'm not getting too excited, but I think I have found one. Beautiful original condition, goes well, everything works and it seemed to handle just fine around the damp country lanes that I was thrown around this afternoon!
Deposit has been left and I pick it up on Saturday. I won't post any pics until I actually have it in my possesion, tempting fate and all that.
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Al, Congratulations my friend - Can't wait to see the pictures.
Do you fancy joining the cat & fiddle run with the rest of region 7 on Sunday? see here this would be a great way to introduce yourself and enjoy the pleasures your car will bring.
I am quite keen to get my car dyno'd once winter is over - there are a few places to get this done locally but it could be worth the trip to Ninemeister
Do you fancy joining the cat & fiddle run with the rest of region 7 on Sunday? see here this would be a great way to introduce yourself and enjoy the pleasures your car will bring.
I am quite keen to get my car dyno'd once winter is over - there are a few places to get this done locally but it could be worth the trip to Ninemeister
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Thanks Jacob - I had noticed the Cat & Fiddle run but it looks like a full day which I'm unable to do I'm afraid. We do have one of our Yorkshire dawn raids the Sunday after which will be a pretty high speed run across the moors at 6am in the morning ... which will be an interesting introductory experience!
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