To Renew or, Not Renew.....

[Ex Skyline]

An excuse to do nothing Paul? I don't understand what you are talking about [8|]. Have I NOT said in my past umpteenth posts that I intend to keep running the Annual "Brighton Bash" come what may and, at my expense [&:]? I don't need PCGB funding or permission to get a good bunch of 944 mates together for a great day out!

 

[Frenchy]

Trotter, caught you lurking [] see you Friday PM at the NEC !

 

[pauljmcnulty]

An excuse to do nothing Paul? I don't understand what you are talking about .

Pete? You SO do understand my point. [8|]

I've always had a real issue with people who expect everything to be handed to them on a plate. In a PCGB context, that's the guys who say "my region is crap, so I won't go to it, but I'm not so bothered I'll pick up the phone" (forum posts aren't man-enough, you need to talk to people in the real world to change things).

Imagine your Brighton event. Some nob comes along and says "944s never do anything in Brighton, except on one weekend that I can't make. Therefore all 944s owners are idiots and don't offer me a proper service for my money". You wouldn't get upset at the guy who organises the event on the wrong day, you'd suggest, politely, that the bloke who wants something different might organise a flippin' event himself if he feels that strongly, rather than sitting at home waiting for the local organiser to pick him from home on a convenient night and buy him a beer. [&:]

I hope you see my point. If you read my (unpopular) posts on the Club organising too many big events, you'll see that I am 100% behind one big Club, one big event, and everything else is kept small, local, or model-specific. The models tend to sort themselves out, and you know I'm passionate about the work people like Glenn and Andy have done to move the 944 owners to events where everyone is welcome, rather than club-only 944 meets.

Local regions are different, though, as you're catering for everyone from the guy with the £500 924, through people with a 356 that hasn't been out of the garage in 20 years, to the bloke who's just been given a 991 as a company car. There's no real reason you'd all get on, and why should you? What you need to do is talk to the organisers, use a tiny bit of your enthusiasm, and try to shock them in to life. When you go to a good region you see how it's not about politics or snobbery, but a good community based on a few people putting in the work.

Don't blame anyone else if you don't get something from a social Club. It's a pathetic old cliche, but it's true to say that "ask not what your region/register/club can do for you" etc. []

 

[MartinRS2K]

ORIGINAL: Frenchy

Trotter, caught you lurking [] see you Friday PM at the NEC !

And he's still lurking now []

 

[supersport]

Don't wang to quote Paul's long post, but hell yeah that's my point but put better.

 

[PAUL RUDDY]

ORIGINAL: pauljmcnulty

I've always had a real issue with people who expect everything to be handed to them on a plate. In a PCGB context, that's the guys who say "my region is crap, so I won't go to it, but I'm not so bothered I'll pick up the phone" (forum posts aren't man-enough, you need to talk to people in the real world to change things).

Paul, you are 100% correct, but , a forum by its very name is a place of discussion and to air ones views or opinions, it is not the place however to try and change club policy or regional boundaries.

From what I hear I believe the wheels are in motion to take the region issue via the correct club channels, and in writing, I also believe that the phone has been picked up but not in a productive manner, enough said on this matter and I think the regional dispute is far better left to be discussed only by those it affects and not the full forum.

I will just add one last point, the people wanting change are fully paid up club members and as such have as much say in the running of the club as any other, it is a move requested in the interest of benefitting the club and should not be viewed in any other way.

Cheers, Paul

 

[Dekker]

Very well said Paul.

I'll add that to fill my car at the pumps is £85-90 so all those moaning about the cost should consider whether they can afford a Porsche.
Maybe they should be driving a Seat Mii.

 

[PAUL RUDDY]

ORIGINAL: Dekker

Very well said Paul.

I'll add that to fill my car at the pumps is £85-90 so all those moaning about the cost should consider whether they can afford a Porsche.
Maybe they should be driving a Seat Mii.

Seat Mii, great wee car, funny you should have mentioned them as I have one in my 'sig'..... or did you already notice.

Fortunately I retired at 39 and can fund my Porsche and several other hobbies quite easily.

Paul R

 

[rob.kellock]

ORIGINAL: PAUL RUDDY

I think the regional dispute is far better left to be discussed only by those it affects and not the full forum.

Oh dear, has it escalated to a dispute now? []

Free the Cumbrian massive from the shackles of David Baker's Lancashire crew!! [][][]

I am seeing some of the Lancashire mafia this evening at R5's meeting - perhaps we should start some secret merger talks for back up purposes in case you win your liberation!!

The R18 Lancs and Cumbria split could be as divisive as Monty Python's "People's Front of Judea" sketch?

Seriously, reading this thread has been a bit of an eye opener - has anyone actually spoken with Mike Trotter and David Baker? Us Lancastrians are very fond of our Cumbrian bretheren, apart from when you invade the concours and pick up the trophies!

May be a new thread should be started on the R18 bit of the forum?

What has R18 ever done for us? Well, there's the meetings, the joint meetings, the butties, the banners, the gazebo, the flagpoles, the concours, the bunting, the butties, Porkers in the Trough, Haigh Hall, the drives out, the weekends away, the national events, the butties, the camaraderie, the banter, the people, the personalities, the cars...

Yeah. But apart from all that... etc.

 

[PAUL RUDDY]

Don't forget the butties ...lol

Dispute was the wrong choice of word, discussion would have been far wiser.

I do honestly believe it has escalated into something it was not intended to be, I know conversations have taken place and the "he said" "she said" discussion does nobody any favours.

No one is disputing the close links between Cumbria and Lancs but sometimes it's good to kick fresh ideas about and if the outcome after talks is that it's best 'as it is' fair enough.

Now I must go and polish the Mii []

 

[MartinRS2K]

ORIGINAL: rob.kellock

Oh dear, has it escalated to a dispute now? []

Free the Cumbrian massive from the shackles of David Baker's Lancashire crew!! [][][]

I am seeing some of the Lancashire mafia this evening at R5's meeting - perhaps we should start some secret merger talks for back up purposes in case you win your liberation!!

The R18 Lancs and Cumbria split could be as divisive as Monty Python's "People's Front of Judea" sketch?

Seriously, reading this thread has been a bit of an eye opener - has anyone actually spoken with Mike Trotter and David Baker? Us Lancastrians are very fond of our Cumbrian bretheren, apart from when you invade the concours and pick up the trophies!

May be a new thread should be started on the R18 bit of the forum?

What has R18 ever done for us? Well, there's the meetings, the joint meetings, the butties, the banners, the gazebo, the flagpoles, the concours, the bunting, the butties, Porkers in the Trough, Haigh Hall, the drives out, the weekends away, the national events, the butties, the camaraderie, the banter, the people, the personalities, the cars...

Yeah. But apart from all that... etc.

Rob

There have been some conversations and it will be discussed further. As Paul has said some things have been taken out of context, but also there has been some calls made to the wrong people with accusations that were unfounded!

What's has R18 done for us in Cumbria... That's where we need to have a meeting to discuss properly

p.s. I brought my own butties []

 

[rob.kellock]

Look after that Mii, always worth a couple of Brownie points from the Mrs!

Am sure that those who know best will satisfactorily resolve any disquiet!

edited to add - Martin - come on down to Garstang next Wednesday, we may even get some chocolates at this time of year!

 

[MartinRS2K]

ORIGINAL: rob.kellock


edited to add - Martin - come on down to Garstang next Wednesday, we may even get some chocolates at this time of year!

Will definitely come down to one of the Garstang meetings Rob, but won't be until next year now and if you can provide a fillet steak as well it will be gratefully received []

 

[Mike_Pollock]

Frenchy - I'll be around Friday at the NEC, club stand, maybe we can finish that chat from Silverstone - 4 years ago? - or a beer instead

 

[Ex Skyline]

FFS! Mr Mc Nulty. Expect everything to be handed to them on a plate? WTF are you on? Talk to people in the real world to change things?? What if there's no-one in the region (23) to talk to? Or, what if their just too f-----g ignorant or lazy to reply to my numerous posts? Or, have vanished into thin air [8|], which is beginning to seem more and more likely! Have a look on R23, there's no-one there! I don't even know WHO is in R23 because no-one replies to any posts! I would like lots of meetings in the South and, don't mind forking out to help finance them. The money isn't a problem at all. But, what's the f-----g point when the Sussex region doesn't even respond to post's I put up weeks ago?!I wanted to guage if there would be any interest in a Southern curry/beer weekend down this way but, as of yet, no-one has responded! I'm certainly NOT waiting for a the "Local organiser" (who is he ?),to come and pick me up and take me out for a pint (although that would be rather spiffing)! What a ridiculous comment! Where on Earth did you get that from? NO, I don't see your point! It has no relevance to any of the posts I have made. I simply started off by asking what di I actually get for my £63? When I am in a dull and boring region that do nothing, don't respond when I post to suggest doing something and, in general, just DON'T EXIST! I would be happy to organise more gatherings however, I feel like I would just be pi55ing against the wind because no-one responds! I think you will also find that Andy organises 944 events and, not 911 events. Read through his previous posts! And while were on the subject, what's wrong with 944 only meets (or transaxle meets)? At the Brighton Bash, I got the impression that all the 944 owners didn't mention 911's very much in conversation. Everyone at all the 944 meet's iv'e been to were passionate about 944's (and the other transaxles) and, not much else. Finally Paul, who is blaming anyone else for not getting something out of the club? Where on Earth did that come from? It seem's to me from a number of other post's on this thread that there are a number of other members disgruntled with their regions as well.
Dekker, who is moaning about the cost of filling a car up? I can certainly afford a 944 the same as every other person who visits this section, thanks. You have missed my point which, I have just explained again for the last time!
Paul Ruddy, "Whoopee Do" Well done Sir! I wish you a long and happy retirement!

 

[simkin911]

ORIGINAL: Ex Skyline

FFS! Mr Mc Nulty. Expect everything to be handed to them on a plate? WTF are you on? Talk to people in the real world to change things?? What if there's no-one in the region (23) to talk to? Or, what if their just too f-----g ignorant or lazy to reply to my numerous posts? Or, have vanished into thin air [8|], which is beginning to seem more and more likely! Have a look on R23, there's no-one there! I don't even know WHO is in R23 because no-one replies to any posts! I would like lots of meetings in the South and, don't mind forking out to help finance them. The money isn't a problem at all. But, what's the f-----g point when the Sussex region doesn't even respond to post's I put up weeks ago?!I wanted to guage if there would be any interest in a Southern curry/beer weekend down this way but, as of yet, no-one has responded! I'm certainly NOT waiting for a the "Local organiser" (who is he ?),to come and pick me up and take me out for a pint (although that would be rather spiffing)! What a ridiculous comment! Where on Earth did you get that from? NO, I don't see your point! It has no relevance to any of the posts I have made. I simply started off by asking what di I actually get for my £63? When I am in a dull and boring region that do nothing, don't respond when I post to suggest doing something and, in general, just DON'T EXIST! I would be happy to organise more gatherings however, I feel like I would just be pi55ing against the wind because no-one responds! I think you will also find that Andy organises 944 events and, not 911 events. Read through his previous posts! And while were on the subject, what's wrong with 944 only meets (or transaxle meets)? At the Brighton Bash, I got the impression that all the 944 owners didn't mention 911's very much in conversation. Everyone at all the 944 meet's iv'e been to were passionate about 944's (and the other transaxles) and, not much else. Finally Paul, who is blaming anyone else for not getting something out of the club? Where on Earth did that come from? It seem's to me from a number of other post's on this thread that there are a number of other members disgruntled with their regions as well.
Dekker, who is moaning about the cost of filling a car up? I can certainly afford a 944 the same as every other person who visits this section, thanks. You have missed my point which, I have just explained again for the last time!
Paul Ruddy, "Whoopee Do" Well done Sir! I wish you a long and happy retirement!

Crikey Pete, I hope you don't have issues with your blood pressure - before or after writing that above !
I can almost visualise you with steam coming out your ears.

Personally, I do view the valuation service as a worthwhile benefit of membership but I suspect you will already have taken care of this through the club in view of all the modifications (presumably at great expense) you have undertaken on your car.
Shame your Brighton get together is so far away - you should organise a Highland tour!

 

[Frenchy]

Mike, hoping to be down in time before doors shut, beer sounds good [] if not i will be there over the weekend mobile number 07799 620 381feel free to call. Pete i think that Decker was referring to me bellyaching about sticking £50 or so in fuel to go to my local club night.
Well if that's the case i can actually afford to run 2 x 944 turbos but the £50 in fuel covesr the cost of me servicing one of the cars or buying some more goodies for one of them which is my personal preference []

 

[pauljmcnulty]

Pete, there's no reason that the people from R23 should use the forum if they don't want to. It's up to them. Most regions use a round-robin email system: I don't like it but it's their choice.

The numbers are all easy to find in Porschefile, Porsche Post etc. If there isn't anyone at the region who answers you then shout at the regional director, or the chairman, but talking about it on the 944 register forum isn't going to get to the right people.

I can only say what I believe: you either get out there and talk to people to change it, or it won't change. If you aren't that bothered that you can make a short phone call to the region director to tell him what you think of region 23, then fair enough. Even posting on the Club Members forum might get the point across better than here.

 

[supersport]

All a bit angry there Pete.

But having looked at R23 you do have a point. In fact it does remind me that R23 had a WOTY in the same hotel as us this year, but the week before. I was really suprised as there was no mention of it on the forum or in PP, I went back and checked. I suspect the Region is run by email list, or telepathy, as it is not at all obvious how things are organised, but there must be things happening.

 

[tref]

I stand to be corrected, but I believe that R23 doesn't have an RO at the moment. I have been to two or three of their meetings and met a great bunch of people... but it does raise the question, who are "They" that should be responding to emails, posting in Porsche Post and on the forum etc, given these circumstances?