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Track S2/968 mutant review

Peter Empson

PCGB Member
Apart from the occasional blat I've not had much time for fun in 944s recently, so when the opportunity arose today I thought I'd write a few words (which in the end became quite a lot of words).

I'd only dropped into RPM at short notice this morning for them to have a quick look at a cold start problem on my 944S. Whilst I was there Ollie asked if I'd like to give their latest track car a go, I couldn't think of a polite way to say "do bears defecate in the woods" so settled on a simple 'yes please'.

Moments later I was sat in one of the comfy Recaro bucket seats that had been retrimmed in pinstripe to match the doors cards (which is much more tasteful than it sounds). The original 3 point belt made life easy although the half cage behind me reminded me of the cars intentions.

The centre piece of this car was that in place of the S2 engine nestled a well sorted 968 lump. But the mods go far beyond this as I'll try to cover below (but even then I'm only skimming the full spec).

I always hate the first few moments of a drive in a strange car, especially one where you have high expectations and where the owner is sat next to you, partly in case you have to think of something nice to have to say but also in case you do something silly like stall or more embarrassingly jolt up the road in a flurry of unintentional wheel spin.

I shouldn't have worried, this felt like a very well sorted 944 and a very docile and manageable one at that. First impressions where that the steering was light, so was the clutch, the former undoubtedly due to the large amounts of negative camber, the latter probably because being new it was the opposite of the well used ones in my cars. The gear change was a real joy too, no short shift here but the new bushes meant it had great feel and was simply a joy to use. In fact as almost everything on the car was fresh it had a tightness to it that made it feel like a new car and not one that was in fact two decades old.

Due to my woeful sense of direction the test route was a bit longer than intended, taking in all sorts of road surfaces and everything from country lanes to fast A roads. The roads were wet and dense patches of fog lurked on the longer straights so I wasn't going to be able to push on too much, but given that these should be the least suitable conditions to try a track car on I think it was a pretty stern test.

Of all the KW equipped 944s I've been in this felt the most complete, I suspect it's in part thanks to the poly bushes that are everywhere, I struggle to describe it but I'll simply say there was a great sense of 'togetherness' to the way the car reacted to the road. The damping is very firm but the ride was never harsh - remarkable given how low it rides on those black crackle finished wheels. Ollie suggested that he had considered changing to solid top mounts but I couldn't help thinking this might spoil the suppleness. The car was also silent on its suspension, unlike the cacophonous racket made by my white car.

Whilst I couldn't really lean on the car in the corners I was determined to try to get a feel for what the Quaife diff was doing as this is high on my 'to do' list for my own car. I tried being slightly aggressive coming out of a roundabout but the tail steadfastly stayed where it should have despite the slick conditions, even with the steering wiggled on exit to try to gently unsettle it. It was clearly going to take a slightly more determined approach, so the next roundabout I had the taps opened much earlier and the tail slipped a few degrees - completely controllably and served to give me greater confidence given the conditions.

I haven't mentioned the engine yet, the thing that I expected to be the most memorable aspect of the car. It's so long since I've driven a standard S2 that it's difficult to compare, but I have no doubt that the car is producing the 250 bhp that it was recently mapped at. It had a great top end and felt very responsive and alive, the mapping is clearly very good with no flat spots, being equally happy to plod through villages at 2k rpm as it is chasing the red line once out in the country.

I suppose I was expecting a near no compromise track day monster, and I have no doubt it will lap very quickly, but what surprised me was how completely useable and easy to drive it is. It was quiet, refined and comfortable, in fact I'd have no qualms about using it everyday and as an only car it is quite possibly the most complete dual purpose '944' I can think of. The car is for sale (I've nicked a pic from the advert below) and must be amongst the more expensive 944s on the market, but it must also be one of the most complete for its intended role and having done the sums can't help thinking that it actually offers good value.

Lastly I must say a big thank you to Ollie for trusting me in his latest toy.

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Praise indeed Peter [:)] It must handle very well indeed as you are used to a beast that corners on rails already (albeit with a little more noise than this one [;)] ). I know that Darren and Oli at RPM prep cars to a high standard and have a great reputation so it should be bolted together well.

I'm not sure of light metallic gold being a good starter for a track car but barring a full respray there is not much more you can do than add decals and stickers. It certainly looks different and it would be nice to see if they tempt someone to part with £17000
 
Once the stickers are removed it will be a great sleeper, no one will expect it to go as well as it does. I have to admit I've always been quite partial to this very eighties shade of gold, a neighbour owned an early lux in a similar colour and I suspect this was the car that got me hooked into 944s.

I didn't look at the body work but assume it's all solid so a respray would be bit of a shame, but that or a wrap must be a possibility if you want something a bit more obvious.
 
ORIGINAL: Diver944

it would be nice to see if they tempt someone to part with £17000

[:-][:-] I had to find the ad just to check that you hadn't misread the price...

Looks hideous btw, particularly with the black stickers, which will make it much harder for RPM to sell. I would have thought you're right in the territory of a v nice 968CS there, which will also hold its value much better.

I'd rather have this
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2225567.htm



 
Nice review. I have to say RPM are turning out some impressive cars quietly. A previous turbo of theirs still remains probably the best handling 944 I've been in. I had to question whether the driver had completely lost his mind at first when he entered the first roundabout in the wet at a speed I would usually reserve for warm tires on a very dry day, but the car just turned. Stuck fast. Very impressive!

It was obviously an extremely well put together car but it's a pity that when I saw it it had been well used and was in need of quite a bit of work to bring it back.
 
£17K.. Flippin heck , its GOT to be special at that price.
You could get a well sorted ex 968 race car for less than that.....
Nice report though pete....Keep taking the tablets...[;)][;)]
 

ORIGINAL: Big Dave

£17K.. Flippin heck , its GOT to be special at that price.

I wish the ad had a bit more info about the work and mods done - specifically shocks and brakes. Do you have any more info Peter?
 
ORIGINAL: Big Dave

£17K.. Flippin heck , its GOT to be special at that price.
You could get a well sorted ex 968 race car for less than that.....
Nice report though pete....Keep taking the tablets...[;)][;)]

you mean, like the one on the link I posted? [:D]

[disclaimer to say that I have no idea if it's a good one, but any race car with decent prep should be a much better proposition than a converted road car]
 
Hi Ed, fair point, but I suspect it'll be a reasonable amount quicker than most 968s as it should be lighter (and prettier [;)]). The stickers do make the car stand out, but its been run at a few trackdays so they want to make it rather obvious (it'll be at Oulton this weekend along with their new boxster race car for example).

What's easy to miss with this car is that it has had everything you could wish for done, the engine is fresh and sorted for example, it's not perhaps the sort of project that you or I would buy to develop over a few years, it's a turnkey showcase as to what is possible that you can get into and drive flat out at the ring or down to the shops without having to do a single thing to it.

I haven't the foggiest whether it will sell at the price it's up for, but have little doubt that the job sheet shows where the money has gone, having worked out what it'd cost to build my car again (a figure I'm never likely to be daft enough to write down) I doubt it's really over priced for what you get.

As for complete spec i will have to check with Ollie, the suspension was KW, the ARBs M030 968, I was told about the brakes but was busy driving at the time, but I'm sure he said they were 944 turbo discs (so probably a 250T setup).

Btw is anyone else having problem posting on the forum, it only seems to work for me occasionally.
 
Darren at RPM kindly emailed me with the spec of the car

-Tuned 968 engine, rolling road remapped, resulting in 253bhp, inc belts/major service
-KW Variant 3 suspension, fast road geo settings, fully poly bushes suspension
-968 M030 ARBs
-Quaife LSD, rebushed gear linkage
-928GTS Brakes, braided hoses and new steel lines
-Recaro Pole Position seats. Rear roll cage. Genuine Porsche Club Sport Steering wheel.
-In-Car video and GPS system.
-Genuine Cup 2 wheels and option of road or track tyres.
-New clutch

He also sent me the picture below which I think better reflects the look of the car in the flesh
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Scotty.
You obviously havnt modified one of these cars to this level then have you....[8|][8|][8|]
They dont come cheap...If you think you could get all these mods done for £3K then i wish you well.
If the engine has been rebuilt, itd cost you over £3K just for that.....
BUT,£17K for a modded 944 is still way too much....
 
You have realised this has a 968 engine in it haven't you Scotty? The engine swap alone could consume a lot of man hours (I speak from experience of course...).

Here's how I would think about it, if I wanted to build the same spec of car I'd guess I'd be looking at something like the following (assumign I paid a garage to do the work for me):

S2 in superb good condition (ex engine) £3k
968 engine £1.5k
engine swap £2.5k
Belts, full service £1k
LSD and fitment £1k
Clutch 0.5k
Suspension £3k
Rolling road remap 0.4K
Brake upgrade, refurb, etc £1.5k+
Cup wheels and tyres £1k
half cage ex fitment 0.5K
Recaro seats £1k
Video/gps system ? (I have seen this in operation of one of their other cars, it's an amazing bit of kit)
Club sport steering wheel 0.2k (might be more, not sure)

I've missed off the smaller items and am probably off on a few numbers (in both directions, I'm a bit out of touch with parts prices at the moment) but after a couple of minutes thinking I'm in a similar ball park to the price of the car. Remember this car is ready to go, has a warranty and so on.

Whatever you think of the price I can assure you that RPM are not jokers.
 

ORIGINAL: Peter Empson
S2 in superb good condition (ex engine) £3k
968 engine £1.5k
engine swap £2.5k
Belts, full service £1k
LSD and fitment £1k
Clutch 0.5k
Suspension £3k
Rolling road remap 0.4K
Brake upgrade, refurb, etc £1.5k+
Cup wheels and tyres £1k
half cage ex fitment 0.5K
Recaro seats £1k
Video/gps system ? (I have seen this in operation of one of their other cars, it's an amazing bit of kit)
Club sport steering wheel 0.2k (might be more, not sure)
Have to say, the most depressing thing about that list is the fact that parts prices for things like steering wheels are being listed in the thousands of pounds. Admittedly, a fraction of thousands, but still, seeing "steering wheel £0.2k" and "clutch £0.5k" is a depressing sight.

Sounds like a superb car Peter. Worlds away from the "average" S2, but aimed at a completely different market. To use it as an everyday road car would be to completely waste it.


Oli.
 
Scotty wrote:
"I still dont see how they get to £17k ! £4k for the car and maybe £3k max for the suspension and mods. Jokers ! "

The 'base car' is my old S2 which was in fantastic condition bodily and mechanically, and regularly did very well in PCGB Regional Concours, when RMP bought it from me (p/x £3,750 against my 993 and sold straightaway for in excess of £6,000) in 2009. It was initially modded for some track use but I believe that the (low mileage) engine suffered terminal failure, resulting in the 968 transplant.

Even in today's market, the un-modded car would have been worth somewhat more than the £4,000 suggested by Scotty.

Linen metallic is not everyone's top choice of colour but I thought that it was great. It is one of those strange pearlescent colours that appears gold, silvery, or grey depending on the light, and is classed as grey by the DVLA. I agree that the decals are horrendous but then they are on there for the car to be noticed on the track which it certainly will be.
 
I wondered if the solid castor mounts on my car were generating a lot of road noise. Have you got solid castors on your car Pete, I noticed your comments about Ollies idea to change to solid mounts and how it might remove a lot of the suppleness. I would sacrifice some handling for less road noise, It doesn't sound like Ollies car was sufferenig without the solid castor mounts anyway.
 
I hadn't realised this was your old car Christopher, it's condition is a testmanent to the way you must have looked after it.
 

ORIGINAL: Peter Empson
I hadn't realised this was your old car Christopher, it's condition is a testmanent to the way you must have looked after it.
I'll second that comment. Must be interesting, knowing that your ex-P&J has been made into something so impressive!


Oli.
 
The car in that new picture does look mean but the decals still suck [;)]

I still think the price reflects the cost of the build + a bit of a mark up rather than a true market value. Quite often links to modded cars appear here or on the PH forums where the vendor clearly thinks that the money he has spent equates to the cars subsequent value and folk rightly point out that this generally is not the case (sometimes rather less politely than that). Certainly if I sold my car I would not expect it to (sadly) reach the price of a late standard car plus the cost of all the mods. £17k for a 250bhp S2 with KW suspension is just taking the proverbial whatever its condition imho.

 

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