Turbo Cup value

wjk_glynn · Jul 12, 2006

ORIGINAL: TTM

ORIGINAL: sawood12
Didn't Tiff Needel race in the 944 turbo cup series?

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He did race a modified 944 turbo in some British Motorsport but not in the Cup series.

I thought the 944 Turbo Cup series only ran in Germany, France, South Africa and Canada. I don't think there was one in the UK. - and if I'm wrong, can someone please correct me.

Just as a reference, the 944 Turbo Cup champions over the years were:

Germany
(1986) Joachim Winkelhock
(1987) Roland Asch
(1988) Roland Asch
(1989) Roland Asch

France
(1987) RenÃ© Metge
(1988) AndrÃ© Bourdon
(1989) Michel Maisonneuve
(1990) Michel Maisonneuve

South Africa
(1988) Toby Venter
(1989) Sarel van der Merwe

Canada
(1988) Scott Goodyear
(1989) Richard Spenard
(1990) Richard Spenard

Note that the Germany '86 season was run with the first generation (220 hp) Turbo Cup cars. All other years & seasons ran with the 2nd generation cars (250 hp).

Karl.

Indi9xx · Jul 12, 2006

interesting thread. It seems a lot of people are speculating in the sub 20k band, which is probably correct.

We are trying to trace its history at the moment, but are resolved that it might not have even ever seen a track. There are signs that it was used as a road car for a spell in france prior to it being dry stored, but again its all a bit of a mystery.

Anyone in france know if its possible to trace a cars history over there with the authorities? such as a print out of previous owners?

I am waiting to hear back from the Porsche archives about who brought the car in the first place.

944Turbo · Jul 13, 2006

Didn't tiffany race a cab?
Tony

wjk_glynn · Jul 13, 2006

ORIGINAL: Indi9xx

interesting thread. It seems a lot of people are speculating in the sub 20k band, which is probably correct.

We are trying to trace its history at the moment, but are resolved that it might not have even ever seen a track. There are signs that it was used as a road car for a spell in france prior to it being dry stored, but again its all a bit of a mystery.

Anyone in france know if its possible to trace a cars history over there with the authorities? such as a print out of previous owners?

I am waiting to hear back from the Porsche archives about who brought the car in the first place.

Sebastien Candela has an excellent site on the French Turbo Cup series. See http://www.asarus.com/cup/index.shtml

He even maintains a sort of registry: http://www.asarus.com/cup/recensement.shtml

If anyone can help, he can.

Karl.

TTM · Jul 13, 2006

ORIGINAL: wjk_glynn
I thought the 944 Turbo Cup series only ran in Germany, France, South Africa and Canada. I don't think there was one in the UK. - and if I'm wrong, can someone please correct me.

Yes, whence the car Needell raced in the UK was "just" a modified late 944 turbo and not a factory Cup car

Davyboy · Jul 13, 2006

It's worth what someone is prepared to pay....and I'm prepared to swap my 944 Turbo road car for it.

Dave

Fen · Jul 13, 2006

Damn! That trumps my £3,500 offer (which I'm willing to stand by - I can even collect tomorrow [

]) I guess.

hawkhead · Jul 14, 2006

I looked at Cup cars for a while. Originality and provenance are important and some have been badly crashed

For comparison this one was immaculate with original paint and livery

IIRC he wanted about £16k but I could not get to Sweden before someone else snapped it up

(The proper mag wheels were being stored)

944Turbo · Jul 14, 2006

Hi David,
Long time no post, coincidentially we have all just been discussing your old car with seats and a radio now back in it on Titanic - hope you are well.
That cup car may be the one Anders (from Sweden) on Rennlist owns It looks V similar,
Tony

Melv · Jul 15, 2006

Mika's 964 Cup Car with a first at Monaco and Hungaroring was sold in the US two or three years ago for 80,000..........Sterling!!![

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wjk_glynn · Jul 16, 2006

ORIGINAL: Melv

Mika's 964 Cup Car with a first at Monaco and Hungaroring was sold in the US two or three years ago for 80,000..........Sterling!!![][][]

That car was built in 1992. HÃ¤kkinen, Gardner and Ham drove it in the 1993-Supercup series. The next year, Eberle and MÃ¼ller drove it in the Carrera Cup series.

In 2000, Fran Cosentino purchased the car with the help of FVD. Willy Brombacher (owner of FVD) sourced it for him. The car went through a ground up restoration at FVD's US operations in Florida. In late 2003, Cosentino still had it but I didn't know that he sold it on.

Do you know who has it now?

Karl.

hotblack944 · Aug 16, 2006

ORIGINAL: Indi9xx
Anyone care to speculate on the value of an original 944 turbo cup.

$75,000?

random hero · Aug 22, 2006

ORIGINAL: 944Turbo

Didn't tiffany race a cab?
Tony

Not sure about tiff but steve kelvin ran a class B 944 s2 cabby,tiff ran a 'works 944 turbo in 88 (number 38). i also found out that in 1981 porsche ran a turbocharged twin cam 944 disguised as a 924GTP in le man ,any body know anything about this car ???

iainfuller · Aug 22, 2006

The ex Tiff Neddell car was for sale at a garage near me a couple of years ago - from memory the asking price was about £16,995 and it took a while to sell - don't know if that was a reflection of the car or Tiff! The advert did say it could be restored to road going trim suggesting it was in a fairly standard state of tune. However, Michael Cotton's 924/944/968 collectors guide also suggests that the turbo cup cars were relatively standard cars with some trim removed and roll cages fitted they ran at 220 or 250 bhp and even retained the catalytic convertors.

The 924GTP was driven by Walter Rohrl and Juergen Barth to overall 7th place at Le Mans in 1981 and also won a trophy for least time spent in the pits (56 minutes). The car ran a 2.5 litre 16 valve turbo engine featurung balancer shafts and produced 420bhp - a test bed for the new 944 model which was yet to be announced.

I really need to get out more!

random hero · Aug 23, 2006

Noticed you are from redcar ,what car do you drive as i might have seen you ,who had tiffs car for sale ??

Guest · Aug 23, 2006

ORIGINAL: sawood12

Didn't Tiff Needel race in the 944 turbo cup series? I seem to remember a 5th gear episode with him taking a trip down memory lane in a 944 turbo happily reminicing about his 944 turbo race days and ending his peice on the car by saying "I want one again..."

I remember seeing that episode, hoping it'll come up on youtube at some point

Fen · Aug 23, 2006

It's on my web space www.coulls.plus.com, but I can't download it. It may work for you, but if not I apologise but I don't have time to try to fix it right now.

hawkhead · Aug 24, 2006

ORIGINAL: iainfuller

However, Michael Cotton's 924/944/968 collectors guide also suggests that the turbo cup cars were relatively standard cars with some trim removed and roll cages fitted they ran at 220 or 250 bhp and even retained the catalytic convertors.

That's pretty far from the truth: there was no cat:

http://www.asco96.dsl.pipex.com/944t/images/cup2.JPG

and here is a list of what was changed:

wastegate
lsd
exhausts (the cup car had three different)
The cars had 305 HP and 410 Nm, via a modified DME and KLR
Max RPM 6700
magnesium sump,
Magnesium inlet manifold,
90W alternator,
stronger engine supports,
no power steering,
modified Turbo,
Bosch W 4 cc spark plugs,
no resistors in the fan circuit, meaning it goes full speed all the time,
Glued, riveted clutch disk,
modified gearbox cooling,
stronger gearbox supports,
30 mm front anti roll bar, 22 mm rear 3 way adjustable
Shocks, springs
drilled front brake discs,
switchable ABS,
Pagid S-535 brake pads,
front brake cooling ducts in place of driving lights,
8 and 9X16 Magnesium phone dial wheels,
no sound deadening,
no rear seat back,
1 driver Recaro bucket, 1 std passenger seat,
no glove box,
no radio console,
no door pockets,
no climate control (...),
no lighting for engine compartment or glovebox,
manual windows,
no rear wiper,
no rear hatch release,
no inner fender liners, except RF for ABS circuit,
rolled lips on 4 fenders,
thinner windshield,
honeycomb sandwich front hood, aluminum prop,
shock tower brace,
reinforced front chassis rails,
36 Ah battery, with racing cut-off,
8 point Matter roll cage

Empty (no fuel) weight 1160 Kgs, about 2550 Lbs