Wanted - 944 Turbo S (Silver Rose)

[T3rra]

The seats in the red car are 993 seats where in some 968 as well.

952 should mean 250 output not S and S should be without sun roof, however there's a candy red car that's an S with a sunroof and my 88 250 turbo full S spec has a sunroof as well.

Was told S has a code on the sticker ?

 

[944 man]

The answer is: M758

M758 is the Turbo S option code. If it s says M758 it is a 1988 Turbo S (1988 Turbo SE here, according to Porsche Cars GB) and if the build sticker (a copy of which is on page 3 of the service book) doesnt list M758 then it isnt a Turbo S.

 

[PAUL RUDDY]

ORIGINAL: 944 man

The answer is: M758

M758 is the Turbo S option code. If it s says M758 it is a 1988 Turbo S (1988 Turbo SE here, according to Porsche Cars GB) and if the build sticker (a copy of which is on page 3 of the service book) doesnt list M758 then it isnt a Turbo S.

Thanks for this, also spoke to Frenchy who confirmed the above from his Turbo S paperwork.

Have asked the seller of the cheaper red one to supply the details from the sticker in the book, however looking at the photos in detail the panel gaps look all over the place where the drivers wing, headlamp and badge panel meet, the badge panel doesn't seem to be pushed back far enough and the wing gap seems to run off along the bonnet length.

Cheers, Paul

 

[GlennS]

The serial number ranges for the Turbo S chassis and engine are listed in the "up to 1988" PET document. Were I buying a Turbo S as a classic "investment" (and paying the Turbo S premium) I'd want to be sure that the engine and chassis serial numbers were in the correct range []

 

[MartinRS2K]

Thanks for all the information lads. The Red one I'm looking at is starting to look like it has been apart and changed quite a lot.

Most of this is easily fixable but will cost money which in turn reflects what the car may be worth?

10 speaker door cards missing
Wrong front seats
No sure if it is a split rear seat (waiting for a picture)
Gear knob - easy swap
Steering wheel - easy swap
Wrong wheels - easy swap
Wrong wing mirrors and door handles - easy swap
Clear indicators front and rear - replace with originals
Back bumper insert painted red- removed and replace or paint black
Turbo S badge - remove S
Clock dials white - take back to standard

presuming the body is as good as described and the service is all correct, would you still consider this car or leave it and wait for a car that is correct? [/]

 

[PAUL RUDDY]

I think body condition and genuine S is the priority, everything else is simple bolt on/off parts, a weeks graft would have that back to original spec.

Definitely an easier project than fitting new sills and wings.

Paul

 

[TTM]

ORIGINAL: 944 man

The answer is: M758

M758 is the Turbo S option code. If it s says M758 it is a 1988 Turbo S (1988 Turbo SE here, according to Porsche Cars GB) and if the build sticker (a copy of which is on page 3 of the service book) doesnt list M758 then it isnt a Turbo S.

No.

I saw at least two Silver Rose 1988 944TS that did not have the M758 code on the sticker. They were LHD though.

Let's say that a sticker featuring M758 will necessarily be from a 944 turbo S, but some of them definitely did not have it mentioned.
I seem to remember that the cars without M758 showed M030 and M220, while M030 and M220 was not necessarily mentioned on others showing M758.

More relevant is engine stamping which should show both J (1988) and M44/52 (250bhp), which should reflect on the sticker : VIN including J and "951 052" stamped below.
As for the shell it should be J (1988) and feature the triangular strengtheners between front members and strut towers.

 

[George Elliott]

No.

Agreed, I know a J chassis code (1988), with "turbo S" in the V5 UK Reg Doc, is Red / Black Sports 8 way & split rear seat, no sunroof, 10 speaker, diff, wheels, 928 brakes, M44/52, M030, but has not build code M758

The TTM definition AND the 944man definition are both correct in my opinion.

Martin, the bling'd car was "your car" and money no object it could be again. I'll throw an idea to you at risk of going off at a tangent. There is a Safire Blue, 1986, 220 car, non-ABS, for sale on the forum with a diff. Its far more original and I think if you drove it - the less is more appeal may ignite. Its lighter weight, better made in terms of original forged rods and maybe a bit longer in the etch primer tank at the factory (IMO) but it has a sunroof as they all did in UK spec. It has a proper spare wheel too. (ever tried collapsing a space saver after inflation?[8|])

I dont know the seller, and have no axe to grind but the car strikes me as a really genuine, original one, low miles, with the benefit of an unusual colour. It will appreciate in value - you heard it here []

At the end of the day, the turbo Cup ran for '86, 87, 88, 89, and then changed to the Carrera Cup when the 911 lost its torsion bars [], so they are all Cup Cars at heart.

Just a thought

good luck
George
944t

 

[T3rra]

Most things should replace them selfs cost wise.

Cup mirrors. Sell easy £250
Rear lense and fronts + sides £120
Front seat will sell but finding good black sport seat expect 2 pay £600 +

Front door cards and speacker set up, Iv just sold mine. But I would expect £300 +
Wheels £600 2 find good forged cs

Gear nob easy, cheap £20 black leather gattier real Porsche one will cost more.

So I would say it will cost £1500/2000 if you can't do the work yourself.

Mileage is high. Wheels will have caused unnessery wear

Its look clean recently resparyed, which can be a + or - depending on how well it was done, MIT look clean now but could chip and mark easly be hinding lots off wear/ dent and filler.

At 12k it don't rule out cost free running.

But its red and no sunroof.

 

[944 man]

ORIGINAL: TTM
I seem to remember that the cars without M758 showed M030 and M220, while M030 and M220 was not necessarily mentioned on others showing M758.

Yes, I havent seen one for a long time Tom, but my one of a thousand car had M758 with no mention of the other option numbers that M758 replaced (M220, M030, M437/8 etc).

I have always believed, but I am not certain, that cars which are otherwise identified as Turbo Ss but which dont show M758 on the build sheet were the 1000 - 1600 cars, many of which were Rose Silver.

This said though, M758 is still the best positive way to identify the cars, but not having this option doesnt mean that an otherwise qualifying car (MY'88, no sun roof, SilberRose, correct trim (colour and trim not essential and S/ marginal), wheels, chassis, engine/turbo etc) is not a Turbo S, if you see what I mean. []

 

[Eldavo]

I seem to remember the VIN has to be within a certain range for a Turbo S but for the life of me I can't find the link I had to what the range should be.

Mine is a Turbo S with a Vin in range, here's the sales invoice:

 

[George Elliott]

David, Nice to see the Original bill of sale, you still got the turbo wing decal fitted?

new post on rennlist, "low mileage 944 turbo S on the market"


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its a clinker, but its not a European S as we know 'em

George
944t

 

[Eldavo]

And every piece of paper since.

Yes, Turbo decal still on the wing but not the original one (wing or decal)

 

[944 man]

Ive seen your car before Dave, and wondered then too, why someone would choose a similar but lesser colour for a Turbo S. There surely cant be two Zermatt Turbo Ss?

 

[Eldavo]

Zermatt Silver is the new black Dahling dontchaknow (none of this pinky nonsense)

After my 76k mile immaculate 2.7 I've rebelled with the 185k turbo. Well, the previous custodian hadn't done a great job as the car languished on eBay for a long time in its half-arsed track spec, but quite a few hours of work and £££££ has got her looking respectable again.

Strangely, being aware of how much of a rarity I own affects my choices with the car. The window switches have been relocated and all the speakers, etc. removed but I've preserved all the wiring and have actually bought original bits that I don't intend to use but have squirrelled away for if my custodianship should ever end. That said, the car has had both sills done, a full respray, replacement panels and is on at least it's third windscreen.

When I've finished the cosmetic side in a month or so I'll roll the dice and get a PCGB valuation - until then ill just say "pampered"

 

[GlennS]

ORIGINAL: Eldavo

I seem to remember the VIN has to be within a certain range for a Turbo S but for the life of me I can't find the link I had to what the range should be.

Mine is a Turbo S with a Vin in range

They're listed in MY88 PET along with the engine serials...

 

[MartinRS2K]

So just to add some confusion to this [:-]

I have been sent the VIL for the Red Turbo S that is a Turbo S on the V5

It says

Engine Code : 51 AOR
L3MA

Options : 030. 220. 288. 383. 387. 462. 490. 573. 593. 605. 946

No Split Rear
No 758 Turbo S code

But has

slip Diff
M030
Sekuriflex Glass
HiFi
Sports Seats in leather
Air Conditioning
ABS

And no sunroof

 

[edh]

ORIGINAL: 944 man

Ive seen your car before Dave, and wondered then too, why someone would choose a similar but lesser colour for a Turbo S. There surely cant be two Zermatt Turbo Ss?

Chris Grahame has one

 

[Diver944]

ORIGINAL: MartinRS2K

Engine Code : 51 AOR

Surely if it's engine code 51 then it's a 220 car that has some nice options.

A 250 bhp car will have an engine code of 52. What was the date of first registration for this car and what is the 10th digit of the chassis number? It should be a 'J' if it's a 1988 S

 

[PAUL RUDDY]

ORIGINAL: Diver944

ORIGINAL: MartinRS2K

Engine Code : 51 AOR

Surely if it's engine code 51 then it's a 220 car that has some nice options.

A 250 bhp car will have an engine code of 52. What was the date of first registration for this car and what is the 10th digit of the chassis number? It should be a 'J' if it's a 1988 S

I've seen a scan of the logbook (V5) of this car, the chassis number 10th digit is J and the engine number is in the correct range for a Turbo S, its engine number is a lower one than Eldavos, the car was reg'd October 88 and does state Turbo S as model.

The 51 engine code ??

Cheers, Paul