Wanted - 944 Turbo S (Silver Rose)
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MartinRS2K
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Just been catching up on this thread and it seems to me that there is no exact rules when it comes to the VIL details.
What does seem to be correct (I may be wrong) is that the Silver Rose cars all had the M758 Option on the VIL but if a customer ordered the car in a different colour then the Dealer may have arrived at the same spec by adding the individual options rather than the M758 option due to the differences in body colour and interior colour/fabric??
The most important thing seems to be the engine number and chassis number falling into the correct range and the car having the correct bits fitted to the car.
The hunt is continuing and I have already been in discussion with a few people regarding available cars [
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What does seem to be correct (I may be wrong) is that the Silver Rose cars all had the M758 Option on the VIL but if a customer ordered the car in a different colour then the Dealer may have arrived at the same spec by adding the individual options rather than the M758 option due to the differences in body colour and interior colour/fabric??
The most important thing seems to be the engine number and chassis number falling into the correct range and the car having the correct bits fitted to the car.
The hunt is continuing and I have already been in discussion with a few people regarding available cars [
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This one seems right up your street. Certainly would have been on my drive if funds permitted, but given the calibre of the car and dealership, I assume if you have to ask the price...
http://www.historika.com/car-sales/1989-Porsche-944-Turbo-S/6428.htm
Been up for a while, looks good. Non-sports seats corresponds with some of the Silver Roses I've seen, however with one owner from new you'd be able to get the full story pretty easily I'd imagine.
Of course, no affiliation with the seller.
http://www.historika.com/car-sales/1989-Porsche-944-Turbo-S/6428.htm
Been up for a while, looks good. Non-sports seats corresponds with some of the Silver Roses I've seen, however with one owner from new you'd be able to get the full story pretty easily I'd imagine.
Of course, no affiliation with the seller.
MartinRS2K
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This was the car I was ready to go and buy until I spoke to the dealer who sneeringly told me that I knew nothing and the car was a Turbo S and what I was after is a Silver Rose. I told him his car was the later Turbo SE and if he could check the V5 to clarify what it said.
After a brief conversation I said no thanks [8|]
George Elliott
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quote 944man - "My understanding is that there arent any of the original 1,000 car production run in anything other than SilberRose and that it is these cars which carry the M758 option identification. Later cars being built to spec but with leeway over colours and trim and not carrying the M758 identification" quote
I think this may be the precise definition, I know the Red / Black example Turbo S which I referred to which did not carry a M758 code was outside the 1000 chassis no range.
Its interesting that M758 seem to have split rears & 8 way cloth comfort seats, but non-M758 may have 4 way Sports Seats with or without split rears.
George
944t
I think this may be the precise definition, I know the Red / Black example Turbo S which I referred to which did not carry a M758 code was outside the 1000 chassis no range.
Its interesting that M758 seem to have split rears & 8 way cloth comfort seats, but non-M758 may have 4 way Sports Seats with or without split rears.
George
944t
George Elliott
New member
quote - As I commented earlier you could find a Silver Rose turbo S without M758 on the sticker. - quote
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sorry TTM
George
944t
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George
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George Elliott
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Magnesium...? what do you mean Tony, on the Baltic car or Zermatt car?
Only the ACTUAL [] cup cars employed Magnesium including the intake manifold IIRC
George
944t
Only the ACTUAL [
] cup cars employed Magnesium including the intake manifold IIRCGeorge
944t
pauljmcnulty
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Just skim-reading all of this, but if there is so much controversy over what is a real "silver rose" 944, including dealers who don't have a clue apparently, isn't there an argument that only the cars in the "proper" colour and trim will ever command the really good money in the long-term?
If it's a collector's car, it needs to fit the "perceived" idea of the perfect turbo s, as much as the reality, perhaps? [8|]
If it's a collector's car, it needs to fit the "perceived" idea of the perfect turbo s, as much as the reality, perhaps? [8|]
944 man
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Make no mistake, Id be happy if my 1988 Turbo was one of the continuation Turbo S cars, but the facts remain that their value isn't as likely to keep up. What fate will befall the continuation SilberRose cars Im less sure of, as few people will appreciate the difference over the shorter term.
Except the 1000 cars are less attractive to many as most/all are pink with a garish interior! If they offered a meaningfull performance advantage I for one could look past it, but as there is effectively no difference I would prefer a nicer colour combo which is what I did buy back in 2000 and would do again. (assuming condition being equal)
Tony
The collector car market is very fickle as we all know and oddities within a certain marque can command a premium.
Take for example the original Ford Escort RS Turbo, only available in white .....except Ford made two black ones by special orders, highly highly sought after and both in the hands of collectors. The MK2 RS1800, again a very limited production run, 109 road cars, all white, except two in red from the factory, one a press car which was written off, the other is in a friends garage on the South coast.
When it comes to collectibles, would I have one that 999 people could have the same or one that only a possible few exist in colour/trim , the latter for me.
Cheers, Paul
Take for example the original Ford Escort RS Turbo, only available in white .....except Ford made two black ones by special orders, highly highly sought after and both in the hands of collectors. The MK2 RS1800, again a very limited production run, 109 road cars, all white, except two in red from the factory, one a press car which was written off, the other is in a friends garage on the South coast.
When it comes to collectibles, would I have one that 999 people could have the same or one that only a possible few exist in colour/trim , the latter for me.
Cheers, Paul
TTM
Well-known member
I once saw a Champagne '88 turbo S, with a blue/green full cloth seat pattern with inner door panels and all, instead of the usual pink/red cloth.
It was very very nice (well, to me at least), and I would value such a colour combination on an original '88 turbo S way more than the usual pink colour scheme.
My Alpine white '90 came with the same full cloth blue/green interior and I carefully stored the original beautiful seats.
Maybe it would be worth looking for a low mileage '88 turbo S with such a rare colour combination.
It was very very nice (well, to me at least), and I would value such a colour combination on an original '88 turbo S way more than the usual pink colour scheme.
My Alpine white '90 came with the same full cloth blue/green interior and I carefully stored the original beautiful seats.
Maybe it would be worth looking for a low mileage '88 turbo S with such a rare colour combination.
MartinRS2K
Active member
I agree with you Paul that the Original silver Rose cars should be more easily recognised and therefore there will be less dispute regarding their authenticity and in turn they will become collectable.
I also agree with what Ruddy is saying in that the 'one off' cars that were Special Orders from Porsche Dealers may need more checking to discover their proper pedigree, but once proven these will also be collectable so long as the chassis/engine numbers match the Turbo S range.
also if you can get a colour/trim combination that is more appealing to you then even better [
]Most important to me will be firstly the condition, then it's history, then the mileage and finally the colour combination.
pauljmcnulty
Active member
As a 944, yes; I agree with you totally. An un-modified turbo S wouldn't be giving it's best, so save the money and buy a well-sorted "ordinary" turbo if you want to drive it regularly.
I'm thinking about the collectors, not the drivers here. If it's a "silver rose", to give it it's more widely-used name, that is going to sit for years clocking up near-zero miles, and being kept totally orignal, and increase most in value, it needs to be the "expected" colour combo.
Buying an immaculate SR with low mileage for £15K-plus, then sticking 30K a year on it and modifying it to 350 BHP with a cage and KWs, won't be the best way to preserve it's value [&:]. By the same token, buying an SR that causes all these discussions because the colour isn't what you'd expect, might not be the best investment over the long term? I can't say, but it would be my instinct that when there are only two left in perfect condition, the pink/tartan one will be the more desirable to a collector with the necessary deep pockets.
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