Wanted - 944 Turbo S (Silver Rose)

[MartinRS2K]

ORIGINAL: Lowtimer

As Franchy hints, you might find one of the very few surviving Silver Rose cars for sale that has not been used up or left out in the rain. You might also find a good late 250 hp 944 Turbo in red.

But to find an actual Turbo S, in red, that's all mint and original, *and* for sale... well... I strongly suspect that it's arithmetically impossible. A Silver Rose car should be possible if you are prepared to wait and to bid high. A later 250 hp Turbo in red, that should be possible too.

Red isn't an essential condition is more important along with mileage and history . I have a low mileage Turbo but want a Turbo S to go with it []

 

[MartinRS2K]

ORIGINAL: _ian

eporsch have one but probably doesn't meet your criteria on miles. http://www.eporsch.co.uk/944TSilverRose.htm
The colour scheme is probably an acquired taste. Not sure that I'd have ordered a car with that colour scheme when new. Suppose it's like the Panamera, horrific to look at but a superb car to drive or be a passenger in.

Seen this but it has had sills and quite a bit of work doe to it. Not for me!

 

[Frenchy]

Last 2 from Gmund went to Australia for the asking.


Martin 1635 cars produced worldwide, 1000 cars were Silverose colour and the rest were customer order colours, do the math !
There are circa only 47 Turbo S cars registered left in the UK.
The guy who provided most of the cars for the 944 feature in Porsche and 911 World magazine feature in December had one for sale which was a project car (silverose colour) the one Alasdair has for sale was Steve Cox's old car high miles but looked after but it sat for 2 years and again will need time and money if you really want one, i nearly bought it but for various reasons did not, a ropy one will be a money pit...................good luck.
Remember they are 88 model year M758 Option, Non Sunroof, M030 Chassis, split rear seats,and Sekurit windscreen double not triple laminate, which is lighter (NLA) 10 speaker pack should have Turbo S on the logbook.
Keep us posted []

 

[MartinRS2K]

ORIGINAL: pauljmcnulty

There are cars that have been well-stored, excessively serviced and maintained, and are still in near-showroom condition. Most, however, aren't. I guess it's a hard decision between buying one of the "museum" cars, or getting a sound one and restoring it. What you'll never replace is genuine low miles and owners, if that's what you want, and originality.

I agree with Simon that you're arguably better with a "project", and a fairly bottomless budget, than an "average" 944. As I found with mine; it was in far better condition than the Lux, but after three years it was in worse shape body-wise, and had swallowed up £000s in mechanical work. It still needs a HG, suspension overhaul, I could go on...[&o]

In hindsight, spending £5K on restoring the Lux would have given me a near-perfect car. Including the cost to buy, the S2 has cost over £10K and is not nearly perfect. Looking at that cost, you start to wonder if buying a £15K or more 944 with the ultimate in collectibility is actually a more sensible route to go down!

Colour is an interesting one though. Whilst I'm not a fan of the burgundy or plaid interiors in any cars, the turbo S will always be known as the Siver Rose. If it's a low-miles concourse car you're after, might Rose Silver with the full-on interior be the only one to go for? [8|]

Hi Paul

I've highlighted a couple of areas that I totally agree on. No matter how much you restore a car you can never restore originality, mileage and history. I am happy to pay more for what I hope will be a sound investment (even though making money if I ever decide to sell it is not what it is about) as I want to buy the best car I can afford and if this means paying more upfront I'm happy with that as it will cost less in the long run.

The Silver Rose colour with Burgundy trim is not my favourite combination, but again if the car is correct the colour is less important to me.

As they say on a well known House Buying TV programme it's Condition, Condition, Condition []

 

[MartinRS2K]

ORIGINAL: MartinRS2K

I've just been told about a 1 owner 47,000 mile car that is original and could fit my bill []

Will keep you updated on my progress, but please keep information any other cars coming my way []

The car is an SE not a Silver Rose so still looking []

 

[PAUL RUDDY]

This is the one I asked the seller questions about but never get the answers back.

http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/classic-car-page/188906/1988-porsche-944/

And now listed on Ebay

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=261199407958&globalID=EBAY-GB

 

[MartinRS2K]

Nice price increase [:-]

The seats are a mess and the white one Steve Simkin had for sale is a better built car for 1/2 the money IMO

 

[T3rra]

If you want a rare 944 turbo. I meet a guy with a 86 turbo se! Yep 1/12 prototype 4 88 turbo built in 86.

Builds full boost by 2.5 in stock setup.

 

[Hilux]

ORIGINAL: _ian

eporsch have one but probably doesn't meet your criteria on miles. http://www.eporsch.co.uk/944TSilverRose.htm
The colour scheme is probably an acquired taste. Not sure that I'd have ordered a car with that colour scheme when new. Suppose it's like the Panamera, horrific to look at but a superb car to drive or be a passenger in.

944 man - him speak wisely [8|]


That eporsch car has had new sills - theres no jacking point dimple in the sills that you would find in an OEM car []

 

[Frenchy]

Martin get your train ticket sorted that is a genuine 88 turbo s factor in IT WILL NEED MONEY but i appreciate where you are coming from !

 

[George Elliott]

Martin,
I agree, that is a good specimen. It has the "late S pedigree" - all the good bits, no bad bits

I think it is highly unlikely you will find the car you are after in Red in RHD UK Spec.
There will probably be a few Garage Queens in the USA if you look there, but they have Cats, Airbags, Federal side marker lights, (and probably ballast to slow them down) and are not what you would want.

The advert is a generally accurate presentation imo, the Turbo S is special and perhaps the pinnacle of 951 development.
You will see the OSF Headlamp cover is mis-aligned, and the car will need money spent to reach your standards, but the colour is right, trim is right, forged alloys are still present, it has no sunroof (and should say "turbo S") in the V5 reg doc, the miles are probably honest. If you spent the same again on it with the right specialist, you would have a cracking car.

Perhaps consider an S2 crank and a few invisible tweeks to add 100hp and keep ahead of the 320d population?

If it goes geographically north and reappears at £15k in 3 months, I will not be surprised.
Good luck with the search
George
944t

 

[GlennS]

That eporsch car looks to have had some fairly extensive restoration / paintwork done and it hasn't been done well. The nearside is missing the side rubbing strip from the front and rear wing (it's only on the door) whilst the offside is missing it from the rear wing. Also, as has already been noted, the sills have been done and not with genuine replacements (which have the jacking dimples).

edit: Also, having now looked at the photos on my colour calibrated, high colour definition monitor (as opposed to my normal monitor) the near-side door appears to be a slightly different colour.

 

[944 man]

North to North Yorkshire?

 

[andy watson]

Buchanan?

 

[MartinRS2K]

A few options so far but I'm in no rush so hopefully the right car is out there waiting []

 

[George Elliott]

Buchanan?

thats what I was thinking

 

[MartinRS2K]

Any thoughts on this car?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161006928057?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

Apart from upside down pictures it looks a nice car if a bit higher on miles than I wanted.

Wheels can be sold and CS wheels fitted
Cup Mirrors taken off and sold putting original mirrors back on
Door handles back to standard
White dials removed and taken back to standard

Did all Turbo S have a split rear seat as it diesn't look like a split rear in the pictures?

Anything else you notice would be helpful []

 

[PAUL RUDDY]

Guys, what is the definitive way of identifying a genuine Turbo S, I'm talking VIN and/or VIL label code ?

I've spoken to the guy today selling the red car that I posted links to earlier, definitely sounds like a shell that requires work to sills (bubbling) wings (bubbling at bottom) and it hasn't had belts or rollers in over five years, so will need some/lots spending on it.

I asked for details fom the VIL to confirm options, my wife took his returned call as I was driving at the time and all he told her was that "the sticker says 952 so its a genuine S"

So do we need the VIN to confirm its a genuine S ?

While I'm on, the other red S that Martin posted a link to, are those 944 front seats as the stitch pattern looks different to most 944 leather seats I've seen, are the Boxster or maybe 911 ?

Cheers, Paul

 

[scam75]

The red s looks a good car but some balloon has pimped it! The gear knob is a joke, the cs wheel is a fake, the wheels are too big and don't suit the car, the 968 mirrors and handles need to go and the stupid s removed from the boot lid. Also it's a pity it doesn't have black leather sport seats.

However, all that aside, I think it's a good car!

Stuart

 

[944 man]

ORIGINAL: PAUL RUDDY

Guys, what is the definitive way of identifying a genuine Turbo S, I'm talking VIN and/or VIL label code ?

Option code M758.

Technically a Turbo SE in England, with much confusion being caused by PCGBs altering the name from the ROTWs 'Turbo S'. What people erroneously called the 'Turbo SE' is usually the 1989> 944 Turbo. It has 250PS but its name wasnt altered...