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wanting to make a 3lt turbo

James Beaumont

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I have 2.5 turbo with a few mods but really would like to make an 3lt turbo engine, what parts would I need ?, is there an company or someone that would put together an engine for me?

James.
 
I started down that road a few years ago, got as far as getting crank bottom end and 2.7 head but then chickened out as the issue seemed to be getting them reliable. I am now just sticking with 2.5 and fitting bigger turbo and stand alone ecu etc.
 
u63af said:
I started down that road a few years ago, got as far as getting crank bottom end and 2.7 head.


I've still got those parts plus a new set of Carrillo rods and a new lindsey turbo on the shelf. But when prices have doubled or trebled for excellent original 944 turbos it didn't seem to make sense to pull out a good 2.5 engine, and chuck another £8-10k into a 3.0 that would add little to the value of the car. £10k could put a nice TVR 400 Wedge in the garage too.
 
Personally, I don't get the point of going 3ltr unless you're into racing/dragstrip events or trying to have the biggest hp figures. You can get a seriously powerful engine from the 2.5 without all of the hassle involved developing a 3ltr. Far more power than you'll ever be able to use on the road can be found in the 2.5ltr which even though it may have up to and beyond double the engine's original power output it will still feel like a 944's free revving engine. Lag from a bigger turbo can be greatly reduced with a decent EBC with good duty cycle set up. Also no matter how much power you have you'll always be limited in top speed (170+) by the final drive ratio, you can tweak this a little by increasing your max rpm but why bother, this speed is supercar territory and believe me with a well-sorted 2.5ltr Turbo you'll be getting there very quick, very quick indeed.
Enjoy a well sorted 2.5 and have fun, the chassis is still one of the best ever designed, IMHO Porsche have yet to better the 944's chassis .

Pete
 
I don't think it's so much about power, more the better torque the extra capacity and longer stroke produces under 3k, and the bigger valves the larger bore allows. Some engine builders say the windage ports and siamesed cylinders of the 2.7/S2/968 blocks are beneficial too. If I had to rebuild my engine I'd certainly go 3.0 but only because I've already got the parts.
 
A 3L turbo engine will always be a lot nicer to drive than a 2.5 turbo engine regardless of the conditions.
I drove a 2.5 944 turbo running a full Vitesse Stage 3 kit the other day and although it was no slouch I could not believe how much slower than my 3L it was, how much more stressed it felt, and how much of a pain at slow speeds half a liter less can get.
I have always found the standard 2.5 turbo engine with the K26/8 turbo to be about as good and balanced as a 2.5 may ever get without going wild into seriously expensive head/camshaft work and fitting a well-breathing modern turbo. Even then 3L is the engine size that should have been fitted from new, as most 944s are I think just too heavy to be really any good with only 2.5L
 
I hate this forum... Come on to comment on a post and go away wanting to build a 3.0 again... :) It fuels my disease for wasting loads on money on an old car.. ha
 
u63af said:
I hate this forum... Come on to comment on a post and go away wanting to build a 3.0 again... :)

Sorting out pistons and the cylinders to run them in might change your mind...
 
Yeah I started thinking of a 2.8 but it would still be a pain. need to stop doing stuff to this

 
Yeah, I have wondered what happened to Hartech's 3.0 as well. He didn't seem to shout about it but I am sure it will have found a lucky buyer somewhere. The reviews written by the likes of Smiffy at the time had me wanting a rich elderly relative to bump off ....


Oli.
 
I think the Hartech 3.0 was up for around £7k the last I saw. Maybe it went bang and is in a lockup somewhere under 1/2" of dust...
 
is there a reliable running 3.0ltr?...can't think of any...know plenty of high-powered 2.5ltr's though...:)
 
I think there's a quite few yankee 3.0's that have run reliably for a long time. Personally I'd be conservative with the boost if I had one, probably 16lbs, maybe a bit more for short bursts in cool weather.
 
blade7 said:
I think there's a quite few yankee 3.0's that have run reliably for a long time. Personally I'd be conservative with the boost if I had one, probably 16lbs, maybe a bit more for short bursts in cool weather.


sorry, I was referring to the UK...I have only ever seen one and that was Paul's (diver944)....never seen another on this fair isle....
 
zcacogp said:
Yeah, I have wondered what happened to Hartech's 3.0 as well. He didn't seem to shout about it but I am sure it will have found a lucky buyer somewhere.


His was a true 'budget' build, just to prove it could be done. An S2 crankshaft into a 2.7 block and 8v head gives the correct 3.0L engine. This was then simply dropped into a standard Turbo, running standard 0.8bar boost with a standard wastegate, but the ECU was remapped by Wayne Schofield so the extra fuelling was correct for the bigger capacity. IIRC it made 300bhp and over 350lb-ft starting from a very low rev range with minimal lag. It was fast and effortless [8D] If the new owner didn't mess with it I am sure it would run for years as it was very understressed

 
PSH said:
blade7 said:
I think there's a quite few yankee 3.0's that have run reliably for a long time. Personally I'd be conservative with the boost if I had one, probably 16lbs, maybe a bit more for short bursts in cool weather.


sorry, I was referring to the UK...I have only ever seen one and that was Paul's (diver944)....never seen another on this fair isle....


I believe there was some drama with that one...
 

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