Well, I may be some time ...

[simkin911]

For a long motorway drive from London to Edinburgh, the Turbo that Steve let me drive was a great choice; it was fast, smooth and fun to drive. However, driving it from my house to the bottom of the M1 was a nightmare - it was rarely on boost, bogged down all over the place, was too low to get over speedbumps, I was worried that it would come on boost with little notice, and it wouldn't play MP3's from a memory stick. All ailments that my S2 doesn't suffer from.

Oli.

Oli,

I used the s2 in and around town today. Perfect behaviour. I haven't had the turbo in town yet but I have been blasting it around the local roads around my house with plenty "boost" opportunities. I am really enjoying it and wish I'd bought one sooner. I have been both impressed and surprised by the smoothness of the drive and the suggestion of boosting problems on this thread hasn't affected my "smile a mile". It's not a perfect example by any stretch of the imagination but then again it wasn't £7k plus! I sorted through the folder of paperwork which revealed all MOTs since '97, a sale invoice from Hartech for £14k with their completed job list and £13k of invoices since 2000 (of which £4734 was invoiced within the last 3 yrs / 6500 miles by the seller). I also managed to find the alarm/immobiliser certificate.

A hoover is due sometime this weekend..... I hope you've caught up on your sleep. Have a good weekend. []
Steve

 

[Frenchy]

What MrTrasler said....................i would have an S2 as an everyday car, but the boooost thing is a very pleasuarble experience, plan ahead with gears and these things are rapid.
The S2 is a steal price wise at the moment, i keep being tempted to shift my 220 and buy the best S2 for the same money which should get me a belter at 5k ish ??
Brought a S2 back from Leeds for a friend a couple of years ago and was very impressed !

 

[Suffolk944]

ORIGINAL: Frenchy


The S2 is a steal price wise at the moment, i keep being tempted to shift my 220 and buy the best S2 for the same money which should get me a belter at 5k ish ??

sc0tty is struggling to shift his S2 and had just dropped it down to £5k (see his thread on Tipec). Thats a very fine S2 with a huge amount spent on it, they really are stupidly cheap.

 

[sawood12]

Track driving is all about the driver and not the car. I would probably be just as quick, if not quicker, around any given track in my Focus LX than I would my old 944 turbo - and i'm not saying the Focus is in anyway even in the same league as a 944 turbo. I've seen a 20yr old bog standard 944 turbo on tired suspension give brand new GT3's a good spanking, and although the 944 was driven by a good driver who was getting 100% out of the car, it was more the case that the Solicitors in the GT3's were not wanting to push the cars for fear of stacking them in the barrier and only getting 50% out of them.

Trackday driving is all about fun rather than trying to be a serious driver, so unless you are Tiff Needel and know how to drive a car on track properly you may as well buy a dirt cheap hot-ish hatch to track and just go out and have some fun knowing that if you stuff the car into the barriers you've not lost anything and you can go out and buy another dirt cheap hot-ish hatch for the next weekend's trackday. You'll have 100 times more fun than nursing your 944 round the track too scared to pick up any damage or have a 'moment' in it. And you'll be tens of seconds faster than you would in your 944 and probably learn alot more about driving in the process.

Buy a dirt cheap few hundred quid battered hot hatch (like a Saxo VTR or something of that ilk), get a set of wheels with slicks, strip out the interior, fit a half-roll cage, bucket seat and harness, standard size performance brake discs and pads with some decent brake fluid then you've got one fun track-day car to thrash around and generally abuse till it breaks down or blows up. Maximum trackday fun (and one of the fastest cars on track guaranteed) at minimum cost. When the car gives up, scrap it and transfer the roll cage, seat, harnesses, wheels and brakes to another dirt cheap Saxo and you're good to go again. Ideally, the cost of the trackday should be more than the car. And you're doing the world of motoring a favour by disposing of those horrible boy-racer hot-hatches like Saxo VTR's!

 

[Suffolk944]

Seems sc0ttys car went for £4500 and true to form he has posted an abusive message on TIPEC to those who offered him friendly advice as to its true value (rather than the one in his head) and why it was not selling. Hopefully the cars new owner has more class than its last...[8|]

 

[Fat Albert]

I use my Turbo as a daily driver, I have covered 750 miles in it this week, and find that it is great, in traffic jams/town driving you learn to drive it under the boost, and once above 50 you never need to drop from 5th (unless someone needs some manners).

Oh and after a 2-3 hour 50-70 mph motorway slog, I turn off the A1 a junction late and hoon the last 12 miles home cross-country and arrive with a big smile on my face!

Agree about the track-day philosophy, a friend of mine had a 968 and did some of the standard upgrades for tracking it regularly and when I asked him what next? he replied; "Me, I am getting some lessons as I am now the limiting factor not the car" which I thought was quite sensible...for him

 

[JamesO]

In my experience the 3L 16v is better round town than the turbo (although the clutch in mine is evil), the early lux was better on b roads, and I was actually quicker round the 'ring with a 2.7 in my car than with the 3 litre 16v.
Possibly I was flat out more to make up for the perceived lack of power. In fact I'm fairly sure I would be quicker still in my little 103 bhp diesel vw van as its so easy to drive and you never slow down so as not to loose momentum.
Not had the turbo on a track yet, so cant comment.

 

[Frenchy]

Jon,
I had a run in on here with the bafoon, would have been difficult for me to go and look at his car, i have no doubt it would have been a good un though.

 

[Suffolk944]

ORIGINAL: Frenchy

Jon,
I had a run in on here with the bafoon, would have been difficult for me to go and look at his car, i have no doubt it would have been a good un though.

Indeed - seems he has made quite an impression over on the TIPEC board too in his brief stay there...

 

[pauljmcnulty]

seems he has made quite an impression over on the TIPEC board too in his brief stay there.

I stuck my neck out to support him a few times, but he's proved that he has a default setting that isn't particularly pleasant. [:'(]

The stupid thing is that he'd have had a better chance of selling the car within the Club. I know what it was valued at, and what other similar cars are valued at. It is an incredible bargain for someone, as long as it's kept at a garage queen.

 

[Fat Albert]

So what's re replacing it with? (ie which group of petrolheads is he about to insult now?)

 

[simkin911]

ORIGINAL: Fat Albert

So what's re replacing it with? (ie which group of petrolheads is he about to insult now?)

Hopefully a pleasant personality! []

 

[zcacogp]

Nah - he'd only find a reason to moan about one of those as well (and insult other people who also own one!) And even if he did get one, he wouldn't use it - he'd only stick it in the garage and bring it out when the weather is nice ...


Oli.

 

[tr7v8]

After this comment "Damn these old cars. Never again. Money pit does not even come close" and this "Bloody classic car my arse, more like an old money pit." I suspect he'll be buying something modern.
So he'll be off buying a BMW/Merc/Audi etc. & finding that running costs get replaced by depreciation.

Sounds like he was no great loss to any of the Porsche forums[]

PS I wondered why I couldn't see anything from him here [:-]

 

[Frenchy]

Jim,
I have sent a mail to the TIPEC webmaster as my password is being sent to my old, no longer existing e mail address so i cannot post, i am a TIPEC member btw, i was going to comment on his thread there, his car sounded and looked great but what a serious attitude he has, i had a few cyber words with him on here,he needs an attitude fix big time, or a Cumbrian Stylee you are annoying me message (a good smack in the mush) a bit primitive i know but it usually works in these parts, actions speak louder than words etc.

 

[Suffolk944]

Looks like the thread in question has been expunged from the TIPEC forum - Happily us crazy 944 owners can now get on with the business of enjoying our cars (even those with S2's ! []) without worrying about financial returns on our "investments"

 

[simkin911]

Yes, spotted that and wondered whether he'd made further rambling remarks on the thread and it had then been pulled.

 

[edh]

ORIGINAL: sawood12

Track driving is all about the driver and not the car. I would probably be just as quick, if not quicker, around any given track in my Focus LX than I would my old 944 turbo - and i'm not saying the Focus is in anyway even in the same league as a 944 turbo. I've seen a 20yr old bog standard 944 turbo on tired suspension give brand new GT3's a good spanking, and although the 944 was driven by a good driver who was getting 100% out of the car, it was more the case that the Solicitors in the GT3's were not wanting to push the cars for fear of stacking them in the barrier and only getting 50% out of them.

Trackday driving is all about fun rather than trying to be a serious driver, so unless you are Tiff Needel and know how to drive a car on track properly you may as well buy a dirt cheap hot-ish hatch to track and just go out and have some fun knowing that if you stuff the car into the barriers you've not lost anything and you can go out and buy another dirt cheap hot-ish hatch for the next weekend's trackday. You'll have 100 times more fun than nursing your 944 round the track too scared to pick up any damage or have a 'moment' in it. And you'll be tens of seconds faster than you would in your 944 and probably learn alot more about driving in the process.

Buy a dirt cheap few hundred quid battered hot hatch (like a Saxo VTR or something of that ilk), get a set of wheels with slicks, strip out the interior, fit a half-roll cage, bucket seat and harness, standard size performance brake discs and pads with some decent brake fluid then you've got one fun track-day car to thrash around and generally abuse till it breaks down or blows up. Maximum trackday fun (and one of the fastest cars on track guaranteed) at minimum cost. When the car gives up, scrap it and transfer the roll cage, seat, harnesses, wheels and brakes to another dirt cheap Saxo and you're good to go again. Ideally, the cost of the trackday should be more than the car. And you're doing the world of motoring a favour by disposing of those horrible boy-racer hot-hatches like Saxo VTR's!

not sure about a lot of this Scott

I don't think a Focus LX would see much of a 944t after a few hundred yards, even if you were being cautious. 10-15 secs a lap quicker I would expect.
944's are very easy to drive on track. Although I acknowledge that Andrew S + slicks will be much faster than most of us here

Whatever you get as a track car, it will never be cheap, and will always cost much more than you expect...A tired old hatch will have plenty of things ready to break
These days I'd have thought most 944's fit into the definition of "budget" track car

 

[MarkK]

I do understand what Scott is trying to say though,on some tracks a front wheel drive car can reel in cars with more power,i was at castle Coombe the other day in my 205 gti and was catching and passing lots of bigger cars 993s and Subarus,yup maybe they were being driven gently but i got some very funny looks in the paddock especially when they found out my car was pretty much standard and full interior etc... (KW V2 aside[][]),was doing some snooping to see which way the track goes for later in the season.
If it was stripped out as Scott says with some sticky tyres people would have been really crying..[]
On a power track especially, a turbo would see off an S2 this theory was tested plenty last season.

 

[tr7v8]

ORIGINAL: Frenchy

Jim,
I have sent a mail to the TIPEC webmaster as my password is being sent to my old, no longer existing e mail address so i cannot post, i am a TIPEC member btw, i was going to comment on his thread there, his car sounded and looked great but what a serious attitude he has, i had a few cyber words with him on here,he needs an attitude fix big time, or a Cumbrian Stylee you are annoying me message (a good smack in the mush) a bit primitive i know but it usually works in these parts, actions speak louder than words etc.

I moderate the TIPEC forum so if you need help shoot me a mail.