Whats it Worth?

912UK · Dec 9, 2006

Well lets us know when you see it.. Nick's site has some good pictures of what to look for.. rust wise

if it is ok and or worth putting some money into it then I would sell off some of the later bits you have which should help towards the cost of the right bits, the wheels I would get polished and made to look like the early 15's you can always sell these later when a set comes up for sale.

I have a few sets of good overriders in chrome for the rear end and the front. And some later chrome and black rubber ones.
I also have a complete interior for a 70 eara car. I have yet to get on the sewing machine and finish it.
I have a chrome rear grill and a few odds and ends

But I would check out the rust issues and then the engine ( not hot on 911's more flat 4's ) with all this interest it would be nice to get some feedback on what the car is like.

Guest · Dec 9, 2006

I've had a look at the car? its got rust at the bottom of the doors as you can see in the pics, also, you can tell it as filler around the door hinges and also around the front window, and you can see sunlight through the gaps in the targa roof seals, inside the wheel arches dont look that bad and the wheel are still the same colour as the car was (Violet). yes i looked at Nicks site, very good, if not scary, are they really that bad for rust? or is it just the targas that rot like fook? and what sort of price do panels come out at?

Nick Moss · Dec 9, 2006

They all rust, but Targas rot worse and are more difficult to get right. I would walk away from this one...... Its worth about £2K

Guest · Dec 10, 2006

Thanks Nick. Well i'll just keep on lookin for one then. And what do i find when i buy 911&porsche World today? a early 911 buyer's guide, so i'll have a good look at that. How long you been workin with porsches Nick? and is it your company early911?

Nick Moss · Dec 10, 2006

Hi Tom

I was being a bit fecitious valuing it at £2K. I look at cars like that at scrap value, as it would cost more to return to standard than it would be worth. At £4k with a year's MOT it is probably the cheapest early Porsche motoring you will find these days.

pmjt · Dec 10, 2006

Following on from your comments - if there's filler around the door hinges it's really bad news - if you're at all interested, pay someone like Nick or Peter Morgan a couple of hundred quid to give you a really thorough review of what needs doing.

Keep looking - nice cars come up all the time [

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Philip

Guest · Dec 10, 2006

But this is the thing, do i go out and spend 15k on a car or do i buy one thats gonna need work but still as a test on it that i can do work on it as i go along? i love to play with cars, and it may sound stupid but i've been looking forward to having a project car i can stay behind after work and have a good mess with. i cant do it with my 944 as it just wont bloody break and i've got it how i wanted it now, ok it could do with a seat repair and my alloys cleaning up but i cant do them myself.

pmjt · Dec 10, 2006

ORIGINAL: neo th hacker

But this is the thing, do i go out and spend 15k on a car or do i buy one thats gonna need work but still as a test on it that i can do work on it as i go along? i love to play with cars, and it may sound stupid but i've been looking forward to having a project car i can stay behind after work and have a good mess with. i cant do it with my 944 as it just wont bloody break and i've got it how i wanted it now, ok it could do with a seat repair and my alloys cleaning up but i cant do them myself.

Hehe - the joy of an old car? There's ALWAYS something that needs doing to it [

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The KEY thing is body repairs - they're very, very, very expensive to do right - if you can buy something like this Targa for £5k and run it for a while, you can bargain on having to spend £20k on bodywork in the near future - if you spend £15k you might find one that's had most of the bodywork done - Helen Goff recently bought THE most beautiful '69 car I've ever seen - quite simply beautiful with nothing left to do - for not far off that figure.

Like I said, they're out there [

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BTW - she bought it from Nick [

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Philip

Guest · Dec 11, 2006

But i like to drive my porsches in all conditions, and dont really want a car thats too good to drive if you know what i mean, like the cars on Nicks site, i would be scared of takin it out for the fear of putting a mark on the handy work.

912UK · Dec 11, 2006

Boxing Day meet in the square... classic cars and bikes all out in the rain so what..

I take my 912 out in the rain if it's raining when I go out ...

It's how you treat it ...

I have wax oiled the car and done it right.. even bits you can't see and it's a joy to drive in any weather..

I do a big check every year to keep on top of the sealant to make sure it's doing it's job and top up where needed and still going strong..

rain or shine...

when it's not wet it look like this...

IN France Oct this year for a week end Blast..

Guest · Dec 12, 2006

Very nice, lovely colour, like my 944 colour. I have no problem with drivin in the wet, i would like drive a car that i've got back to its best, i would be on edge after just spending 20K on a late 60s restored car.

jamescharnley · Dec 12, 2006

Always buy the best you can afford, it WILL end up cheaper in the long run. You might be worried about driving a £15K car, but any damage / wear that the car suffers will still be a lot cheaper to keep on top of / repair than buying a basket case that could end up costing a HUGE amount of money to restore . TBH the pleasure from the early cars comes from the driving / maintaining

I speak from experience after spending almost £40K on restoring a 1966 VW beetle [

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Guest · Dec 13, 2006

40k on a beetle? what did you build it out of? a Porsche 959![

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912UK · Dec 13, 2006

no it was a cab and it was sweet [

] I still don't understand why he sold before finishing it..

jamescharnley · Dec 14, 2006

this was my 1966 Karmann Cabrio beetle ( a 7 year long affair...... extremely modded & detailled with 944 suspension, 944 turbo brakes, Berg 5 speed box with quaife LSD mated to a flat 4 - 2276cc DT FI motor aiming for 200 bhp etc etc [

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These are the reason I sold it before finishing it [

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Guest · Dec 17, 2006

Theirs always something that gets in the way of our dreams!

912UK · Dec 17, 2006

told you it was sweet!![

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James I hope to catch DHL tomorrow for you for your curtains and Blinds mate.[

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jamescharnley · Dec 18, 2006

ORIGINAL: 912UK

told you it was sweet!![]

James I hope to catch DHL tomorrow for you for your curtains and Blinds mate.[]

Thanks Mark [

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petercook · Jan 4, 2007

What a great, great pity; Es are rare in RHD and an E Targa is even rarer - early cars no longer suffer the 'Sportomatic' syndrome if they are kept original so this one would have been a peach if not mucked about. What's more the pity is that engine and chassis numbers tie together nicely. To put it in perspective, only 1000 E Targas were produced in the F series '72-'73 model year for worldwide sales and Sportomatics made up a small percentage of these.

The guys are right however, caviat emptor, it's not the rust you can see but the rust you can't see. These cars can burn money like there's no tomorrow to restore corectly and in my humble opinion that would be the route, but only if you loved it so much that selling after restoration was not on the cards. I've seen early cars like these that have had £40,000 spent on them at a restorer only charging £30 per hour - OK perhaps for an S but questionable on anything else.

It's hard to understand why the rear have been so heavily modified - that must have cost a lot of money and I guess begs the question 'was it shunted' - if so how straight is the chassis?

It is easy to be tempted by cars such as these but unless you have bottomless pockets I would look elsewhere; there is no such thing as a bargin early 911 I'm afraid..

PJC

pmjt · Jan 21, 2007

An update for those interested - I went to see this car for a friend late last week.

Firstly, Max at Revival Cars who now has the car for sale is a really helpful and friendly chap - my friend didn't buy this one - but DID come home with a very sweet '65 model year 912 from Max.

The thing that struck me about this Targa is that all the bits that are normally bad, were good - and the bits that were normally good, were bad [

] The work to the rear has been done badly - really badly - and there's a HUGE amount of filler on the driver's side lock post (I mean half an inch thick in places!) and door shut panel (which is really odd - it's as if whoever did the work was trying to make the door fit a badly shaped appeture).

The front end is drooping forward which immeadiately made me wonder why? With a Targa, I'm told the rear will droop first due to the lack of structure and with rot - however the back edge of the front wing line to door fit is wider at the top and narrower at the bottom. Yet the door chrome quarter windor frames are wider at the top and narrower at the bottom [&:] Not sure what's gone on but there's something very odd there.

Looks like the car was either Roman Purple or Oxford Blue - at the front - but on the inside rear wing I found what I thought was more like Gemini Blue! At some time prior to painting Silver, the car was burgundy - and the engine bay is this colour so this colour change occured when the rear was modified. This could be a sign she's actually two different cars put together [&:]

The engine runs rough - and the Sporto won't engage gear unless selected and LEFT for 10 or so seconds - this could be a simple leak OR a much more major problem.

The original interior has been lost completely and the car now has much later SC front and rear seats, door cards and rear trim.

The work to fit the flared wings is truly ghastly - the wider rear forward edge of the wing - where it joins the body - has been patched up with copious amounts of filler - and then painted horribly. Certainly the rear wings were not cut out to take the impact bumper - the flares were simply patched on.

There was evidence of rust penetrating the inside top of the rear wings on both sides - as would be expected with a Targa. The roof fits very badly with a differential gap all the way along the rear join to the Targa bar.

However, there were some great bits - the front inner wings seem factory original - the suspension mount tops looked very original - the chassis ID plate on the top bulkhead was correct and factory - there was some corrosion to the battery floor - but nothing that couldn't be put right.

In all it's a tragedy - as Peter says she's a VERY rare car being a Sporto 'E' 2.4 Targa - there's some history but not much before the '80s - I really struggled to find a reason why she shouldn't be saved - but knowing that Max will do a deal on her - if someone's brave enough to stump up the £10 to £15k to put her right - they could have a lovely and rare car.

And that's the problem - it needs a lot of coin. [

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HTH

Philip