Why can't I sell my S2 ?

[babyjack]

I agree completely, they are more like goodies
I nearly bought a Nova kit car years ago before my Dad talked me out of it (something about the hydraulic roof and me dying in it!)

 

[zcacogp]

You've moved on immensely in your car tastes.

Well done!


Oli.

 

[babyjack]

At the time it was the only rear engined, air cooled "sports" car I could afford!

 

[zcacogp]

OK. Two out of three isn't that bad ... []


Oli.

 

[plenty]

Let's skip for a moment that the 944 S2 is a special, even under-rated vehicle (preaching to the converted here).

5k is a lot of money in absolute terms for a non-supercar that's 20+ years old and broaching six-figure mileages. Only a very small and select group of cars get to reach the kind of iconic status that makes them immune from eventual bangerhood.

Regardless of the Boxster's merits, it will always be a younger car.

 

[babyjack]

Chris, I agree with you.
Plenty, I won't furnish you with a response.

 

[andrew_churcher]

I like all porsche models. My father just happened to have a 944 when i was growing up so the interest and passion for the front engined machines began at an early age. I think the Boxster offers great value these days....but I am not sure I can deal with the ubiquity of one.....in a way...I like the fact that the 944 is a bit more covert...and similar to the 928...almost designed 15 yrs before its time. I think the shape is a classic (especially the S2/turbo). I think the bit I like the most is it just feels robust....the "kathunk" when you close the door....its great. I am just glad I finally made the decision to buy one and in a way even paying closer to £6k I still felt like a thief ...[][]

and lets face it...u dont get this view in the rear view of a boxster ......[]...haha.........cant wait to take it for a spin tommorrow morning!!!

 

[zcacogp]

ORIGINAL: andrew_churcher

944 is a bit ... similar to the 928

No no no no no no no!

I spent yesterday getting a non-running 928 going.

It's VERY different to a 944. (Substantially different. Really very very different indeed once you get into details.)


Oli.

 

[plenty]

ORIGINAL: Chris Charlton
Anyone reading Classic and Sports Cars will be aware that in fact you could spend £15K on a Ford Capri Perana, any half decent MGB Roadster fetches £7K+ (Frequently on second or third engines!).

The prices that secondhand cars fetch are simply a reflection of what people are prepared to pay for them. Any qualitative assessment of their actual merits is irrelevant. I'm sure that people on MG and Ford boards would be quite willing to explain at length why these cars are worth the money. Conversely, a few days ago I was looking at a 1997 e39 540i, which is believed by some to be one of the finest executive saloons ever made. The price? 1.5k.

ORIGINAL: babyjack

Chris, I agree with you.
Plenty, I won't furnish you with a response.

Erm, all I did was provide a realistic, factual answer to your question. Your question was "why can't I sell my S2", not "is my S2 worth 6k". We're 944 enthusiasts and of course we would all choose a 6k 944 over almost any other car for the same money - however, rightly or wrongly, we're a tiny minority, thus your potential market is small, which this could help explain why your car is taking time to sell.

 

[babyjack]

Erm, All you did was suggest that an S2 isn't worth £5000

Sierra Cosworth
Lancia delta Integrale?
Jaguar XJS

The above are not "supercars" as such, but they were the 944's rivals of the time..A quick look on PH reveals that you can't buy a good example of any for under £5000.
Basically, you were writing nonsense

Plenty, whilst I appreciated your advice, I also found it extremely negative. I also think your trying to play devils advocate.
If we are all 944 enthusiasts,try sounding like one

BTW, What car do you drive, it's not in your sig?
Wouldn't be a boxster would it ?

Maybe your after an S2, but you only want to pay £1500 for it....

 

[Hilux]

The prices that secondhand cars fetch are simply a reflection of what people are prepared to pay for them. Any qualitative assessment of their actual merits is irrelevant. I'm sure that people on MG and Ford boards would be quite willing to explain at length why these cars are worth the money. Conversely, a few days ago I was looking at a 1997 e39 540i, which is believed by some to be one of the finest executive saloons ever made. The price? 1.5k.

Sierra Cosworth
Lancia delta Integrale?
Jaguar XJS

The above are not "supercars" as such, but they were the 944's rivals of the time..A quick look on PH reveals that you can't buy a good example of any for under £5000. Basically, you were writing nonsense

All considered classics, the 944 isnt. [neither is the e39]

The 944 is a classic car to enthusiasts of the marque but in most peoples perception it is not a classic , not a proper Porsche and to buy one is because you cant afford a proper Porsche. Also, they are not fully understood so the values simply reflect a 20 year old car with 80s`s styling with 20 year old technology and (rightly so) a fear of black holes to throw money at when it comes to repairs and running costs .

You either love `em or hate `em but you will lose money on them but thats not the point of owning them.

 

[plenty]

ORIGINAL: babyjack

Basically, you were writing nonsense

Plenty, whilst I appreciated your advice, I also found it extremely negative. I also think your trying to play devils advocate.
If we are all 944 enthusiasts,try sounding like one

I suggested some reasons why your car might take time to sell. In response to your question inviting such feedback.

However what you're looking for is emotional support not reasons, so any further discussion will only go around in circles. I wish you success with the sale.

 

[PSH]

All considered classics, the 944 isnt. [neither is the e39]

The 944 is a classic car to enthusiasts of the marque but in most peoples perception it is not a classic , not a proper Porsche and to buy one is because you cant afford a proper Porsche. Also, they are not fully understood so the values simply reflect a 20 year old car with 80s`s styling with 20 year old technology and (rightly so) a fear of black holes to throw money at when it comes to repairs and running costs .

You either love `em or hate `em but you will lose money on them but thats not the point of owning them.

hmm.. I disagree with this totally, not only is the 944 accepted as a classic today it's also seen as a future great classic worth buying now as it will only gain in value. I always laugh when someone comes up with the comment of " it's not a proper Porsche, or " it's a poor man porsche", both comments are total rubbish. I can understand why some get confused between the 924 and the 944 but if they knew anything about Porsche cars at all they would never make such stupid statements.
The 944 is a proper Porsche in all senses of the word, Porsche himself said as much in the Porsche adverts of the day( this was due to the attacks on the 924 ) , it's also a very capable car, far more so than the 911 , again something that was accepted by Porsche engineers , staff and the CEO of the day ,plus all the road tests that were done between the two cars when new. As for a poor mans car.. your kidding right???? I already gave details of the price for a 944 turbo in 1986 in another thread but add to this the fact that my car cost 25% more than my house did a year later and I'm sure you have to agree the 944 was a very,very expensive car indeed, so much so that even the well off would have to think carefully before spending such a large amount of money. I mean you wouldn't buy a house on just a whim now would you?

PS I also see the 924 as a very good car and mean no harm in mentioning them here, I have little time for snobbery which was the main reason for the old school porsche owners making such a comment on the humble 924 when it was released. It's a shame that they got their own way back then and forced Porsche to shy away from such great cars as the 924,944,928 and continue with the technology over design crap which is ridiculed by a lot of auto engineers/media across the world today...lol

Just imagine how a 944 would be after 40+ years of developement especially when compared to todays 911, I guess Porsche would have had a car unbeatable in every way.... or am I being a little bias...hehe


pete

 

[944 man]

ORIGINAL: babyjack

when I was younger I had a big poster of a slantnose turbo on my wall, I also remember the film Condorman with Micheal Crawford in it. Terrible film,but the baddies had black 911 turbo's!

Nothing to do with this post but after writing the above I went and ordered the film!

I remember watching that at the Ritz in Matlock, in about 1979..... There was only one 930: all of the other cars were poorly tarted up pre-impact cars. Certainly the cars which actually crashed were...

 

[Suffolk944]

Many classics/potential classics have to pass through a "banger" stage before public perceptions change. While I dont think the 944 has ever got to that stage it has certainly suffered from the all too common misconceptions that others have talked about here and elsewhere. Interesting that the XJS was mentioned earlier in the thread. That is certainly a car that has gone through something of a transformation of image, popularity and hence value of late, especially as good ones become rarer and harder to find. I think there is (to a certain extent at least) a similar process going on with all the front engined Porsches of the era if the many mentions they are getting both in magazines and even on the TV are anything to go by (plus the current fashion for all things '80's).

I think that in the medium to long term, values for good 944's will pick up at least a bit from their current levels though they are always going to lag behind the equivalent era 911's and are never going to make any of us any money.

 

[Hilux]

hmm.. I disagree with this totally, not only is the 944 accepted as a classic today it's also seen as a future great classic worth buying now as it will only gain in value. I always laugh when someone comes up with the comment of " it's not a proper Porsche, or " it's a poor man porsche", both comments are total rubbish. I can understand why some get confused between the 924 and the 944 but if they knew anything about Porsche cars at all they would never make such stupid statements.
The 944 is a proper Porsche in all senses of the word, Porsche himself said as much in the Porsche adverts of the day( this was due to the attacks on the 924 ) , it's also a very capable car, far more so than the 911 , again something that was accepted by Porsche engineers , staff and the CEO of the day ,plus all the road tests that were done between the two cars when new. As for a poor mans car.. your kidding right???? I already gave details of the price for a 944 turbo in 1986 in another thread but add to this the fact that my car cost 25% more than my house did a year later and I'm sure you have to agree the 944 was a very,very expensive car indeed, so much so that even the well off would have to think carefully before spending such a large amount of money. I mean you wouldn't buy a house on just a whim now would you?

PS I also see the 924 as a very good car and mean no harm in mentioning them here, I have little time for snobbery which was the main reason for the old school porsche owners making such a comment on the humble 924 when it was released. It's a shame that they got their own way back then and forced Porsche to shy away from such great cars as the 924,944,928 and continue with the technology over design crap which is ridiculed by a lot of auto engineers/media across the world today...lol

Just imagine how a 944 would be after 40+ years of developement especially when compared to todays 911, I guess Porsche would have had a car unbeatable in every way.... or am I being a little bias...hehe

Then you miss my point...............

The 944 is a classic car to enthusiasts of the marque but in most peoples perception it is not a classic

I stand by that statement............it is old enough to be considered a classic but it isnt a classic in most peoples eyes. It doesnt rank alongside a Cossie, Integrale, Mk1 and 2 escorts etc in the classic car world although knowledgeable people will appreciate it for what it is.

Dont get me wrong, I`m not knocking 944`s (I owned a 944T) but when you see what other cars you can get for relatively little money there will be a natural reluctance to pay what the car is really worth.

That its had lots of money spent on it will not add the equivalent value nor make it stand out from the crowd, what is worth money to an enthusiast is a factory car in near original condition with history, not a restored car. Remember the market at the moment (I`ve been looking around since I sold the 944T) - early Boxsters can be as low as £6-7K you can get E34 M5`s for well under £6k and E39 400bhp M5`s for around £8K and Scoobys for £5-6K. All have potentially the same big bills as a 944.

Its all about drive what you like in my book but, like a house, the market sets the value.

 

[babyjack]

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I suggested some reasons why your car might take time to sell.  In response to your question inviting such feedback. 

However what you're looking for is emotional support not reasons, so any further discussion will only go around in circles.  I wish you success with the sale.
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I was woken at 5am this morning by my 18 month old screaming the house down. As I was up I decided to look on the forum. When I read the first line of your post it gave me the impression that you were suggesting our cars aren't even worth 5K. The fact that I was tired & irritable didn't help matters, hence my response.


I have been more than happy with the advice given on this thread & on the forum in general, & am now in the process of removing the mods from the car. Thanks to all.

I have no desire to have lengthy discussions/arguments online, you can read my other posts to see that. So lets move on shall we?[]

 

[ChasR]

I think the 944's time has come to appreciate. If not now, maybe in a few years time. I know there are not many S2s or 2.7s left and I cannot imagine there are many Silver Roses left either with the others coming to follow.

 

[wolfie308]

IMHO £6K is absolutely top whack for an S.2 even in the right colour combo []

As a prospective buyer of yours, I'd also ask have the water pump/clutch/cam chain been done ?(all recommended around this mileage). Were 968 castor mounts fitted with the ARB's and is the MO30 on it's original dampers? How are sills/wing bottoms? etc

FWIW I've spent £7K on my car in the last 12 months and yet I'd probably be pushed to get over £5K for it. However, it's not all bad as I've got a very sound and reliable car that I have no intention of selling it, and hope to 'recoup' that in minimal depreciation and modest running costs over the next few years - well that's the theory anyway []

 

[Diver944]

ORIGINAL: ChasR

I think the 944's time has come to appreciate.  If not now, maybe in a few years time. 

I've been hearing us say that ever since I bought mine back in '98 []

I love these cars to bits, but I honestly don't think it will happen anytime soon. They are fantastic cars that are pretty much bulletproof to own when looked after, but I really don't think they can be bought in the hope they'll rise in value. Like most cars they will always lose value over the years, but compared with more mainstream models they lose hardly anything and are far more exciting to drive.