Zymol

[Guest]

ORIGINAL: Elliot Davies

I dont use it because no matter how good it is i wont pay the price for it, extortionate springs to mind []
I like raceglaze carnauba wax
Here is a link though []

http://www.scweurope.com/

I've bought it via ebay at around £12.00 for a large bottle.
Also got a bottle of the cutting / washing stuff.

HTH, Tim.

 

[john holmes]

Zymol products can be obtained from Specialist Cars Ltd. of Malton - e mail address is glyn@specialistcarsltd.co.uk - telephone no. 0700 911 933.

I have used this company for a long time and have received excellent advice on maintaining my two porsches, one of which is a classic. I live in porsche roads with winding, muddy roads and have to wash cars often - water runs off the car and is back to pristine condition with no effort at all.

They offer a next day delivery service and will explain their products to you.

It makes life easier keeping the car in good condition especially the old one free from rust.

 

[Andrew Killington]

ditto Stuart
Andrew

 

[Guest]

I would second the recommendation for Specialist cars, they look after my car and I firmly believe they have the customers best interest at heart.

Regards, Tim.

 

[THX911]

ORIGINAL: ianfiat

Is using Zymol worth the money ? And is it as much of a pain to apply as it seems ?

Answer: No and No.

I used P21S Carnauba Wax, fraction of the cost of Zymol and gives same results (if not better) and last longer on the car.

Best way to apply all Carnauba wax products is by melting it with the warmth of you hands and applying it directly on the car body.

 

[ianfiat]

Does the P21S wax still require you to strip off the existing wax before applying like you have to with Zymol ?

 

[THX911]

ORIGINAL: ianfiat

Does the P21S wax still require you to strip off the existing wax before applying like you have to with Zymol ?

As far as I understand all good Carnauba wax products can be applied as a final layer on any clean polish or wax surface and this includes Zymol. I know of a couple of guys who use a synthetic polish/wax and then finish it off with a layer of Carnauba wax.

You should read about Wax layering i.e. applying carnauba wax (Zymol, P21S, Swissol, etc) and leaving the car for 24 hours and then applying another layer; I have heard of some guys applying as much as 5 layers (obviously the car has to stay in a dust free garage environment for all the layers)...

 

[ianfiat]

Zymol do claim that their waxes will not bind to existing wax but only directly to paint- and say you have to use HD cleanse first

 

[pmjt]

Kish - I appreciate your opinion - but I have a different one.

First thing is what is it you're polishing? If it's a daily driver and you want it to look nice - they're all good. But for long term paint protection I, personally, have found excellent results with Zymol and Swisol.

Yes, it's a lot of effort to get it right the first time - but maintenance is easy - wash the car off, then apply Field Glaze and buff off - here's one of my cars that's had seven coats of Zymol - done over five years ago and only needs touching up with Field Glaze after each wash. It's personal preference at the end of the day - and depends on what result your after:

Philip

 

[chrono]

What a gorgeous car! []

Please post some more, or put some in the gallery. I love the old 911's!

Sorry, off topic, but had to comment. []

 

[ianfiat]

It is a lovely colour- and not far off the carmon red of my boxster either

 

[THX911]

All Zymol, Swissol, P21S, etc are all yellow Carnauba wax products with Carnauba in different concentrations; the more Carnauba % the more expensive the tub. They all try and keep it pure as that is the beauty of the wax until you get to the white Carnauba wax products like Zymol Royale which are some £3000+ wax, so until you get into the white Carnauba territory you will not really see or get any better results...

The main work is in preparing the car for the final wax layer so IMHO, HD cleanse, Meguiars ScratchX, Poorboy SSR, Zaino cleaner polish, etc are the products which really matter and I have been told by quite a few detailers that Zaino's is the dogs bo11ocks... So as long as you clean, clay (with good lubricant) and polish then for the final wax protection layer (which brings out the shine from the polish) you can apply any good Carnauba wax and get similar results and same protection.

Don't be suckered by companies like Zymol stating you can only use HD-Cleanse and their clay bar before apply Zymol wax for the best results; yes, they have put years of research into making their products works well together but the beauty of Carnauba wax is it works best in its purest form; which BTW, is pretty solid once it is harvested off the Carnauba palm tree; so various companies add stuff to make it usable and smell/look better...

 

[pmjt]

ORIGINAL: THX911
The main work is in preparing the car for the final wax layer so IMHO, HD cleanse, Meguiars ScratchX, Poorboy SSR, Zaino cleaner polish, etc are the products which really matter and I have been told by quite a few detailers that Zaino's is the dogs bo11ocks... So as long as you clean, clay (with good lubricant) and polish then for the final wax protection layer (which brings out the shine from the polish) you can apply any good Carnauba wax and get similar results and same protection.

Kish - completely agree - preparation is the key

Claying with Lehmlube (the only one I've used personally) can have astounding results - we got a 1965 912 for a friend a few weeks ago - it had been in an underground garage for 14 years, off the road - no cover, nothing.

Three days of work claying and cleansing resulted in an astounding difference.

Philip

 

[Black80XSA]

Zymol is a pain, but the results are worth it, provided you are happy to wax every few months for optimum results. P21S is OK, butr the paint cleanser isn't as good at adding shine as the Zymol HD Cleanse.

Horses for courses - some people say Meguiars is great - i use it on the wheels only as i don;t rate it for bodywork.

 

[jpbecker]

So what about the Porsche branded wax guys? I haven't waxed my car since purchasing new in Aug 05, just normal shampoo and chamois plus garaging. I was going to wax on the weekend, do I need to clay bar the car, then polish then wax or just wax?[8|]

 

[pmjt]

ORIGINAL: jpbecker

So what about the Porsche branded wax guys? I haven't waxed my car since purchasing new in Aug 05, just normal shampoo and chamois plus garaging. I was going to wax on the weekend, do I need to clay bar the car, then polish then wax or just wax?[8|]

Over time, residue from tar, bird muck, tree sap etc can 'stick' into the paint and you can end up with small bumps on the paint which hide the 'lustre'.

Claying eases these off from the paint, while 'brightening' the top lacquer. It's up to you if you want to go the extra effort - but the lustre that comes back is always well worth the effort - also the wax tends to stick better and last longer - in my personal experience.

Philip

 

[jpbecker]

Thanks Phil, so use of clay then just wax should be good then? Just not sure about using the Porsche brand wax.

 

[THX911]

ORIGINAL: jpbecker

Thanks Phil, so use of clay then just wax should be good then? Just not sure about using the Porsche brand wax.

All Porsche centres use Zymols, so that says a lot; I had got the Porsche Hard Wax (which is liquid in a can) from ebay for some £1.99 (inc delivery, I think delivery costed more) and it was okay, it is just as good as the Autoglym stuff and nothing in the leagues of Carnauba wax products.

 

[jpbecker]

Bit confused what to use now guys. I've ordered some Porsche brand wax but now I'm thinking of cancelling and buying a tub of Zymol or swissol. Since it is the first waxing of my Porsche from new I'm trying to do it right, but there are so many different opinions![&:]

 

[pmjt]

ORIGINAL: jpbecker
Thanks Phil, so use of clay then just wax should be good then? Just not sure about using the Porsche brand wax.

Here's a post I did earlier - this is just how *I* do it - I'm sure there are better ways []


I wouldn't bother buying the kits - you need:

1) Car Bath (I think they call it) - the shampoo / cleaner
2) HD-Cleanse & applicator pad
3) Lehm lube
4) Lehm clay
5) your choice of wax - the Glasur seems good and reasonably priced.
6) Field glaze

You'll then need some microfibre towels - Sainsbury's / Tesco / Asda all sell these - and if you can get one a terry hand towel - MUST be as lint free as possible.

Wash the car with the car bath and cold water, apply the HD-Cleanse in SMALL sections (maybe 18 x 18 inches at a time) using the applicator pad - work in STRAIGHT LINES - up and down, side to side DON'T swirl it in a circular motion.

Don't let the car get wet after you've HD-Cleansed it as you'll need to start all over again!

Warm up the clay with your hands - take a block about the size of a stick of chewing gum until it's pliable. Spray the lehm lube in small areas as per the HD-cleans and wipe it with the clay. When you've finished each section, wipe it with a wet clean cloth, and then dry it off with another.

When you've done the whole car, my prefered way to apply the wax is to use three fingers and rub them on the surface of the wax - until they're lightly covered - then rub them into the palm of your hand - keep doing this until your hand is covered, then apply the wax to 3 x 3 foot sections or a panel at a time - leave it a minute or two MAX (don't leave it to long - it's a pig to shift it otherwise) then buff it off with a terry towel or micro fibre cloth. Then use ANOTHER cloth to polish the wax - keep going round the car and when you've done a whole coat - start all over again []

I get a good result with three coats of wax, each wiped off and then buffed with SEPERATE cloths.

Each time to wash the car ONLY use the Zymol wash - and afterwards, spray the Field Glaze over a panel at a time - use one cloth to wipe it on and another to polish it off.

I'm sure there are better ways - but this has always worked for me - the 'kits' contain all sorts of stuff you just don't need - IMHO.

HTH

Philip