944 Cup Car
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MartinRS2K
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The rear seat back and base were removed along with the passenger seat but the door cards stayed in the cars from the pictures and videos I have seen. The spare wheel etc. was also taken out.
MartinRS2K
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The early 86 Cup cars ran the 220 engine, the later 87-89 cars had the 250hp engine with different mapping and DME's. The French cars developed further in 89-90 with different chip mapping and a 3 bar FPR producing 290+hp
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Would be nice to know if it does exist and if so what car it is? Totty sent me pictures of the Silver Rose (B10 ACF) I've messaged Paul McNulty to see if it is a Club Member as it isn't on the Register yet [
A guy called Andy Fern from Sheffield owned the Silver Rose, has it felted by Loe Bank Motors, he's owned it for 18 years, he's no longer a PCGB member as he said PCGB weren't interested in anything other than 911's so didn't bother renewing his membership a number of years ago, also mention he knew about the 944sliverrose website but couldn't get on to it to register a while back but i told him to give it another try.
MartinRS2K
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do you mean as a rally car? If so then the car was Homologated in June 1986
Regarding the Race Cars they all ran in a Porsche Single Model series in 1986-89 so not sure if they would have required Homologation papers?
Yes, that's what I was referring to. The One make Cup cars did not need to be homologated for their own series.
What this means, I think, is that as historic Motorsport becomes ever more popular and eligibility dates inevitably move on that the only 44 that will be eligible for FIA santioned historic events will be the 220 Turbo.
MartinRS2K
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If that is the case then that is a shame as it also stops 944 S2's competing which are a popular track car now with Porsche transaxle drivers
Neil Haughey
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Turbo cars are a nightmare to police for racing which is why the 951 gained its infamous banned status by our own club in the first place. CSCC allow them in but they welcome just about anything, can anyone really imagine a prestigious event with cars worth maybe 100k to 500k taking part allowing everyone to get spanked by 20k worth of 951. Can't see it myself, the 951 hasn't been a good choice of race car for more than a decade now and I can't see that changing anytime in the future what with the crazy values on many of its historical peers.
Turbo cars are difficult to police, and I know exactly why the 944T was banned by PCGB because Chipwizards told me the story! However I don't agree that the 944T won't become a good car to have in future historic racing. The reason it hasn't up to now is because historic racing tends to stop at 1981 cars, but there are growing races and rallies for pre 1986 and this will get to be later, when lots of turbos cars will be eligible. Quattros, Sierra Cosworths, Skylines etc.
944Ts are not valuable yet because there have not been high profile races for them but there will be when the historic world starts running races for Pre 90 etc etc. My guess is that prices will rise.
Remember, it's not that long ago since puckka Super Tourers could be bought for £12k (I know, I wish I'd bought the Toyota I saw for sale!) and now they are £60-100k. I'm not suggesting 944Ts will attain that value as they had no race history back in the day, but for none FIA races, they will be a good bet.
944Ts are not valuable yet because there have not been high profile races for them but there will be when the historic world starts running races for Pre 90 etc etc. My guess is that prices will rise.
Remember, it's not that long ago since puckka Super Tourers could be bought for £12k (I know, I wish I'd bought the Toyota I saw for sale!) and now they are £60-100k. I'm not suggesting 944Ts will attain that value as they had no race history back in the day, but for none FIA races, they will be a good bet.
The gist of it is that the regs limited the cars to 250 bhp plus or minus 5% (iirc). The cars had to be tested on Bob Watson's rolling road at the start of the season and whenever required by the club after that. Wayne realised that he could design several maps for the 944t that gave extra boost on track. The race maps were activated by the FRONT wheels rotating. The club suspected that the 944ts were cheating but couldn't prove it. Whenever the cars were sent to the rolling road they delivered 250 bhp plus o minus 5 % ( the front wheels were not rotating!). Whenever the cars were on track they were like lightning because the increased boost kicked in via the rotary switch on the front wheels. Clever man that Wayne!
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