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991 Turbo announced with PDK only, active aero, four-wheel steering and 560hp for £140K S version


The new Porsche 911 Turbo is here! Yup, the 991 generation 911 Turbo is now out in the open, hot on the heels of the new GT3 with which it shares four-wheel steering and a sub 7min 30sec 'ring lap.

560hp, active anti-roll and four-wheel steeringWhat, you thought it was sheer coincidence we started the week with a drive in the refreshed Nissan GT-R and spent the rest of it banging on about 911 Turbos of old?

With 520hp as standard and 560hp in S trim the new 991 Turbo is the most powerful non-GT2 Turbo yet but you'll be paying for the privilege with the "˜base' model starting at £118,349 and the S £140,852. Orders are open now and first UK deliveries start in September.

28mm wider than even the engorged Carrera 4, this new Turbo has a bona fide widebody stance to set it apart from the rest of the 911 range and gaping side intakes that threaten to suck in small children and animals if you're not careful. And along with the four-wheel steering, fully active aerodynamics continues the tradition of class leading technology and engineering geekery, including a PDK only transmission. Expect considerably less teeth gnashing about this among Turbo buyers than their GT3 equivalents"¦ 0-62mph comes up in 3.2 seconds (albeit only with the Sports Chrono Package Plus) while the S does it in 3.1, both topping out at 197mph. And incrementally "" just "" faster than the 530hp outgoing 997 Turbo S.


PDK only less of an issue for Turbo buyersSpied testing together with the GT3 last year, Porsche has yet to commit itself to a 'ring lap time for either, saying both will be sub-7min30sec but not publishing any times yet. Clearly if honour is to be maintained against the Nissan GT-R's 7:19.1 you'd expect Porsche to be focusing its attention on making sure the Turbo gets the quicker time, the new aero package itself worth two seconds off the lap in its fully extended "˜performance' position with the front and rear wings in the most extreme of their three stage deployment. If you're more into vmax (or mpg) you can opt for a more slippery low-drag setting.

Porsche would never admit as much but that GT-R comparison is an interesting one, the addition of four-wheel steering and renewed focus on high-tech gizmos a tacit admission of the need to fight fire with fire. While glossing over the fact the full beans S required to really challenge the GT-R's 'ring dominance still costs nearly twice as much as the Nissan.


Widebody stance will please Turbo fansLike the GT3, the Turbo's four-wheel steer system turns the wheels in opposite directions at speeds below 30mph and in parallel to the front ones above 50mph, giving a "˜virtual' wheelbase extension of 500mm for high-speed stability. This is combined with an updated PTM four-wheel drive system with additional water cooling and ability to send "˜even more' drive torque to the front wheels, and an actual 100mm longer wheelbase over
the 997. PDCC active anti-roll control (for the first time on a Turbo), PCCB brakes and dynamic engine mounts are all additional options and standard on the S.

And, as discussed, essential if you're to keep pace with that pesky Nissan. What was that we were saying the other day about two-tier technology?
With both the GT3 and Turbo launching in the same year Porsche is clearly going large on this 50th anniversary year for the 911, the Turbo itself 40 years old next year. So which is it to be; screaming 9K normally aspirated GT3 or ballistic Turbo? Time to call it"¦
 
No real surprise there then after the GT3 PDK only announcement. Must say I think the back end looks rather lovely..[;)]
 
I like it all round. The contours leading into the side air intake were unexpected and looks good.
So, there's a turbo and turbo S despite all the rumours of the turbo S being launched first. Porsche are good at keeping secrets and I think that is to do with keeping the OPC's in the dark too[;)]
 
They have added a sound enhancer as well so I look forward to hearing what it sounds like
 

ORIGINAL: bobfair

They have added a sound enhancer as well so I look forward to hearing what it sounds like
I think that's an option and they got the idea from here...........[:D]


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Still nowhere near as good looking as the 991 GT3.

Also, my 997.1 Turbo still has a lot more torque than the new 991 Turbo S on overboost (at least 100Nm more), and that now 7 year old technology with just an aftermarket sports air-filter, a sports exhaust and a remap.

I'm sorry but Porsche have left far too much in the bag again for this generation and, given a spec'ed Turbo S is now getting closers to McLaren, Lambo, Ferrari price territory, they need to step their game WAY up.

991 GT3 would definitely be my choice.
 
I don't necessarily agree on the looks front. And the Turbo S will have 750nm on overboost [;)] I wonder if the PDK in the turbo will be as sharp as the new version in the GT3? I somehow doubt it.

Compare and contrast.....

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GT3 (and Carrera 4) width is 1852mm. Turbo width is 1880mm - wider than wide-body and certainly shows in those 2 pics above. Looking forward to seeing how that wider-wide-body looks in the metal[;)]

Will the RS have the 1880mm shell...

What will the turbo Aerokit look like... I wasn't a massive fan of the 997 turbo Aerokit but this new car may look even better with a bigger wing to go with its enlarged rear haunches.
 
What's not to like? Apart from the prices, of course. Both Turbo models launched as well as the GT3, so a real choice in year two of production. One wonders what they have left in the armoury for the next few years.

I think there's a real muscularity about the design that suits the TT image. Looks a cracking car to me, but then I'm not in the market.
 
I'll have to make the time to read through the microsite. Reading about the active aero makes me want to read the rest. From the microsite:

For the first time at Porsche, active aerodynamics are being used in the new 911 Turbo models as a combination of a multi-stage, adjustable front spoiler and rear wing. The front spoiler, which comprises a flexible, pneumatically extendable elastomer, and the rear wing are extended and retracted synchronously in 3 positions.

1st stage: Start. 2nd stage: Speed. 3rd stage: Performance.

In the 1st stage (start), the front spoiler and rear wing are completely retracted. This enhances the day-to-day usability, because the risk of coming into contact with ramps, speed bumps or kerb edges, is reduced.

In the 2nd stage (speed), the front spoiler and rear wing are partially extended as of 74 mph. This ensures high driving stability, low drag and enables a high top speed.

The 3rd stage: Performance. It is activated by the push of a button: either the spoiler button or "" in combination with the Sport Chrono package "" the SPORT PLUS button. Front spoiler and rear wing are now completely extended. On the front spoiler lip, the "turbo" or "turbo S" logo is visible. In addition, the rear wing is engaged in this position by up to 15°. Through high downforce on the front and rear axle, the vehicle can, in this position, develop its full performance potential, for example, on the race circuit. In addition, the downforce offers advantages when braking from high speeds.
 
Had an email (excerpt below) which states manual available. So who is right?

With a 3.8-litre engine and seven-speed Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) transmission as standard (manual version also available), the latest 911 Turbo coupé produces an impressive 520 hp and generates 660 Nm of torque. The 911 Turbo S coupé delivers 560 hp and with the "˜overboost' function as part of the Sport Chrono Package, 750 Nm of torque can be obtained and a 0-62 mph time as low as 3.1 seconds
 
Some nice pictures here http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/frankfurt-motor-show/new-2013-porsche-911-turbo-revealed
 
It's nice, I suppose, but every time I think that it might be a good idea, remembering I've taken a £60k+ bath on my 3.5 year 14k mile 997.2 turbo and a cost to upgrade to an S of £90k+ brings me back to earth with a bump. I suppose there are some here for whom that sort of depreciation is a trifle but I am sadly not among you!
 
Just as an exercise in idle curiosity you understand, I had a quick look on the configurator to find out how the price difference between the models is made up.

As far as I can tell the options needed to bring a 991 turbo to S level are Centre Locks £2387;, 18 way seats £688, Park Assist Front £243, Sports Exterior Mirror £364, PCCB £6248, PDCC £2185, sport chrono £3092, cruise £267. Total cost of a turbo with options of £18762 would be £133,823.

No doubt someone will come along and do the sums properly but I think those are in the ball park.

So if for a moment you ignore the difference between PDSL and PDSL+ (the later doesn't seem to be an option on the turbo) the S engine is an extra £7k.

I think the thing which surprises me slightly with the stated engine outputs is there is only a cigarette paper between the standard Gen 2 997 and the 991 turbo (4% more power and 1.5% more torque); and despite the use of light weight materials and composites the new car is slightly heavier than the old one. Clearly achieving the headline fuel savings came at a price.

The conclusion I draw is that in a theoretical world my preferred model would lie somewhere between the two currently on offer in that I would like an S engine but no centre locks, PCCB or PDCC.

So for now I will continue to enjoy the C2S and watch how you early adopters spec your cars.
 
At least Porsche have released both cars at the same time to avoid the situation where the 997.2 S came out and turned out be little more than an options bundle most of which were being specified anyway and an engine re-map. I'm told the first turbo buyers - of whom I was one - were not happy and are now paying at resale time.

My dealer has said my car is worth about £60k, so depreciation is £4/mile, not as bad as Aston Martin, but enough.

The stupid, pointless, timing clock is beginning to look rather expensive because of the stuff that comes with it. I'm almost certain to pass and buy a Range Rover Sport instead.
 

ORIGINAL: blueSL

At least Porsche have released both cars at the same time to avoid the situation where the 997.2 S came out and turned out be little more than an options bundle most of which were being specified anyway and an engine re-map. I'm told the first turbo buyers - of whom I was one - were not happy and are now paying at resale time.

My dealer has said my car is worth about £60k, so depreciation is £4/mile, not as bad as Aston Martin, but enough.

The stupid, pointless, timing clock is beginning to look rather expensive because of the stuff that comes with it. I'm almost certain to pass and buy a Range Rover Sport instead.
Why?? So you can see even more frightening depreciation!![:D]
 
Interesting observations there, Nick. [;)]

Seems like the optimum spec. has been more or less reached with 997 TTS with further incremental improvements being small and expensive. It remains to be seen how much better 4 wheel steering is.

I am consistently being confused by Porsche acronyms. What is PDSL, please? [8|]

Regards,

Clive.


ORIGINAL: lowndes

Just as an exercise in idle curiosity you understand, I had a quick look on the configurator to find out how the price difference between the models is made up.

As far as I can tell the options needed to bring a 991 turbo to S level are Centre Locks £2387;, 18 way seats £688, Park Assist Front £243, Sports Exterior Mirror £364, PCCB £6248, PDCC £2185, sport chrono £3092, cruise £267. Total cost of a turbo with options of £18762 would be £133,823.

No doubt someone will come along and do the sums properly but I think those are in the ball park.

So if for a moment you ignore the difference between PDSL and PDSL+ (the later doesn't seem to be an option on the turbo) the S engine is an extra £7k.

I think the thing which surprises me slightly with the stated engine outputs is there is only a cigarette paper between the standard Gen 2 997 and the 991 turbo (4% more power and 1.5% more torque); and despite the use of light weight materials and composites the new car is slightly heavier than the old one. Clearly achieving the headline fuel savings came at a price.

The conclusion I draw is that in a theoretical world my preferred model would lie somewhere between the two currently on offer in that I would like an S engine but no centre locks, PCCB or PDCC.

So for now I will continue to enjoy the C2S and watch how you early adopters spec your cars.
 

ORIGINAL: mr pg

Had an email (excerpt below) which states manual available. So who is right?

With a 3.8-litre engine and seven-speed Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) transmission as standard (manual version also available), the latest 911 Turbo coupé produces an impressive 520 hp and generates 660 Nm of torque. The 911 Turbo S coupé delivers 560 hp and with the "˜overboost' function as part of the Sport Chrono Package, 750 Nm of torque can be obtained and a 0-62 mph time as low as 3.1 seconds

I also had similar email saying manual avalaible. From James Eastwood - Porsche UK Product Manager 911. If he doesn't know who does?
 

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