996 Turbo
- Thread starter raviramyead
- Start date
Faz
New member
beavercraig interesting to note you went from a 997C2S to a 996TT. I've had an 05/05 997C2S from new and although it still ticks all the boxes for me the current price of 2003-2005 996TT's has made me consider the same change. I drove an X50 with aerokit recently and the performance was astonishing although the overall package felt "sloppy" compared to the 997C2S. In my opinion the 996TT X50 is THE bargain Porsche of the moment, and paying almost double for a 997TT can't be justified unless money's no object. I'd appreciate you posting your experiences of the 997C2S and 996TT when you get chance.
If you find the standard suspension too sloppy, try an X50 with the porsche "turbo sports suspension" package, it lowers it by 20mm, has more negative camber and a fair bit stiffer. I believe that it changes the character of the car, making it far sharper and focused. Only down side is you have to watch the ground clearance with the aerokit.
just had a recent service and three new front raditors at an OPC (thank you porsche warranty !!) and discussed my next car.
The view of the very knowledgeable service manager was that the only option I had of an upgrade was to a 997 Turbo and told me it was a better car than the 996tt by some margin.
He said I would be disappointed with the power and torque from any of the other current 911 models including the X51 upgrade.
He said he currently has a number of 996tt owners in the same boat, who feel the £50k premium to upgrade is just too great so they are holding onto their cars.
He felt that the prices of the 996tt would significantly hold up in the next two years and range from £45-£55k for good condition cars and he did a very good job telling me to hold on to mine and resist the need to change just for the hell of it.
We discounted the GT3 as being too focussed for me.
The view of the very knowledgeable service manager was that the only option I had of an upgrade was to a 997 Turbo and told me it was a better car than the 996tt by some margin.
He said I would be disappointed with the power and torque from any of the other current 911 models including the X51 upgrade.
He said he currently has a number of 996tt owners in the same boat, who feel the £50k premium to upgrade is just too great so they are holding onto their cars.
He felt that the prices of the 996tt would significantly hold up in the next two years and range from £45-£55k for good condition cars and he did a very good job telling me to hold on to mine and resist the need to change just for the hell of it.
We discounted the GT3 as being too focussed for me.
Grant
New member
I made the move from 996TT to 997 GT3 no regrets at all, so don't discount it until you have tried it, the refinement is pretty much the same for both cars but the driver ineraction is on another level with the new GT3!
Having said that this thread is about the TT & I loved mine enough to keep it for over 3 years, great car, good value at the moment & sorry to say the 997TT isn't worth £50k more!!
I don't post that much, as most on here have far more knowlage than me, but for once i can contribute something of use , i have owned my tt since march and done 10 k in it of varying use including one track day .
My take is, that after my csl it felt rather soft, very quick by lacking focus which made me think i had made the wrong choice , anyway i spoke to a few people and had a bit of a think , i decided on a suspension kit but as the car was under warrenty wanted to keep it as stock as poss so opted for the x73 kit but also fitted gt 2 lower control arms and had the car set up at pars , they ended up setting it up to their stage one gt2 setup . this coupled with decent fluid and RS29 pads have totaly transformed the car . not quite perfect yet . thinking about anti roll bars next !
Keith
My take is, that after my csl it felt rather soft, very quick by lacking focus which made me think i had made the wrong choice , anyway i spoke to a few people and had a bit of a think , i decided on a suspension kit but as the car was under warrenty wanted to keep it as stock as poss so opted for the x73 kit but also fitted gt 2 lower control arms and had the car set up at pars , they ended up setting it up to their stage one gt2 setup . this coupled with decent fluid and RS29 pads have totaly transformed the car . not quite perfect yet . thinking about anti roll bars next !
Keith
Gordon Attar
New member
Car has just appeared at Northways with new clutch, brakes for £39k and only 46k miles
beavercraig
New member
I loved my 997 C2S. Had it for two years.Not sure about the bargain of the century as I paid 61k for it! See my thoughts on 996 Forum. I have loads of criticisms of the 996tt! They are all the reasons why I wanted one!!
] The only real critisism I have are the brakes are not as good as they could be! I have a 997tt on order and am about to spec it but I might put the order back until the new facelift direct injection car is out with 500bhp in September. I would keep the 996TT and add the DMS upgrade taking it to 550bhp and perhaps sort the brakes out. The residuals may also get better during next year. Overall I still get excited whenever I drive the 996tt, even slowly and I had lost that in the C2S.I paid £70k for mine last year at just over 2 years old, I still think it was a bargain []as it would have cost £108k new[&:] (Aerokit/X50/X73 and other bits.) And I saved £10k plus over a 997GT3 that my OPC said wasn,t available any more!!![] Despite a few niggles (due in the main to inadequate Porsche warranty) I still think the car is fabulous and it suits my all year 1000miles a month brilliantly. []
Beavercraig, With A DMS upgrade I very much doubt if the 997tt will actually get from A to B as quick?). I have looked extensively on the internet and cannot find any comparison figures between an X50/X73 996tt and a 997tt switched onto sport setting. All track lap time comparisons appear to be using a standard 996tt and the general conscensus seems to be that with the mods the 996tt times are much improved (some think it could be faster than the 997) The main advantage I see of the 997 is that the suspension can be adjusted softer for our poor roads, as the X73 suspension does make the car very stiff, although comfort does improve with speed!!
KeithD, did you also have the stiifer engine mounts fitted that normally come with the X73? I would be interested to hear how the stiffer antiroll bars affected handling. Have you any information from those who have done it?
]as it would have cost £108k new[&:] (Aerokit/X50/X73 and other bits.) And I saved £10k plus over a 997GT3 that my OPC said wasn,t available any more!!![] Despite a few niggles (due in the main to inadequate Porsche warranty) I still think the car is fabulous and it suits my all year 1000miles a month brilliantly. []Beavercraig, With A DMS upgrade I very much doubt if the 997tt will actually get from A to B as quick?). I have looked extensively on the internet and cannot find any comparison figures between an X50/X73 996tt and a 997tt switched onto sport setting. All track lap time comparisons appear to be using a standard 996tt and the general conscensus seems to be that with the mods the 996tt times are much improved (some think it could be faster than the 997) The main advantage I see of the 997 is that the suspension can be adjusted softer for our poor roads, as the X73 suspension does make the car very stiff, although comfort does improve with speed!!
KeithD, did you also have the stiifer engine mounts fitted that normally come with the X73? I would be interested to hear how the stiffer antiroll bars affected handling. Have you any information from those who have done it?
x73 kit came from Gert at carawal as a complete kit with engine mounts was about £1750 from memory , i had read previously that the mounts changed the feel of the gear change and took this with a large pinch of salt , first thing i noticed was the gear change felt more positive. Perhaps someone with a bit more experance can expalin why .
Not been able to actualy speak to anyone who has actualy done the antiroll bars , Gert advised to just upgrade the rear ones , speaking to someone else they came up with the same thing, this will apparantlly kill off more of the understeer. I'm holding off doing this until i have spoken to someone who has actualy done it.
I think the biggest change has been brought about by the change to the geometry with the gt2 track control arms and the parr set up. cost wise i had some other work done as well so will have to look up the invoice.
Keith
Not been able to actualy speak to anyone who has actualy done the antiroll bars , Gert advised to just upgrade the rear ones , speaking to someone else they came up with the same thing, this will apparantlly kill off more of the understeer. I'm holding off doing this until i have spoken to someone who has actualy done it.
I think the biggest change has been brought about by the change to the geometry with the gt2 track control arms and the parr set up. cost wise i had some other work done as well so will have to look up the invoice.
Keith
beavercraig
New member
What do you guys think of the brakes ? My car had brand new discs and pads on back in March. Whilst its always stopped sometimes I get quite alot of travel on the pedal. I don't think the brakes are as good as my BMW! Is there a quick fix for this or is it big bucks?
know what you mean, I have a 330d too and mile wife a range rover and you certainly know about it when you stand on those brakes. People have commented that mine feel 'wooden'. asked an OPC recently I think the quick and cheap fix is breaded hoses, don't know too much about these but I understand it stops expansion in the hose thus making braking feel more responsive. they don't actually make any difference to the stopping power though.
I was tempted to go for bigger discs, but the more parts I add the more I have to take off when it comes to selling through the OPC and will affect warranty. They have already told me I must take off my techart exhaust on trade in just after commenting how good it sounded LOL
Had to slow down rather quickly for a speed camera recently - brakes does pull up the car very effectively when needed.
I was tempted to go for bigger discs, but the more parts I add the more I have to take off when it comes to selling through the OPC and will affect warranty. They have already told me I must take off my techart exhaust on trade in just after commenting how good it sounded LOL
Had to slow down rather quickly for a speed camera recently - brakes does pull up the car very effectively when needed.
sawood12
New member
I think you'll find they're suppposed to be under-servo'd for better feel and modulation. Your BMW brakes (or any other road car for that matter) would be over servo'd in comparison as it is a family car. It's a case of getting used to the feel and using a bit more effort. It all makes sense on track.
The simple fact of life is that production numbers will always effect residuals. Look at 964 3.6 turbo, 993TT, 993GT2, 996TT and 997 TT. Compare to Gallardo, Murcielago and Diablo. The greater volume produced the more choice the 2nd hand buyer has. Therefore those selling particularly if a little desperate will need to price accordingly to catch the buyer's eye. I can't see Porsche restricting production to protect residuals, wishful thinking . If you really want a 993GT2 you ain't going to buy a decent road car for less than a £110K minimum. As a side note Porsche where looking at restricting the production of 996GT3RS's. Buyers winged big time to the OPC's that they desperateley wanted one. They won the day and more where produced. These are the same chaps that winge about the drop in price of the 996GT3RS. In reality your dammed if you do and dammed if you don't.
turbo jonny
PCGB Member
modifications may be desirable but dont add to the value of a car.Lots of 996tt out there so shop around. Porsche warranty is some peace of mind in the first year of ownership.
adamcribben
New member
Thanks guys, i thought as much, its not my 1st choice 911 i have to say but the wife will be driving it also
ideal car would the 965 3.6
i looked at a few but non were in the condition as discribed
ideal car would the 965 3.6
i looked at a few but non were in the condition as discribed
turbo jonny
PCGB Member
Agree the 3.6t is the ideal drivers choice! 996tt is a better all weather/daily driver. My missus drives the 3.6 quite happily , but it just get used for pleasure on fine days. If you are serious about finding a good 3.6 e-mail me for some help!
Posts made and opinions expressed are those of the individual forum members
Use of the Forum is subject to the Terms and Conditions
