Air Con
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Better to wait for the right car. It would be both expensive and a cludge to get an aftermarket system fitted.![[FONT=verdana,geneva"]](/forum/styles/default/pcgb/space.gif ". [FONT=verdana,geneva\"]")
As an alternative you could fit the OE system from another car I guess. I have the pipes, condenser and evaporator from my Turbo spare (I sold the compressor) but you'd be well advised to get a new evaporator and condenser as they don't last forever. Be warned that fitting an evaporator is a dash out job and fitting the pipes will be a horrendous task based on my experience of removing them from a car with it's engine out. You'd also need different brackets for the alternator as well as a different cowl for the back of it but if the Turbo ones are the same as the S2 then I have all that spare too. I would straight-swap my heater controls with the air-con button with anyone who has a set in equal (perfect) condition without the button.
As an alternative you could fit the OE system from another car I guess. I have the pipes, condenser and evaporator from my Turbo spare (I sold the compressor) but you'd be well advised to get a new evaporator and condenser as they don't last forever. Be warned that fitting an evaporator is a dash out job and fitting the pipes will be a horrendous task based on my experience of removing them from a car with it's engine out. You'd also need different brackets for the alternator as well as a different cowl for the back of it but if the Turbo ones are the same as the S2 then I have all that spare too. I would straight-swap my heater controls with the air-con button with anyone who has a set in equal (perfect) condition without the button.
edh
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You don't want to know the worst case [
]...but it's well into 4 figures. Can't help you with local specialists I'm afraid.
If the a/c isn't working, you've probably got a leak. Mine leaked from the pipework. The rubber pieces in the pipework become porous over time. The new gases appear to leak faster than the old stuff (smaller molecules I understand).
New lines from Porsche are very expensive, fitting them is a sizeable job. After trying (and failing) with 2nd hand lines (lasted 2 days), my a/c man chopped off the pipework & clamped new a/c hose to the ends. It held for a month or so, but wasn't a good fix. If I ever get round to it, I'm going to get Pirtek to replace the jubilee clips with some decent swaged fittings.
]...but it's well into 4 figures. Can't help you with local specialists I'm afraid. If the a/c isn't working, you've probably got a leak. Mine leaked from the pipework. The rubber pieces in the pipework become porous over time. The new gases appear to leak faster than the old stuff (smaller molecules I understand).
New lines from Porsche are very expensive, fitting them is a sizeable job. After trying (and failing) with 2nd hand lines (lasted 2 days), my a/c man chopped off the pipework & clamped new a/c hose to the ends. It held for a month or so, but wasn't a good fix. If I ever get round to it, I'm going to get Pirtek to replace the jubilee clips with some decent swaged fittings.
Neil Haughey
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Mine in the 68 works fine, but I always hear a high pitched sound from under the dash which to me sounds like a vacuum leak. However I traced round the vacuum lines both around the engine bay and into the dash and couldn't see a problem. Any ideas what is going on? its only a slight sound but I can't but help think something isn't right. From memory I had the same sound when the recirc is put on so that would make me think the flap that closes of the outside air must be vacuum driven, maybe that's it.
Lemon
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Getting aircon upto speed is expensive.
I had to replace most of the pipework on mine, ouch!!!
Then it leaked afetr 1 week through the body of the the compressor[]
Had it rebuilt that lasted about 4 weeks.
Last year Porscheshop rebuilt the compressor for me and replaced the gas with the new R12 replacement. They do not have to convert your old system to the new type and so far nearly 10 months on I have no leaks and ICE cold aircon.
It is nice but it cost me an arm and a leg to sort out[]
I had to replace most of the pipework on mine, ouch!!!
Then it leaked afetr 1 week through the body of the the compressor[
]Had it rebuilt that lasted about 4 weeks.
Last year Porscheshop rebuilt the compressor for me and replaced the gas with the new R12 replacement. They do not have to convert your old system to the new type and so far nearly 10 months on I have no leaks and ICE cold aircon.
It is nice but it cost me an arm and a leg to sort out[
]
idc1873
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Correct Lemon.[]
The old R12 is no longer in use (cfc`s etc) find someone that does "drop in`s" BUT not the R134 stuff, the equivelant to the old R12 is, if i remember correctly R431. Any air con company can do drop ins. Without use/over time the seal on the compressor can dry up and leak there, for about 40 quid its worth a go. Just had mine done and now its as cold as a very cold thing.
]The old R12 is no longer in use (cfc`s etc) find someone that does "drop in`s" BUT not the R134 stuff, the equivelant to the old R12 is, if i remember correctly R431. Any air con company can do drop ins. Without use/over time the seal on the compressor can dry up and leak there, for about 40 quid its worth a go. Just had mine done and now its as cold as a very cold thing.
Fat Albert
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Give TWG Motorsport in Peterborough or Barr-Tech in Cambridge a call (TWG likely to be cheaper!)
They both know their way around the 4 pot cars
They both know their way around the 4 pot cars
garyalanlane
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Thanks for the replies guys
Yes, but the usual response is sell the car and buy one with air-con fitted. An alternative is to buy an after-market kit.
The main problems with retro-fitting genuine Porsche parts are significant differences in the heater box assembly, holes/welded in drain tubes in the floor and bulkhead, and an entirely different engine bay and dashboard loom.
Not sure if the turbo engine bay loom is different to an S2, which if it is would significantly reduce the number of potential looms available that could be used.
Yep, I have looked at doing exactly that on numerous occasions... I bought a Turbo.
The main problems with retro-fitting genuine Porsche parts are significant differences in the heater box assembly, holes/welded in drain tubes in the floor and bulkhead, and an entirely different engine bay and dashboard loom.
Not sure if the turbo engine bay loom is different to an S2, which if it is would significantly reduce the number of potential looms available that could be used.
Yep, I have looked at doing exactly that on numerous occasions... I bought a Turbo.
Chrishazle
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In about 1999, just after I bought my 968, I asked my OPS (not sure if it was Tonbridge or Portslade) for a price to retrofit Porsche aircon to the car. £9 grand (I think it was £5k parts and £4k labour) plus they wanted the car for a week - take out entire engine and dashboard! I believe the 944S2 and 968 are very similar.
If there is a (very much) cheaper way, I'd like to know, as aircon is something I'd love on my 968.
If there is a (very much) cheaper way, I'd like to know, as aircon is something I'd love on my 968.
'Tis just the hot weather Scotty; take the sunroof out, open the windows, take a cold drink with you and in a couple of weeks the weather will have cooled down and the problem gone away.
In all seriousness, Air Con has always struck me as a con (!) in the UK climate. Yes, it's nice for a couple of weeks of the year but the rest of the time it is extra weight to lug around and extra parts to go wrong. As well as extra fuel to be consumed when it is turned on (which you need to do regularly otherwise the system breaks, which is more money again.) Not to mention the bi-annual topping up of the thing with more gas and whatnot.
I dare say in a hotter climate it makes more sense, but in the UK I'm more than happy to simply be a bit warm ... after all, it's not like it is hot for very long 'round here.
Oli.
In all seriousness, Air Con has always struck me as a con (!) in the UK climate. Yes, it's nice for a couple of weeks of the year but the rest of the time it is extra weight to lug around and extra parts to go wrong. As well as extra fuel to be consumed when it is turned on (which you need to do regularly otherwise the system breaks, which is more money again.) Not to mention the bi-annual topping up of the thing with more gas and whatnot.
I dare say in a hotter climate it makes more sense, but in the UK I'm more than happy to simply be a bit warm ... after all, it's not like it is hot for very long 'round here.
Oli.
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