Alzen ... Converted Cup For Sale
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DSCBoy
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So you've traced the shell number back to the original VIN? Great work buddy!!!
Not sure about the "decommissioned" bit though as that would imply that the race cars no longer exist which I'm sure isn't true... in fact this would line up with what I recall being told originally: that the race cars were reshelled after shunts or at the end of season and those shells built into road cars with spares to keep the mechanics busy through the winter. Hence the need for Alzen VINS.
Obviously they also kept new spare shells in stock at times in case they needed a quick rebuild, (it was often quicker to reshell if time was tight between races than try to straighten a shell on the jig) and I think I recall being told they had at least one left at the end of the 964 period, but it sounds like you've proved that your shell was actually on a race car for a time, so great news!
The original VIN and as importantly, the Wagenpass are still out there on the race car somewhere I'm afraid, but at least you might be able to trace who owned the car first and see if it was raced by Alzens for a while or if it's just a 2nd hand shell they bought in from another team?
Loving the detective work Des!
Not sure about the "decommissioned" bit though as that would imply that the race cars no longer exist which I'm sure isn't true... in fact this would line up with what I recall being told originally: that the race cars were reshelled after shunts or at the end of season and those shells built into road cars with spares to keep the mechanics busy through the winter. Hence the need for Alzen VINS.
Obviously they also kept new spare shells in stock at times in case they needed a quick rebuild, (it was often quicker to reshell if time was tight between races than try to straighten a shell on the jig) and I think I recall being told they had at least one left at the end of the 964 period, but it sounds like you've proved that your shell was actually on a race car for a time, so great news!
The original VIN and as importantly, the Wagenpass are still out there on the race car somewhere I'm afraid, but at least you might be able to trace who owned the car first and see if it was raced by Alzens for a while or if it's just a 2nd hand shell they bought in from another team?
Loving the detective work Des!
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Tink I have covered this, the repair at the front is not major, so dont get too excited, again there is no question as to the origin as a maritime blue Cup Car verified by many in the know, not a clubbie[], RS or indeed C2 ...
If the originals are out there as you say and mine a reshell, then they must have new guts with a pretty walloped chassis ...
As I say an original Jurgen Alzen Motorsport build No 1 .... as it left Alzen except the rear wing .... so original mate!
Late to the party but can I ask why do you care so much? Surely you bought the car for your own enjoyment OR did you buy it as you always suspected it was this 'Altzen' missing link and you thought you were onto a winner?
Either way reading this thread there doesn't seem to be any actual paperwork to prove the claims so its merely your word against a doubter. Would GT Classics not have pieced the jigsaw together if they had suspected it was this historic race car?
They deal in enough of these cars to have done some research surely?
MAybe all these questions have already been answered and if they have apologies but I cant see where this is going. You have a great looking car that's gotta be lots of fun is that not good enough?
I think you bought a great looking car, I love it
Dunno about Alzen its getting more like Alzheimer's !!!!!!!!!
Lay down God Forbid .... it's always nice to know the origins, harmless investigations of the last 6 Months have uncovered some very interesting facts. Happy with the car as I bought it, but meat now on the bone. I know now the Build and Chassis number when "new" from the factory in 1991, an original M700 Cup Car as verified by numbers and Paul Mc ... later decommissioned from Racing and built for a Venerable Customer as is today in late 1992 with a DP Motorsport Engine .... still a M700 CUP .... I will enjoy. The End.
SOunds interesting Des, so you have sourced the paperwork to prove the cars origins?
Great find, Unlike GT Classics for not knowing this given their level of expertise and experience. Enjoy
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Tink I have covered this, the repair at the front is not major, so dont get too excited, again there is no question as to the origin as a maritime blue Cup Car verified by many in the know, not a clubbie[
If the originals are out there as you say and mine a reshell, then they must have new guts with a pretty walloped chassis ...
As I say an original Jurgen Alzen Motorsport build No 1 .... as it left Alzen except the rear wing .... so original mate!
Late to the party but can I ask why do you care so much? Surely you bought the car for your own enjoyment OR did you buy it as you always suspected it was this 'Altzen' missing link and you thought you were onto a winner?
Either way reading this thread there doesn't seem to be any actual paperwork to prove the claims so its merely your word against a doubter. Would GT Classics not have pieced the jigsaw together if they had suspected it was this historic race car?
They deal in enough of these cars to have done some research surely?
MAybe all these questions have already been answered and if they have apologies but I cant see where this is going. You have a great looking car that's gotta be lots of fun is that not good enough?
I think you bought a great looking car, I love it
Dunno about Alzen its getting more like Alzheimer's !!!!!!!!!
Lay down God Forbid .... it's always nice to know the origins, harmless investigations of the last 6 Months have uncovered some very interesting facts. Happy with the car as I bought it, but meat now on the bone. I know now the Build and Chassis number when "new" from the factory in 1991, an original M700 Cup Car as verified by numbers and Paul Mc ... later decommissioned from Racing and built for a Venerable Customer as is today in late 1992 with a DP Motorsport Engine .... still a M700 CUP .... I will enjoy. The End.
SOunds interesting Des, so you have sourced the paperwork to prove the cars origins?
Great find, shame on GT Classics for not knowing this. May put some off using them for inspections in the future. Enjoy
David can I say NOW that GT CLASSICS have been very very pro - active and helpful in all this and without the help of Paul McLean, I would not be where I am at the moment, I can not say anymore than this at the moment without giving the whole game away, needless to say, without Paul, who is and still remains the number ONE authority on these rare cars. He can pinpoint a weld at 100 metres.
I have nothing but admiration and respect for Paul and the help he gives us ALL here, free of charge, customers or not. He is a fellow enthusiast, who's passion has taken him to his other chosen business. Of all the dealers, specialists and even grease monkeys, I would only go to Paul now, not knocking others here, but when you find a real specialist who knows our cars even better than the factory today, where else would you go.
So big thanks Paul and keep up the good work.
Hi, ive amended my post as it didnt sound how i intended it. Im aware of the expertise Paul has and extreemly well respected in these fields. Looking forward to hearing more on the car....cheers
Thanks Rick, as I replied above, Paul has been a great help in my quest.
Decommissioned I am using loosely Rick, the Car i'm sure as is with minor suspension adjustment is ready to Race!
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I get squirrels with big nuts to chew my chassis numbers .....
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