Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!
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Now tonight we have 24 and after 30/10/24 Budget From Hell I would expect to see some serious price adjustments from November 1st
Wonder how many of these SRS have been registered to date
why will it be the budget from hell ? I am right wing but the last 10 years has made every one a lot poorer. Covid seemed to have given a lot of people a lot of money to buy cars and Watches etc but after 3 years that's all gone, and we are back to some sort of normal when cars loose 50% of the value in 3 years and not every now can now afford a super car !
Bar CGT which will effect me quite a lot if it is 40% (dare they do that ? ) , not much else will change for 99% people I would say. We have had a fixed 40% TAX bracket set for years on end now when it should be about £65k before you pay 40% TAX. and CGT TAX reduced from £12k to £3k.
We have had Stealth TAX's for the last decade eroding normal peoples wealth.
A SRS should be £70k in 3 years really..
I actually back pay per mile, if they stop normal road TAX altogether. The UK is very under funded and has been run into the ground. Labour says its promise was not to raise taxes for “working people”, So we will have to wait and see.
Bar CGT which will effect me quite a lot if it is 40% (dare they do that ? ) , not much else will change for 99% people I would say. We have had a fixed 40% TAX bracket set for years on end now when it should be about £65k before you pay 40% TAX. and CGT TAX reduced from £12k to £3k.
We have had Stealth TAX's for the last decade eroding normal peoples wealth.
A SRS should be £70k in 3 years really..
I actually back pay per mile, if they stop normal road TAX altogether. The UK is very under funded and has been run into the ground. Labour says its promise was not to raise taxes for “working people”, So we will have to wait and see.
For the very reason you state UK needs a total refunding and taxes for "working people" will have a cap to what defines working people from wealthy working people to be revealed 30/10/24
In the meantime back to topic
"A SRS should be £70k in 3 years really.." do you really think an SRS will be worth 50% less than today which isn't the case with any of the 3 previous Spyder versions so far
maybe people have less real money to spend, finance has been high and we have had cheap money. Add to that very few buyers now the VIP have them. A 718 Normal Spyder is a better nicer road car so very few can and want to afford a £140k toy on a PCP at 8%.
I never bought new cars bar the last few years, I bought GT3, CSL's all under 50% of their prices after 3 years. New money kids don't want these cars either.
Older people with money also tend not to want a car like this now days. I am 55 and don't really want to retire with one. these cars are not limited how ever an OPC tries it's hardest, Even Porsche is launching the 992.2 GT3 this friday as a cash cow as it cannot sell Tacans.
987 was a special car made in small numbers, now every GT car is 5k units + my 997 GTS manual is circa 80 UK cars !
The rich always buy 911's that what they want to be seen owning, I asked for a 992.2 GT3 my OPC just about laughed at me again. give it a year you will be offered slots no issue. SRS is under list now no buyers !
Add to this OPC know trade prices have crashed, people cannot afford to get out the cars they own atm !! Take my year old 718 GTS which was £94k my trade bid was £60k ! I own it but think of guys on finance who have to sell after 3 years and in neg equity and also paid £40k in interest.
Car markets on it's arse, even the ltd built Honda FL5 is under list and you get £4k off one now and it's ltd UK bulids and these were overs ! now loads for sale , in a sale ! it's at all levels. there is no car market on newer cars.
I would like to try a SRS but don't want to pay for a WP car, seems pointless on a SRS to me, and want to pay £15k under list for a non WP car, this will happen within 12 months maybe next Christmas. bt again not if my RS is worth £90k !! I'll just keep that, imo it's a better car than the SRS anyway and will be more sort after going forward as the track guys seem to love them.
todays news headlines "EVs coming off financing agreements have been found to be worth less than the loans used to pay for them." 85% people cannot afford to replace like for like now ! they are forced to downgrade their car's to cheaper ones.
I never bought new cars bar the last few years, I bought GT3, CSL's all under 50% of their prices after 3 years. New money kids don't want these cars either.
Older people with money also tend not to want a car like this now days. I am 55 and don't really want to retire with one. these cars are not limited how ever an OPC tries it's hardest, Even Porsche is launching the 992.2 GT3 this friday as a cash cow as it cannot sell Tacans.
987 was a special car made in small numbers, now every GT car is 5k units + my 997 GTS manual is circa 80 UK cars !
The rich always buy 911's that what they want to be seen owning, I asked for a 992.2 GT3 my OPC just about laughed at me again. give it a year you will be offered slots no issue. SRS is under list now no buyers !
Add to this OPC know trade prices have crashed, people cannot afford to get out the cars they own atm !! Take my year old 718 GTS which was £94k my trade bid was £60k ! I own it but think of guys on finance who have to sell after 3 years and in neg equity and also paid £40k in interest.
Car markets on it's arse, even the ltd built Honda FL5 is under list and you get £4k off one now and it's ltd UK bulids and these were overs ! now loads for sale , in a sale ! it's at all levels. there is no car market on newer cars.
I would like to try a SRS but don't want to pay for a WP car, seems pointless on a SRS to me, and want to pay £15k under list for a non WP car, this will happen within 12 months maybe next Christmas. bt again not if my RS is worth £90k !! I'll just keep that, imo it's a better car than the SRS anyway and will be more sort after going forward as the track guys seem to love them.
todays news headlines "EVs coming off financing agreements have been found to be worth less than the loans used to pay for them." 85% people cannot afford to replace like for like now ! they are forced to downgrade their car's to cheaper ones.
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That's a bit of a difficult read, David, but it's 100% spot-on in my view. A good summary of the market and the SRS market in particular.
James
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Nice to see a non-WP car without the full or part-painted carbon bonnet. But pricing it above list at the present time, with allocations available (and sometimes hanging around for a fair while), seems a touch ambitious.
James
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Porsche Centres current pricing on the RS's makes no sense to me at all and the day of correction is looming ever nearer as we enter darker days not to mention "the Budget"
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987 I think.
Use the money left over for trips.
Use the money left over for trips.
Splashing is fun
718 PDK is the best all rounder and you get PDK option which really works with the 4.0, even faster than the RS at lower revs more torque lower down. 987 is fun and £50k buys the best ones. RS is a toy with very ltd use, 981 is the worse one. (it's not a bad car but one has to come last)
Even the review in PP was misleading ! as it said the engine loved to rev when it actually looses power and hates to rev !! 981 also has the worse steering feel., so while it's a fun car due to the sound track, imo it's the least driver focused one with that detuned engine and poor steering feel.
I also think the weight talks are misleading Porsche used to always tell people the lightest spec cars, now they have to show the heavy spec cars weight, but 981 owners love to say the 981 is the lightest by a long way when it's not, as not many have PCCB, Buckets, no AC and no radio ! And Porsche put that spec up vs a 718 comfort car with steels, AC and Radio !!
Standard 718 in PDK for me seems the best all rounder esp if you want to do the odd track day, and just fit a rear exhaust section. 987 2nd it's fun and just fast enough, RS 3rd imo as while it's fun the engine on the road is no better than the 4.0 normal one 95% of the time as the powers higher up, and that bloody roof, the 981 is last because it is
I have owned all 4 sort of bar the 4RS over the Spyder RS and I will buy a 718 PDK at some point as now Spyderless for the 1st time in 12 years. and just put a nice exhaust on it, maybe even remap it to +450hp. the GT3 engine while fun it's not really a road going engine and to be speed limited with the roof up on the RS is a pitter as the cars so fast it gets to 124mph pretty quick that wuld get annoying on euro hoons imo. My GTS 4.0 covers more road faster than my 4RS and is more responsive at 3 to 4k revs also. that leaves the Spyder RS in a bit of no mans land, it's much slower on track due to the soft damping and not that nice to drive on the road unless totally thrashing it and then the roof would blow off. , I actually have stopped using my 4RS on the road because to enjoy the car you have to thrash it to 8.5k revs ALL the time. (it's my track toy now) this is where the 987 wins vs the other 4 cars, just enough speed and the most feel.
So you just have to buy the one which suits what you want. my other half loved the 981 the most as an example, while I put it last as a drivers tool, it's prob the best life style choice due to the cheaper prices. No wrong choices (A lot of mis info mind you) if you like one car just go for it 4 amazing cars.
Even the review in PP was misleading ! as it said the engine loved to rev when it actually looses power and hates to rev !! 981 also has the worse steering feel., so while it's a fun car due to the sound track, imo it's the least driver focused one with that detuned engine and poor steering feel.
I also think the weight talks are misleading Porsche used to always tell people the lightest spec cars, now they have to show the heavy spec cars weight, but 981 owners love to say the 981 is the lightest by a long way when it's not, as not many have PCCB, Buckets, no AC and no radio ! And Porsche put that spec up vs a 718 comfort car with steels, AC and Radio !!
Standard 718 in PDK for me seems the best all rounder esp if you want to do the odd track day, and just fit a rear exhaust section. 987 2nd it's fun and just fast enough, RS 3rd imo as while it's fun the engine on the road is no better than the 4.0 normal one 95% of the time as the powers higher up, and that bloody roof, the 981 is last because it is
I have owned all 4 sort of bar the 4RS over the Spyder RS and I will buy a 718 PDK at some point as now Spyderless for the 1st time in 12 years. and just put a nice exhaust on it, maybe even remap it to +450hp. the GT3 engine while fun it's not really a road going engine and to be speed limited with the roof up on the RS is a pitter as the cars so fast it gets to 124mph pretty quick that wuld get annoying on euro hoons imo. My GTS 4.0 covers more road faster than my 4RS and is more responsive at 3 to 4k revs also. that leaves the Spyder RS in a bit of no mans land, it's much slower on track due to the soft damping and not that nice to drive on the road unless totally thrashing it and then the roof would blow off.
, I actually have stopped using my 4RS on the road because to enjoy the car you have to thrash it to 8.5k revs ALL the time. (it's my track toy now) this is where the 987 wins vs the other 4 cars, just enough speed and the most feel. So you just have to buy the one which suits what you want. my other half loved the 981 the most as an example, while I put it last as a drivers tool, it's prob the best life style choice due to the cheaper prices. No wrong choices (A lot of mis info mind you) if you like one car just go for it 4 amazing cars.
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