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Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!
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need some red bull in thou's cup holders, oh no wait you don't have any... I think I do more laps in the warm then you do your whole day! do your dunlops even get any heat into themORIGINAL: MrDemon nope
track days get dull, I am quite quick on them and they do nothing for me these days, round and round in a car which is not a race car !!! been there done it in a fully track spec Exige with proper 46MM Ohlins 3 ways and large AP's. hence wanting to do some thing timed vs others in a road car class. track days are normally 80% novice and people just get in the way, and because they are safe events you have to wait to over take which can take 3 laps of annoyance and flashing lights. and as you are not allowed to flash your lights to the car in front people just get upset. last 3 events have all been evening ones with to many people spinning off and red flag all the time, so even less time on tack and no time to cool the car/brakes as you try and make up for the lost time with red flags. but then you get a clear lap and it's still dull as no one to over take, cannot win lol only thing worth doing is catching up faster cars for a laugh. Now I am no race driver and don't pretend to be one, but the level of driving on track days is very low imo. of course there is always some one faster but that's life, I class myself in the top 10% at a track day as a keen amateur and that's that. I find I am even slower in the Porsche as I don't want to wrek a 40k car so only drive at 85% any way.
sounds like you need to do different track days?
I have joined 3 track day clubs, I still find them to amateur. As I say , been and done it, got board of it and now too protective of my car on them. I am not rich, so racings out the window, if I wanted to track day again lots I would buy another Exige as they are cheap to maintain and run. my mate does hill climbs but it's a lot of waiting about and time to do a few hill climbs over 3 days which maybe only 2 minutes and 5 runs. I joined Porsche on track to hope for a more focus group of people but they went bust after 1 event. So yes while I know a little about sets up from my Exige days and having to work out 3 way shocks etc, I do like to get my 2 cars I own now to be as good as they can be as I hate understeer :-0) So always get geo's done and work out what can and cannot be used on the raod to the max. I doubt any one here has chalked their tyres and try to work out what camber they need.
I chalk my tyres, takes temps, fine tune etc etc, it's as good as it can be on the road, it's a bit of fun and takes away work stress at weekends playing. I question every one and ask why on Piston heads, yes I get abuse a lot, but normally they cannot back up what they say and hence the abuse. The intetnet is full of sheep, one person will post a setting up every one copies it and then says it's great , lol it's a bit of a joke imo. I set up my cars how I think is best, I listen to people but don't copy any one, as it's pointless. I do try and help any one at track days who is having issues and people do email me from around the world to ask about set ups which I find odd. here is a few pics of painting your tyres and camber use that was not me driving that, it was the gf to see how much she could use lol hence why camber can be waistedt on some people, 
If you cannot wear all that off you have too much camber. to much camber means worse turn in, less traction etc etc every one add loads of neg camber, can these people really use it ?, I would say no, but it looks good and it's what that pro race driver on slicks uses so must be good then is more camber the answer to going faster if you are fast ? Mostly no !, it normally means your car has too much roll, so adding more camber is masking the real issue of body roll. My mate is a wheel man for a classic Porsche race team, they employed a pro chassis tech to look at them gaining speed over all per lap. net result was camber back down at -1.5 and stiffer ARB 6 seconds a lap gain in time but you see cars running -3.5 and more as they keep chasing an issues which is caused by roll.... if your chassis rolls 4 degrees you don't have a camber issue do you ? but people will try and add more to chase that 4 degrees roll and it's never going to happen. then the problem is a track set up on the road is unusable, My Exige3 was unusable on the road just like I think a GT3 is.
then is more camber the answer to going faster if you are fast ? Mostly no !, it normally means your car has too much roll, so adding more camber is masking the real issue of body roll. My mate is a wheel man for a classic Porsche race team, they employed a pro chassis tech to look at them gaining speed over all per lap. net result was camber back down at -1.5 and stiffer ARB 6 seconds a lap gain in time but you see cars running -3.5 and more as they keep chasing an issues which is caused by roll.... if your chassis rolls 4 degrees you don't have a camber issue do you ? but people will try and add more to chase that 4 degrees roll and it's never going to happen. then the problem is a track set up on the road is unusable, My Exige3 was unusable on the road just like I think a GT3 is.
You should book to come to Oulton, there's only about 7 cars ATM so no hold ups there
I think Steve Brookes only posted the forum users that are booked on - the majority of attenders don't use the forum. Will still be a nice and quiet day though I would have thought.
Thank god for that I was thinking it was going to be severely undersubscribed [8D]
All my paperwork came through in the post yesterday so it looks like it's still on! Cecil - have you found out if you can make it yet? Other Spydermen also very welcome! It's not too far for Mr D either - we promise not to stand around your car like the GT3 boys - would be good to see how your lightweight car goes round Oulton.
Worth a mention that PCGB track days don't have any problem with overtaking. The protocol is to let a faster car through. We're all in the same club and out to let everyone enjoy it. If you see a faster car coming up, put your right indicator on, move to the right, ease off the gas and let them through. If you're approaching the corner, the corner is yours, don't worry about them. They attended the same briefing where they know no overtaking in the corners. Can't see why anyone would hold up a faster car unless they are treating it like a race. You can't enjoy fast laps if you are trying to hold off a faster car and constantly looking in your mirrors. You'd have to say there's no 'trying' to overtake on a PCGB track day because the car in front gives you the road once they've seen you are faster. Rob, thanks for asking. I'm dithering. I may end up paying on the day. Lots going on and i'm quite tired and a track day is only enjoyable if you're feeling fresh[]
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Go on Cecil, the adrenaline rush will wake you up []
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You've got the weekend to train - you could go for a long run on Sunday morning? []
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the last two cars which have held me up have been a Lotus and a Noble, neither would let me by, yes I could have just over taken them without consent, but NO one should do that. And there is no way you can over take a Noble on the straight if they flaw it every straight !!! but the guy was over 10 seconds off the lap pace in total, not that you can quote that as NO timing allowed on track days either. So you are waiting for said idiots to wave you by, and if they don't nothing you can do but come into the pits, which is what I did with the Noble driver, do a run though the pit lane next lap and get them out the way. I find it all very annoying and will let faster drivers past within 1 corner. always some one faster normally some slick shod race team doing test laps ffs again imo should not be allowed on track days. your trying to lap some novice 10 seconds off the pace while some track hack with slicks is trying to lap you 10 seconds off the pace. Not really any fun to be had in any of that imo.
normally some slick shod race team doing test laps ffs again imo should not be allowed on track days. your trying to lap some novice 10 seconds off the pace while some track hack with slicks is trying to lap you 10 seconds off the pace. Not really any fun to be had in any of that imo.
I do understand where you are coming from. Having only done half a dozen track days the novelty hasn't worn off for me yet. I have discussed with others though where it all leads. The more you do, the more track focused you want the car. Ultimately I like driving there, driving round and driving home in the car I can still take my wife away for the weekend in. Space and budget permitting I'd want a dedicated track car - then you need a trailer. And something to tow it with. And when you are that far into it, you may as well go racing. And up the budget... I do like taking the Spyder on track as it is so good but my pace will always be undermined by the fact that it is mine, I don't want to damage it and I can't afford to do a set of tyres / brakes in just to chase a fantasy lap time. I do sometimes wonder if I'd have more fun on a track day in a stripped out old Boxster. I probably would but the reality is I just don't have the time what with work/ family commitments. There is, of course, always someone faster. If you turned up at a track day in Sebastian Vettell's Red Bull, some bastard would turn up in next year's Ferrari!
Hey there's nothing wrong with old Boxsters!! [8D]
Yours wasn't old [] But that's the point - there's nothing wrong with them at all.
] But that's the point - there's nothing wrong with them at all.
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