It's a bit sad that such a usable car has so few miles. There is nothing "high days" about the Spyder - fundamentally it's still a Boxster and that's one of the most practical, usable sports cars on the market. It must make the £/mile eye-watering to use the car so little!ORIGINAL: spyderwhiteI have just turned 2000 miles in under 2 years and she had her 1st service this week 2 months ahead of scheduleORIGINAL: daro911My brother's April 2011 1000 miles exactly[]
Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!
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I have a early car car and it's on 8k miles :-( or which ever way you think about it. But to combat that I have done another 6k in the R already, so better those miles put on the R than the Spyder. those disks look great value but I think if I were buying after market I would up up size to 350mm from 330mm as on my R they look tiny when sitting next to my PCCB's. Not sure why buying the PF disks is much of a upgrade, same size, still drilled and not slotted so I doubt there would be any performance change. if keeping the same size I would just fit a set of £150 Sebro disks, it will work just as well and cheap to change, there new sport design is also slotted.
which ever way you think about it. But to combat that I have done another 6k in the R already, so better those miles put on the R than the Spyder. those disks look great value but I think if I were buying after market I would up up size to 350mm from 330mm as on my R they look tiny when sitting next to my PCCB's. Not sure why buying the PF disks is much of a upgrade, same size, still drilled and not slotted so I doubt there would be any performance change. if keeping the same size I would just fit a set of £150 Sebro disks, it will work just as well and cheap to change, there new sport design is also slotted.
I read the PF disc bells catch all other branded pads though so you have to use PF pads also. Floating is not all that, and you still change the bells every other disk swap out as the holes can wear or every 3rd disk max. The top UK GT3 CUP race cars use oem 1 piece disks and just change them every race as they are cheap. I still don't see any performance advantage paying £600 over £150 for a set of 318mm drilled disks bar looks. at £150 a set you can just swap them out when a little worn and it's a non issue. only way to get a performance increase is too either upsize disk size and fit spacers, or buy PCCB 6 pots calipers and then steel brembo 350mm replacement large disks. so I would say any thing inbetween is not worth spending money on esp £600 on. I think only Giro sell a upsize kit with spacers which take them, from 318mm to 340mm. the PCCB are still bigger at 350MM and as I said buying the PCCB calipers and then fitted the Brembo 350MM steels 2 piece steels would be the ultimate upgrade. of course imho
whilst its great to enjoy them unfortunately the down side of such an exlusive rare car is that the mileage is the single most important thing (imo)that affects resale value. with only 230 odd cars built a car with 40-50k miles over 10 years will prob be worth double one with even less than average miles .this is what has happened to most low production porsche over the last 30-40years (on the whole). if and when i get one though,i intend to drive it [ORIGINAL: spyderwhiteI have just turned 2000 miles in under 2 years and she had her 1st service this week 2 months ahead of scheduleORIGINAL: daro911My brother's April 2011 1000 miles exactly[
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Are the 6 pot calipers the same mounting or is it a different hub? I thought the bolt pitch centres were different [&:]ORIGINAL: MrDemon I read the PF disc bells catch all other branded pads though so you have to use PF pads also. Floating is not all that, and you still change the bells every other disk swap out as the holes can wear or every 3rd disk max. The top UK GT3 CUP race cars use oem 1 piece disks and just change them every race as they are cheap. I still don't see any performance advantage paying £600 over £150 for a set of 318mm drilled disks bar looks. at £150 a set you can just swap them out when a little worn and it's a non issue. only way to get a performance increase is too either upsize disk size and fit spacers, or buy PCCB 6 pots calipers and then steel brembo 350mm replacement large disks. so I would say any thing inbetween is not worth spending money on esp £600 on. I think only Giro sell a upsize kit with spacers which take them, from 318mm to 340mm. the PCCB are still bigger at 350MM and as I said buying the PCCB calipers and then fitted the Brembo 350MM steels 2 piece steels would be the ultimate upgrade. of course imho
Dyllan You are right upto a point - however, once past a certain age a car with reasonable miles on it in A1 condition will be of more value in the market than one with lower miles that has not been looked after either cosmetically and/or mechnically. Condition tends to be King once a certain age is reached!ORIGINAL: dyllanwhilst its great to enjoy them unfortunately the down side of such an exlusive rare car is that the mileage is the single most important thing (imo)that affects resale value. with only 230 odd cars built a car with 40-50k miles over 10 years will prob be worth double one with even less than average miles .this is what has happened to most low production porsche over the last 30-40years (on the whole). if and when i get one though,i intend to drive it [ORIGINAL: spyderwhiteI have just turned 2000 miles in under 2 years and she had her 1st service this week 2 months ahead of scheduleORIGINAL: daro911My brother's April 2011 1000 miles exactly[
Thumbs up for that noise in the tunnel[
] I agree it's a waste not to use them. My personal motto is that whilst I cherish my car, it's not going to have an easier life than me, tucked up in bed half the year whilst i'm out driving. I also don't expect my car to be in a better state of health (read mileage) as I get older[] I guess it also depends what plans you have for the car. Everyone tells me to keep it as it will be go up in value. Just last night at my local Porsche Club meeting a chap reminded me again that this car is going to be sought after in years to come. They are right, but, will I have the car in 20 years? If I wasn't to use it much and kept it 10 years, it may still be on a depreciation curve whilst I didn't get as much enjoyment out of it as I could. If I plan to keep it 20 years with the plan to get back what I paid or make a profit, then yes, I should put it away and not use it. But I can't plan that far ahead, so the best value I can get from it is to use it as Porsche intended - enjoyment [] I have no experience in classic car investments but if I was going down that route i'd probably be researching cars that are currently heading that way and are 10+ years old. Picking up those cars from the first owner(s) who used the car a little or a lot is when it is crucial. Trying to get a current car to 10 years and then to 20 years - I haven't got the motivation for that. I do accept that a lower mileage car is clearly more desirable come re-sale, but if I have my Spyder in 5 years from now and it is worth £2K less than one with lower mileage, I can stomach that given the enjoyment i've had for that cost. How much do people reckon they'll save on Spyder depreciation in the time they intend to keep the car by limiting their usage? It's an open question - I have no idea. Based on what others have said about how long it takes a car to become a sought after classic, won't they still be depreciating over the next 3 to 5 years?spyderwhite
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I never intended to do such low mileage its down to a broken foot and other commitments.actually £/mile is still very cheap for me,excluding depreciation the car has cost me lot less than a pound a mile!ORIGINAL: billy1It's a bit sad that such a usable car has so few miles. There is nothing "high days" about the Spyder - fundamentally it's still a Boxster and that's one of the most practical, usable sports cars on the market. It must make the £/mile eye-watering to use the car so little!ORIGINAL: spyderwhiteI have just turned 2000 miles in under 2 years and she had her 1st service this week 2 months ahead of scheduleORIGINAL: daro911My brother's April 2011 1000 miles exactly[
i agree to a certain extent John-mileage AND condition clearly are both imprtant and an older car with low mileage thats been abused wont fetch too much( unless its a rare barn find classsic!!!!) however i was assuming we all look after our cars like you and i do so if both in similar condition ,i still think the mileage below 40-50 k may even as much as double the vaule ocer time ..i dont know the future obviously,but i wouldnt be surprised if spyders with 40-50k or less miles will be worth close to what they are now in 5-`10 years time while those with higher may well be half or less.-just my thoughts . i know when i came to sell my immaculate 89k miles 993 at 15 yrs old i got only 2-3k more than failry scruffy examples but only 2/3 what a car with 5-60k miles were fetching.I know there were far more 993`s produced but a similar kind of argument I thinkORIGINAL: jdpef356Dyllan You are right upto a point - however, once past a certain age a car with reasonable miles on it in A1 condition will be of more value in the market than one with lower miles that has not been looked after either cosmetically and/or mechnically. Condition tends to be King once a certain age is reached!ORIGINAL: dyllanwhilst its great to enjoy them unfortunately the down side of such an exlusive rare car is that the mileage is the single most important thing (imo)that affects resale value. with only 230 odd cars built a car with 40-50k miles over 10 years will prob be worth double one with even less than average miles .this is what has happened to most low production porsche over the last 30-40years (on the whole). if and when i get one though,i intend to drive it [ORIGINAL: spyderwhiteI have just turned 2000 miles in under 2 years and she had her 1st service this week 2 months ahead of scheduleORIGINAL: daro911My brother's April 2011 1000 miles exactly[
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] You make a very good point. There are powerful arguments to suggest the Spyder has many of the ingredients of desirable cars like the 964 RS - bit unloved upon launch, less weight, more power, sporty bits and added bonus of bespoke bodywork. Will take at least 15 years for values to go up instead of down though. I intend to do 5 to 6k miles a year in mine - knowing its parked in my garage doesn't give me the thrill of driving it. There is no bloody way mine will be unused in the hope that one day it may be worth something. I always hoped it may depreciate less than most new cars and I have no disappointment there but fundamentally, a couple of PCGB track days and a few laps of the Evo Triangle each year help me remember what life's all about. My car will always have the options it has, however fashionable they may or may not be in the future, it will always be kept well maintained, clean and waxed but it may just pick up a bit of a patina. And if I end up chopping it in for something else one day then so be it.I missed out a couple of important words. Now added.
ORIGINAL: flat6 My personal motto is that whilst I cherish my car, it's not going to have an easier life than me, tucked up in bed half the year whilst i'm out driving. I also don't intend for my car to be in a better state of health (read mileage) than me as I get older[
Equally good point. 15 years - can't see me having it that long. There'll be other cars i'll want to try in that time and I couldn't afford to keep the Spyder alongside them[&o] My Spyder is my daily driver and is on 19,000 miles like yours. It's so usable. If I switched to something like a 4C, that couldn't be a daily driver IMO. It's more impractical than the Spyder. The front end doesn't open i.e. only has a small rear boot. I expect the engine noise in the cabin is immense. But the Spyder is just perfect. I'm used to the wind noise now and it's proven to be weather proof. The only thing wrong with the design is that I cannot fit some roof bars to it [ORIGINAL: rob.kellockI didn't [
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nope cars only done about 200 miles on track. Not really into track days any longer. If I go to one 4 x 5 laps is enough, it's more a day out and a bit of a play/meet up etc I am very easy on my cars. I also find making a car geo work for track is no good for the road and I do many more road miles, so any track days is always a compromise on set up. I get more of a buzz on a fast B road.
cars only done about 200 miles on track. Not really into track days any longer. If I go to one 4 x 5 laps is enough, it's more a day out and a bit of a play/meet up etc I am very easy on my cars. I also find making a car geo work for track is no good for the road and I do many more road miles, so any track days is always a compromise on set up. I get more of a buzz on a fast B road.
That surprises me after your previous post
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