They throw out far more soot than I've been used to in other cars. Mine probably look like that after a week to 10 days and probably only 200 or so miles.ORIGINAL: rob.kellock Oh good. Virgin Pendolino takes 2 hours 8 minutes from The Smoke to Preston. Plenty to do here..:To be fair, poor thing hasn't turned a wheel in weeks now and my availability has not matched the absence of rain...
Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!
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Mmm... The review concludes: "Given that the entire 2014 UK allocation of 200 4Cs is sold out already, it looks like demand will outstrip supply for the foreseeable future, so residual values should be strong." I think values will stay strong for a while?
Whilst my reply was somewhat tongue in cheek as an example of what I mean look at the price of a 1989 or 1994 Speedster today circa £80-100k and then checkout the Alfa SZ from same era lucky to make £29k with only 4400 miles from new! A 40k miler would be in the high teens or low 20's if that [
] Supply and demand will determine the out come but 200 4C's in 2014 and plenty more to come in 15/16/17/ etc v 200 odd Spyders & probably similar amount of R's over an 18 month production cycle .... My money would have to be in the German camp if history repeats itself[] http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/alfa-romeo/sz/alfa-romeo-sz-zagota/1275585 
It's a fair point. I think the SZ will be very collectable one day though. My pal bought a GTV coupe when they first came out (1997?) which, like the 4C, was a pretty car. He chopped it in for a TT after it broke down once too often. Would be worth a grand now. On a good day!
The interior may be on a budget, but with the cost going into the ultra stiff, ultra light carbon fibre chassis, i'm glad they've applied some cost cutting elsewhere to keep it under £50K. A £55-60K Alfa would be a nonsense. That thing looks good! It's a Ferrari I can afford. Ferraris aren't considered as tough or as versatile as Porsches either. As I've said, it wouldn't be bought for the same reasons as a Porsche. But as Italian cars go I think it's something quite special at that price for that type of mid-engined lightweight car. If I was buying it for the same reasons I bought my Porsche it wouldn't get a look in. I don't think it can be compared to the SZ or GTV. I don't know about the SZ but the GTV was in the days when Alfas were poor quality. As nice a car as the GTV was it would spend too much time back at the dealership getting fixed. However, from about the Brera onwards, Alfas were built pretty well (I hear the Brera based Spider has some roof issues though) and are pretty much Fiats. The problem with cars like the Brera though is that they were heavy and not sporty at all i.e. not very 'Alfa-like'. I guess as daro says the supply of cars year on year will work up to quite a number over a few years and I think that will be the biggest influence on depreciation if the demand doesn't match that. Also, it depends on how many years they intend to produce it. [The Spyder's roof both hindered its sales but then helped its rarity value as we could have had 1000 Spyders if there were 1000 interested. Luckily the interest has picked up after it was shunned and created a growing market for a small number of cars.] Depreciation gets a lot of consideration though and whilst i've not had many cars to my name, depreciation has been pretty much the same on all of them, as in, much much worse than I expected. The Cayman really shocked me. The Spyder is the first car that i've owned that is actually looking to have its value influenced by demand during the time i've owned it. Values seem to be mileage sensitive more than anything else on the Spyder. Low mileage ones sell very quickly regardless of spec. High mileage ones sell very quickly regardless of spec if priced correctly at a few thousand less. I think if I was to have only bought cars without a depreciation worry, the Spyder is the only car I would have ever bought, ever[8|]. I just had that feeling when I bought it that it was a 'fairly' safe place to sink some money. Haven't seen a car since (that I can afford) that I could say the same...
That's the thing - it's exotic but relatively affordable, modern, rare and interesting. In those respects it's similar to the Spyder to those "in the know". Depreciation (or lack of it) is one of the major pluses of the Spyder and I think the 4C will maintain very good residuals. We shall see.
Residuals are probably going to hinge on build quality, reliability and no major issues arising. Otherwise looks a lovely thing for an Alfa
If the tub is not repairable from accident damage (I don't know), if need be I expect that'll be reflected in insurance premiums. If a small shunt means a new tub then they'll have to cough up [or worst case, pay out a write off] and your insurance premium would reflect that. Glass half empty or half full - I wouldn't plan ahead for crashes and disasters[]. There's more risk of crashing the faster McLaren with the same tub though[8D]. Unlike the risk of PCCBs that are also disproportionately expensive but not insured and could suffer stone or service damage [a chip or crack requires disc replacement] the tub is part of the insured car.
]. There's more risk of crashing the faster McLaren with the same tub though[8D]. Unlike the risk of PCCBs that are also disproportionately expensive but not insured and could suffer stone or service damage [a chip or crack requires disc replacement] the tub is part of the insured car.
Although on the Alfa or McLaren they would just be CCB's [ORIGINAL: flat6 If the tub is not repairable from accident damage (I don't know), if need be I expect that'll be reflected in insurance premiums. If a small shunt means a new tub then they'll have to cough up [or worst case, pay out a write off] and your insurance premium would reflect that. Glass half empty or half full - I wouldn't plan ahead for crashes and disasters[
] [][] I don't think you can get ceramic discs as an option on the Alfa. Was just making a Porsche comparison. You can get a race suspension which also includes stiffer anti-roll bars front and rear. 'Race' tyres are also an option. But I wouldn't bother with any of that and spoil its road manners
] I don't think you can get ceramic discs as an option on the Alfa. Was just making a Porsche comparison. You can get a race suspension which also includes stiffer anti-roll bars front and rear. 'Race' tyres are also an option. But I wouldn't bother with any of that and spoil its road manners
Was only a tongue pull Cecil [] Anyway.... Cayman R for sale on ebay but not sure about the wheels [&:] I think if I were selling it I'd have them done silver to match other trims even though they're not Spyder type. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331125981402?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
] Anyway.... Cayman R for sale on ebay but not sure about the wheels [&:] I think if I were selling it I'd have them done silver to match other trims even though they're not Spyder type. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331125981402?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
OhORIGINAL: Andy Fagan Was only a tongue pull Cecil [
[&:] thought you thought I was saying it had ceramics[&:][&:] I wonder how long it'll take to find a buyer who likes red wheels[X(]
They have their place...
Not so sure on a black Cayman R though!
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