Excellent! Ski bag matches the interior well!
Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!
- Thread starter daro911
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Call the fashion police. Awful.
We're up to 5. Still no logic to the pricing. I guess with such a short production run there'll be little correlation between age of the car and value. But, still no logic to the pricing[&:] Also, PC Wilmslow car dropped to roughly what it was before they put the price up[&:] (dropped before this new car appeared) Porsche Boxster Spyder, £ 37,990 Transmission:Manual Colour
latinum Silver Metallic Colour (interior):Black leather interior with Alcantara Location of the carorsche Centre Cambridge Vehicle Ident Number:WP0ZZZ98ZBS740840 Mileage:7,279 m Registration Year:08/11 Equipment: 19-inch Boxster Spyder Wheel 6-speed manual transmission Extended interior package Alcantara Boxster Spyder Fully automatic climate control ParkAssist (rear) Porsche Communication Management (PCM) including navigation module Sound Package Plus including CD storage Sport shifter Sports Bucket Seats Sports exhaust system Telephone module for PCM Universal audio interface Wheels painted in Black 2 yrs of Porsche Approved Warranty 2 yrs of Porsche Roadside Assistance Porsche finance avaialble on this car
latinum Silver Metallic Colour (interior):Black leather interior with Alcantara Location of the carorsche Centre Cambridge Vehicle Ident Number:WP0ZZZ98ZBS740840 Mileage:7,279 m Registration Year:08/11 Equipment: 19-inch Boxster Spyder Wheel 6-speed manual transmission Extended interior package Alcantara Boxster Spyder Fully automatic climate control ParkAssist (rear) Porsche Communication Management (PCM) including navigation module Sound Package Plus including CD storage Sport shifter Sports Bucket Seats Sports exhaust system Telephone module for PCM Universal audio interface Wheels painted in Black 2 yrs of Porsche Approved Warranty 2 yrs of Porsche Roadside Assistance Porsche finance avaialble on this car
Although may I refer the honourable gentleman to post #1. daro911 started all this 10000 hits ago when there were only 5 cars in the matrix. []
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Has he been watching the weather forecast closely and decided to get a Cayenne with snow chains instead?
With some nice PDK cars coming onto the market, it's time to make up my mind...[8|] I read about 2 Boxster Spyder owners who pulled up next to each other at the traffic lights (what are the chances of that!) and decided to do some drag races. One had a manual car and the other PDK. They quickly compared their cars for weight difference. Mr Manual had sports seats but Mr PDK had carbon fibre bucket seats. However Mr Manual was about the size of Bernie Ecclestone whilst Mr PDK was the size of Flavio Briatore, so they figured they were about even [
] Both had Spyder wheels shod in Michelin PS2’s and after a quick glance at each other’s tread depths they decided they were even[] So, they reckoned they were close to the official 25kg weight difference between PDK and manual and should get the expected results from a drag race. Mr PDK had Sport Chrono Package Plus. Mr Manual didn’t have Sport Chrono, nor a sport shifter, but they do not improve drag race times anyway. They did a drag race up to 62mph and the PDK car was the slower off the line. It made up some of the time in the gear change but lost the race. As they stopped at the next traffic lights, Mr PDK was disappointed that he didn’t emerge victorious, but he didn’t want to use his sport modes and decimate his new friend. Mr PDK was perplexed. He reckoned he should have been 0.1 seconds ahead (and he knew what 0.1 seconds looked like by the way [8D] ). He figured that he incurred a little delay getting off the line because he didn’t want to press both his accelerator and brake whilst in ‘Drive’ whilst not using launch control. Whereas, Mr Manual had his car prep'ed with a healthy amount of revs and the clutch just ready to bite. They decided to race again and this time Mr PDK used sport mode and by 62mph, they estimated (using their eyes alone [] ) that Mr PDK was 0.1 seconds ahead. They chatted at the next set of lights about the race. Then the lights were about to change from amber to green and Mr PDK asked for them to wait for the next light change as he needed to press his Sport Plus button and set up his Launch Control. Mr Manual said “Nah I’m offâ€, so Mr PDK quickly bashed at his sport buttons and set off, without Launch Control. Mr PDK lost the race by half a second because he had set off slightly later by the time he had pressed his button and looked back up (and didn’t have time to engage launch control). He caught up at the next set of lights as they were about to change and effectively they re-run the same race (Sport Plus but no launch control) and at 62mph they estimated that Mr PDK as 0.15 seconds ahead. At the next set of lights, Mr PDK was ready with his Sport Plus mode and Launch Control and sure enough, he won the next race to 62 by 0.3 seconds. As they cruised down the road they lowered their windows. Mr Manual said, “Good raceâ€. “What? I can’t hear you.†said Mr PDK. “That’s because you’re still in 2nd gear and your engine is screaming!†shouted Mr Manual. Mr PDK used his paddles and shifted up to 5th and calm was restored, but after a few seconds the car reverted to auto and dropped back to 2nd. Then he turned off Sport Plus mode and calm was restored as the car shifted up to 7th. As they cruised, picking up speed and going up through the gears, Mr Manual could see traffic ahead in his lane, so left his car in 4th and floored the throttle to pull over in front of Mr PDK. Before he had pulled over, but as he turned his attention back to the road, Mr PDK realised what Mr Manual was about to do and so floored his throttle also. The auto mode correctly picked 2nd gear and after a split second stutter from 7th, he propelled forward but it was too late. Mr Manual was in front of him. He realised that the auto box had been in the right gear for economy but in the wrong gear if he was in a position where he had to quickly react to what he could see in the road ahead, as Mr Manual had had to do. Later, Mr Manual pulled back over and they were driving parallel again. Mr PDK was waiting for the next manoeuvre from Mr Manual. This time, instead of stamping on the accelerator to invoke a down shift (which would be accompanied by acceleration before he would want it, or be too late), he would use a manual shift to invoke an immediate down shift at or, in advance of when he needed it. They were travelling fairly slowly so Mr Manual was in third gear and was about to change up to 4th, but on seeing the traffic ahead, stayed in 3rd as he knew he was probably going to make a manoeuvre. Mr Manual went for another overtake. Mr PDK then held his downshift paddle constant, which makes the box downshift to the lowest gear for the speed and give you the most propulsion. However, he’d left his car in normal mode, so despite the anticipated manoeuvre he planned, the car was up in 7th. In a split second it shifted to 2nd and after that brief pause he was propelled like a rocket. However Mr Manual had already made the manoeuvre in 3rd gear and was in front of him. Mr PDK realised that mind and machine working together was quicker in the manual. So, Mr PDK switched his car to manual mode and controlled all the gear changes, using his own intuition of the right gear to be in, based on the changing road conditions he could see ahead. He was now a match for Mr Manual as they continued to battle down the road. For the next few weeks, Mr PDK drove his car solely in manual mode and enjoyed it. However, he was no longer getting the 20.2mpg urban fuel economy as he was not shifting as economically as the software. Still, he was happy as he had a versatile transmission that he could drive in lots of different ways. He did however switch back to driving it mainly in auto as he was the type of driver who opted for PDK for that reason. OK OK, so I made that story up, and I DON’T race from traffic lights and I DON’T battle with other road users. However it’s the reactive scenarios why I still lean towards manual for every day driving because of the types of scenarios that has frustrated me with PDK to date. I conclude that I agree with rob.kellock that manual is the better option for me, in my Spyder. That’s the theory but to close the chapter I went to drive another PDK car and conclude my thoughts so that I could stop looking at PDK Spyders, or go buy one. So, I have been for a drive a 991 C2S PDK. It turned out to be the wrong and right choice for what I was trying to conclude. The sales guy was very informative and we discussed the new transmission. I asked him whether he preferred manual or PDK. His view was that it depends on the car. If it was a 2.7 Boxster, he’d prefer a manual to better control and make use the lesser power (I don’t know if he was referring to a 987 or 981 Boxster with regards to preferring manual over PDK). Whereas, he felt that a 991 had the power for PDK to give good performance in any gear. I could see his point. Then I drove the car. The new PDK is remarkably different to 997/987 PDK. With 2nd generation PDK, even when in Normal mode, when cruising in 7th, as soon as you touch the accelerator it drops to 6th. A little more pedal travel and it’s in 5th, and so on. So when you go for a big squirt on the gas its down into 3rd before the gas pedal has reached the floor and it’s very instant. It’s like it’s always in the right gear for the throttle position as opposed to where the throttle ends up. With the first generation PDK it'll hang onto 7th until the gas pedal has travelled far enough (or fast enough?) for it to trigger that you're in a hurry. Only then does if climb down the gears and that is a frustrating lag (for me). With the first generation PDK I felt that you HAD to be in sport mode to avoid the high gears, to avoid the lag. With the 991 PDK, even normal mode is very sporty. It’s perfect. So the test drive didn’t show me the 987/997 PDK I remembered, but showed me the difference and showed me what I’ve been looking for in PDK. So again, I concluded that I agree with you Rob, I’m sticking with manual in my 987 Spyder. However, i'm sold on 991 PDK and I expect it works the same on 981. In a 991/981 i'm definitely going PDK. I expect it'll make better use of the 300+ hp in the 981, which i'm now coming to realise that 987 PDK perhaps did not (in some circumstances). Still, that’s just my personal opinion for my choice as i’m not in the camp to drive a PDK in manual mode. I want to leave it in auto. Wouldn’t be worthwhile for me to swap out my manual Spyder for a PDK version to go from rowing manually to paddling manually[]. I can finally put my personal PDK vs manual debate to bed[] Disclaimer: This is not a general verdict on first generation PDK and everyone should make their own mind up based on their own personal experience and driving style[]
Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPC's!???[&:] So just to keep this thread going does that mean if we drop to Zero for sale at OPC's yours will be offered on the forecourt Rob?[ORIGINAL: rob.kellock Although may I refer the honourable gentleman to post #1. daro911 started all this 10000 hits ago when there were only 5 cars in the matrix. [
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i think that most of us who have driven pdk 987/997 and 981/991 would agree that pdk in the newer cars is a different animal altogether .far more impressive and really the default option i think-it allows you to do the manual thing if you want to and the downblips are very clever
Thank the lord for that [ORIGINAL: flat6 I can finally put my personal PDK vs manual debate to bed[
][][][][] I think in the real world, your Mr PDK would annihilate Mr Manual from every set of lights, nobody drives their own manual car so harshly as to match published 0-60 times. And John, - no - you wouldn't want mine as it hasn't got fat seats or heated bum warmers! []
Yes the PDK is quicker but in the real world there are so many factors that impact the readiness to set off. But, even to 62 I wouldn't challenge a PDK to a race either (unless he wasn't 'ready'[ORIGINAL: rob.kellockThank the lord for that [ORIGINAL: flat6 I can finally put my personal PDK vs manual debate to bed[
]), even without sport chrono or launch control . Racing aside however, in an auto, when it's in drive and held still on the brake, it's quicker setting off in a manual if it's on level ground and not needing the brake - one foot pressing the clutch and the other hovering over the accelerator. Without doing a clutch burning aggressive take off, it's quicker to get the manual moving than with the auto where you've got to go from releasing the brake over to pressing the accelerator. There's a lag there too after pressing the gas as the PDK re-engages something. It's caught me out a couple of times when darting out of a side road into traffic in a PDK. Perhaps just something to adapt to. Can't say I noticed that in the 991 but I wasn't looking for it to be honest.
vitesse
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If you train yourself to left foot brake,then hold the car with left foot on the brake,engage 1st ,give a bit of throttle & as the lights change gun the motor & release left foot. Not much beats me off the line in the BMW using this technique,even though it's a diesel,weighs nearly 2 tonnes & has done 207K+ miles. I fully disengage the DSC function-(hold button in for over 16 secs until yellow triangle goes out) & manually select 1st .
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