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Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!
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Andrew Killington
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As a former Spyder now 430 Spider owner I thought you might like my take on some of the aspects of Ferrari 430 ownership which you should be aware of Servicing; don't expect the OPC get it in early and collect later it's generally a weeks exercise (for a 1 day or so job); annual servicing of course Do check and then double check that the exhaust manifolds have been replaced and are type 2 (they are known as chocolate parts and expensive at 5-7K to replace) Make sure the suspension components are all tip top they wear quickly and are expensive (track rods ball joints etc) New style warranty launched; it's about 2K following main dealer check but is much more comprehensive than old gearbox and engine only job check undertray for damage/damage to fixing points (I've just replaced my whole undertray as it was damaged when manhandled by a lowloader ) they are vulnerable to scrapes and knocks on sleeping policeman etc. Annual cheapo service ie oil change etc is circa 1K from main dealers;in addition I had to replace a gaiter £140 front anti-roll bushes £220 cracked rear left exhaust bracket £190 and had a wheel refurbished £120 so no big stuff but a few wear and tear niggles; undertray was circa £500 fitted Happy to help with any more info PS One cool feature I received this year was a short video clip from the tech working on my car pointing out the issues which needed addressing; didn't lessen the pain of the bill but interesting to have pointed out what needs attention eg the excess play in the ball joints and damaged gaiter etc AndrewORIGINAL: MrDemon the F430 is a nice spec 2007 , 10k miles F1 box note the seatsRosso Special stitching, Crema Hide headlining and Nero Hide dashboard, Carbon Fibre racing seats, Carbon Fibre Challenge rear grill, Carbon Fibre driving zone, satellite navigation, Bluetooth connectivity, Ipod connection, rear parking assistance, 19" alloy wheels, Scuderia wing shields, tracking system, Rosso rev counter, Bi Xenon headlights,
Great Stuff Andrew. I think reading back through this thread we don't have these sort of common factory production parts problems on our Spyders. It may make some think again. Whilst Ferrari may have one up on the eye candy stakes it just goes to prove that all that glitters is not gold. Thanks for posting your thoughts. New Page New Spyder Pic
Being a very low miles p.a. garage queen keeper who does more polishing than driving [
]I have often been tempted but after being with Porsche for some 12 cars and more years than I wish to admit too I just can't be ar$ed with all th Italian drama that is part of owning a Red Head mistress. No quick servicing: No cost effective servicing: Old British sports car tradition always a list of work to do each annual visit and the dealers always seem to be able to increase your list without any problems: Rich man's car rich man's bills to match even when these cars are owned and run by ordinary petrolhead folks: Your Spyder is unique no discussion there and if sold could never be replaced again so I would suggest you scratch that itch by begging or if need be renting one for a week and you will know p d q if it is worth the hassle and the sacrafice of your trouble free relatively low cost maintenance German prancing horses
Reading these performance stats I can see why the Turbo 4 is the likely way forward for some Porsche sports cars [&o][&o] http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/audi/tt/86260/new-audi-tt-2014-ride-review This being the case who on here would want to sacrifice their original Spyder/R old school flat 6 for possibly a Gen2 Spyder/R with a Turbo flat 4![
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thanks for that, a good list of things I did not think about, I did know about manifolds and suspension issues though, even my Local Porsche dealer told me about those items and said too expensive to run. that's the thing about Porsche , we think they are expensive at 1k for a main service but Ferrari are in another league and I am not sure I can put that sort of money into it. I est 15k to run it for a year inc the lost of value come sale time. My Spyders cost me £1.7k to run the last 2 years. ANd of course I run my R as a daily, I could not do that with the F430 so would mean yet another very cheap car to run about in. maybe renting one for a few days would sort out the fad, or worse make me want one at any cost.ORIGINAL: Andrew KillingtonAs a former Spyder now 430 Spider owner I thought you might like my take on some of the aspects of Ferrari 430 ownership which you should be aware of Servicing; don't expect the OPC get it in early and collect later it's generally a weeks exercise (for a 1 day or so job); annual servicing of course Do check and then double check that the exhaust manifolds have been replaced and are type 2 (they are known as chocolate parts and expensive at 5-7K to replace) Make sure the suspension components are all tip top they wear quickly and are expensive (track rods ball joints etc) New style warranty launched; it's about 2K following main dealer check but is much more comprehensive than old gearbox and engine only job check undertray for damage/damage to fixing points (I've just replaced my whole undertray as it was damaged when manhandled by a lowloader ) they are vulnerable to scrapes and knocks on sleeping policeman etc. Annual cheapo service ie oil change etc is circa 1K from main dealers;in addition I had to replace a gaiter £140 front anti-roll bushes £220 cracked rear left exhaust bracket £190 and had a wheel refurbished £120 so no big stuff but a few wear and tear niggles; undertray was circa £500 fitted Happy to help with any more info PS One cool feature I received this year was a short video clip from the tech working on my car pointing out the issues which needed addressing; didn't lessen the pain of the bill but interesting to have pointed out what needs attention eg the excess play in the ball joints and damaged gaiter etc AndrewORIGINAL: MrDemon the F430 is a nice spec 2007 , 10k miles F1 box note the seats
ORIGINAL: flat6Are you thinking what I think you're thinking[
Nooooo, I didn't mean that! [and don't rub it in now that I am Spyder-less[&o][
] ] I meant you might be thinking that yours would also sell in record time. It certainly would. But good to see that you weren't thinking like that. Spyder rules say that no more than one founder member of this club can leave in the same decade[8D] You can apply in March 2024
philnotts99
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Quick search on Google, you can rent a F430 Fri - Mon for £1595....Even I'm temped while i wait for someone to sell there Spyder! []
]ORIGINAL: daro911 This looks interesting if we want to start a little friendly side wager[
This is worthy of some thought. It's a tough one. I think the 911V car has taken a while because it's a bit light of optional extras and putting that with sports seats, it kind of sits between the 2 types of buyer. I think its priced fairly as such but someone looking for a car to cruise reasonable distances through the summer will typically want a few more comforts and conveniences and wait for the right car. Someone looking for a light spec with more of a track focus will want buckets etc. It has half the miles of mine, sorry, Anthony's! but I think it has slightly less appeal and would struggle to compete against Anthony's as a private sale despite having less miles. I think the black car at PC Hatfield will sell next because I think PC Leeds will hold firm on their price for some time and I personally wouldn't feel comfortable paying £46K just yet as i'd be too scared to put miles on the car in order to preserve that value. I'm not saying it isn't worth £46K but you'd really need to keep the miles off it to keep its unique selling point. Once it gets to 6K miles, it's then no different to any of our cars and becomes 1 of 230-odd rather than 1 of 1. Still rare, but hopefully you get what I mean.ORIGINAL: daro911[ORIGINAL: flat6 Wow! I've a lot of catching up to do on here[
OMG, has it actually "gone" gone already? [ORIGINAL: flat6 Nooooo, I didn't mean that! [and don't rub it in now that I am Spyder-less[&o][
] Thought we might manage one last blast... At your asking price, I suspect mine would sell quickly but that's not a price point I'd let mine go for currently. I would need to be persuaded by larger bags of cash!!
The only car I think I could consider would be a £25k+ upgrade to a 981 GTS [&o] which begs the question why would one bother if they are happy with the Spyders roof & suspension set up 2 areas the GTS has it beaten on for sure but that is about it especially as one is at least holding it's current value and the other will be in free fall from day one[
]The valuation wasn't easy but my judgement was to estimate what I felt an OPC would charge for a 25K miler with 2yrs warranty slapped on it. I worked back from there. I could have put a higher asking price on it and played the game a bit more but I think I valued it fairly and should any similar cars have popped up at OPC's in the time it was up for sale, i'm confident I would not have had to change my price to compete with a Porsche Centre car. The market is certainly warming up week on week and I dare say i'd ask more for it next week than last week.
No wonder flat 6 sold so quick in my opinion priced way to low. But as long as everyone is happy all good. I bet the new owner is very very happy at that steal bargain price[][]
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Really! I think it was bang on the money for both seller and buyer .... What would you have thought the price should have been bearing in mind the 4 other cars available this morning [ORIGINAL: CLIFFWILKINS No wonder flat 6 sold so quick in my opinion priced way to low. But as long as everyone is happy all good. I bet the new owner is very very happy at that steal bargain price[
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£34,950 for the province & history[]
]This is the issue I often come up against - whilst I would really want to tick the dancing donkey box, it doesn't seem like very good value to do so when compared to the Spyder. Day to day the usuable performance cannot be that different so you're really paying for the looks, badge, noise and "good vibrations". That spec sounds great but £80k is a lot for a 7 year old car.
For the newbies, a summary for the last few hundred pages, well, not the last 100[&o] is on page 355. I've included our last EVO triangle drive from pages 298/299 http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=719756&mpage=355 But the pics from then looked so go i've decided to give just those an airing here[] http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=719756&mpage=298
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ORIGINAL: rob.kellock Still one at the OPC. [
ORIGINAL: Andy Fagan Some pics from different angles
ORIGINAL: flat6
I spent sometime on Sunday driving a friends 360 Spider manual and it was great fun very loud but very Italian with a list of things to be done. Your summary is bang on the money it's all about the looks, noise, badge and pride of ownership but kid yourself not it comes at a huge price compared to the German horses
You can see the advert in years to come... "This impeccable example was previously owned by one of the original Spydermen, from a little corner of the internet that grew into the powerhouse it is today." [ORIGINAL: CLIFFWILKINS £34,950 for the province & history[
] It's like buying Steve McQueen's 911 or something [][][]
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