Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!
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You must of heared differently to me, a when I placed my 'letter of intent' (well e-mail anyway) It was suggested to me that it would be offered exclusively sans manual gearbox.ORIGINAL: MrDemon would you trust an accountant who cannot even change his own gears ? (that's only 6 numbers)I don't get upset when people say "but PDK is faster and the future" and some of my mates drive an auto box, well when I say drive ......... lol lets keep the dream alive on the new GT4 as no one is posting pics these days, but my manual fight will never end....
Try driving a 997GT3RS possibly not as fast but full of emotion It is different to the standard GT3, I've not driven a 458 speciale but as I could never own one as its way out of my league I can only imagine the experience, it must be good because of the press response but so is the RS. Technology moves on all the time and the RS is now old hat but does that make it inferior ? Its all about the driving experience and what you want out of a car. Today to get a buzz in most of these super cars you are going so fast on the road, blink and your license has gone and probably so have you (months behind bars is not good ) so a car admittedly very analogue can also be a very good thing particularly as it brings a smile at sensible speeds. Its still very easy to be in license losing territory. EVOs decision was a joint decision by motoring jour no's who spend their lives driving performance cars so they should be able to judge. Bye the way the RS has a gear stick a rare and beautiful thing these days !!!!!
I think there is more to driving than how fast it is, but 600bhp is too much on the road the speeds would get you band in that other league of performance for sure. And that is an issue. But the noise, the steering, the gear shift, as I said this car needs paddles to match the performance. When you sit in a GT3 and even more that R8 v10 plus I drove, you could be sitting in a 25k Boxster or a 10KA3 Porsche and Audi don't change the interior on the more expensive cars, so you loose that feeling of excitement when you spend double or 4x the price. I think if the R8 v10 plus looked like a lambo inside I would have bought one by now as it was a great drive. But the 458s is a crazy hard core machine and I feel very lucky to have driven it.
So how did you get to be in that lucky position? I remember first seeing one on the stand (alongside the LaFezza) at Geneva, and thinking what a great piece of kit it looks.
All this talk of power is really interesting to me - I have recently driven a 540bhp F type and a 500bhp C63 AMG and I can honestly say that neither felt much faster than the Spyder. Maybe it's something to do with having PDK and perhaps it's not only worth having it in something with 600bhp! []
]I too had the pleasure of driving a C63 AMG demo car recently, for two weeks. It felt quicker than the Spyder to me and took you to silly speeds very quickly but in a disengaging way. It just wasn't as enjoyable as the Spyder from a drivers perspective, I almost felt I was a passenger in a very clever bit of machinery (auto box of course). The noise was adorable and that did beat the Spyder but jumping back into driving the Spyder I soon felt the thrill of a proper drivers car. No contest for me.ORIGINAL: homerdog All this talk of power is really interesting to me - I have recently driven a 540bhp F type and a 500bhp C63 AMG and I can honestly say that neither felt much faster than the Spyder. Maybe it's something to do with having PDK and perhaps it's not only worth having it in something with 600bhp! [
They wouldn't feel much faster until moving above 90mph when Bhp takes over. They are not über fast cars and yes the Spyder prob can match them to 90mph give or take a car length. 0-125mph in about 13.5 for the amg few tenths more on the F type , like with all these cars we talk in tenths. The 458s is 9. Lol 4.5 seconds is an age, as I said in a whole another league of performance faster than the old Enzo !!! And f1 Even the zonda F looks slow at 11.5 seconds. Not possible to put in words how it drove and to talk about the AMG and F type is daft.ORIGINAL: homerdog All this talk of power is really interesting to me - I have recently driven a 540bhp F type and a 500bhp C63 AMG and I can honestly say that neither felt much faster than the Spyder. Maybe it's something to do with having PDK and perhaps it's not only worth having it in something with 600bhp! [
It's a fair point but Porsche has always been conservative. The function is paramount and the form less so. No unnecessary thrills that don't add to the function. That's actually why I like them. I don't actually like extra event and drama if it doesn't add to performance. I guess that's why I wouldn't spend good money on a sports exhaust to go louder rather than faster and Porsche is starting to offer these things to satisfy the varied market. But that's just me. And some of these cars in the upper leagues don't go much faster for all their evocative shapes, complex engines and sound track. That's what I mean by upper tiers. Not necessarily faster but add those elements to the experience for those who need that. And then you've got even higher tiers that are literally a road legal race car. I think the Porsche interior isn't flamboyant but it probably wouldn't be any better if they chose to differentiate the GT3 interior from a Boxster. I think they view it as having given the lower cars an interior worthy of the higher models rather than the other way around[
]. I fully understand your point though.
Most cars I go in seem the norm to me, I guess when you get to try a 458s you might change your mind, it' one of today's fastest and best supers cars, like the Spyder is to the Boxster this is the 458 honed for the driver. It takes a lot to excite me with cars these days and this did it. If you don't have petrol for blood then yes it will wash over most people. Those people who know what the car is about will be able to appreciate the joy I got from driving it. Only last week on Pistonheads I said, I'll prob never get to drive one of these, but a few days later I did.
I think you both make some great points but flat6 I have to say that having owned 12 x Porsches since coming to the brand/party up until 981/991 era their lack of audio drama for so many years the number 1 useable sports cars in the world for decades has always left me perplexed[&o] These cars do need to sound the part and finally after so long Porsche has made a move in the right noises direction but sadly still only as an expensive "option" and not standard kit on all but the very base models at the very least IMO Hats off to Jag who have given every F Type above the base model a soundtrack to match the power and machinery The Italian sports car maker has always been with the programme in recent decades and those prancing horses were never concerned about being PC with the 20-40mph drive by nanny state programming Porsche have finally ditched![ORIGINAL: flat6It's a fair point but Porsche has always been conservative. The function is paramount and the form less so. No unnecessary thrills that don't add to the function. That's actually why I like them. I don't actually like extra event and drama if it doesn't add to performance. I guess that's why I wouldn't spend good money on a sports exhaust to go louder rather than faster and Porsche is starting to offer these things to satisfy the varied market. But that's just me. And some of these cars in the upper leagues don't go much faster for all their evocative shapes, complex engines and sound track. That's what I mean by upper tiers. Not necessarily faster but add those elements to the experience for those who need that. And then you've got even higher tiers that are literally a road legal race car. I think the Porsche interior isn't flamboyant but it probably wouldn't be any better if they chose to differentiate the GT3 interior from a Boxster. I think they view it as having given the lower cars an interior worthy of the higher models rather than the other way around[
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When I get home the 2 things I am buying are a alcantara sports design wheel and a tubi exhaust. I love the alcantara contact patches and I want more noise. I cannot afford a 458s so those two things for me will make my R feel better in my eyes. I can then move my sports design wheel to my Spyder deleting the nasty thing which sits in it ATM, for some thing more pleasing to the eye. It's a win win as the R will get sold by March 2015 and I,ll move the wheel to the Spyder and be able to sell the leather sports design no problem 2nd hand. Every little thing plays it's part. I must say I don't like the fake over run on the PSE 981, yes ok for a test drive, but , After 6 months annoying I would say.
I wanted the Remus Ti system but they have stopped making it, The tubi sounds great imo unlike the the USA based systems which try and make it sound like a V8 and drone away. Akrapovic don't make one. Never heard of the other brand. Tubi keeps your oem tips also so looks all oem which is great.
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