Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!

[MrDemon]

the Spyder went up the hill In the end still looks very GTS and less Spyder, and was told you could NOT open the boot with roof up ! bit of an issue.

 

[Tracy_Wilkins]

Well we have a new forum. Let's see how we all get on with it.

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[rob.kellock]

Still 756 pages of Spyder banter! Phew!

 

[kitchens]

Still 756 pages of Spyder banter! Phew!

Thank goodness for that ! was beginning to get withdrawal symptoms []

 

[rob.kellock]

[][font="comic sans ms,sans-serif"] still the same smiley faces as before but new fonts to play with...[/font]

[font="comic sans ms,sans-serif"]I see that Tracy still has 4 kisses under her name but me, demon and kitchens have lost ours![/font]

 

[kitchens]

I have just posted that same question in the General section ..I use to be 5 Star but no more ..[]

 

[daro911]

I appear to no longer be a member, Porsche car owner or anything else to do with the club []

 

[CLIFFWILKINS]

The clutch is surprising heavy in the GT4 more like a 996 GT3

Cliff

 

[daro911]

[]Anyone who thinks the 981 Spyder is just a Boxster GTS with a 3.8L engine needs to speak to these guys from Porsche

Enjoy I just did [link=https://www.youtube.com/w...A&feature=youtu.be]https://www.youtube.com/w...A&feature=youtu.be[/link]

Ring time for the GT4 7.42 [link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times]https://en.wikipedia.org/...Nordschleife_lap_times[/link]

 

[Tracy_Wilkins]

I can share my kisses if you like![][]

 

[daro911]

Can any of you Spydermen get on here with an ipad or iPhone because I cant [&:]

So the 981 Spyder is 10 seconds quicker around the ring than a GTS but a whopping 7 seconds off the GT4's time[]

 

[rob.kellock]

I can share my kisses if you like![][]

That's very kind.

i seem to have 5 kisses now, but not the groovy 911 silhouettes...

Rob - I have had zero problem accessing this from iPhone or iPad.

 

[Sandy59]

Can any of you Spydermen get on here with an ipad or iPhone because I cant [&:]

So the 981 Spyder is 10 seconds quicker around the ring than a GTS but a whopping 7 seconds off the GT4's time[]

A lot more down force on the GT4 maybe ??

 

[jdpef356]

Can any of you Spydermen get on here with an ipad or iPhone because I cant [&:]

So the 981 Spyder is 10 seconds quicker around the ring than a GTS but a whopping 7 seconds off the GT4's time[]

I can share my kisses if you like![][]

That's very kind.

i seem to have 5 kisses now, but not the groovy 911 silhouettes...

Rob - I have had zero problem accessing this from iPhone or iPad.

My first post - its my wife's birthday so I suppose she will get a Kiss, lets see what I get!

 

[jdpef356]

Can any of you Spydermen get on here with an ipad or iPhone because I cant [&:]

So the 981 Spyder is 10 seconds quicker around the ring than a GTS but a whopping 7 seconds off the GT4's time[]

I can share my kisses if you like![][]

That's very kind.

i seem to have 5 kisses now, but not the groovy 911 silhouettes...

Rob - I have had zero problem accessing this from iPhone or iPad.

My first post - its my wife's birthday so I suppose she will get a Kiss, lets see what I get!

Well its 5 kisses - the wife will want one more

 

[daro911]

One for Mr Demon to savour and I will guess it will apply to the new 981 Spyder equally []

[link=http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/92058/great-cars-with-manual-gearboxes]http://www.autoexpress.co...-with-manual-gearboxes[/link]

 

[flat6]

was told you could NOT open the boot with roof up ! bit of an issue.

I reckon people will just use the front boot more to get around that. Then on long journeys with more stuff, put the stuff you need to access least in the rear boot. That's what I used to do with the old Spyder due to the lack of hydraulic struts plus the front boot being deeper and not getting hot from the engine. I reckon it's a non-issue.

 

[flat6]

I don't see any one saying it's bad.

so new Spyer vs old Spyder is a moot point, the cars are so far apart each one is what it is now.

now back to moving the game on, just think of the looks if it had a R8 trick electric roof and was PDK-s

Instead it's a GTS with a 3.8 in it and a manual roof, the GTS looks stunning so not a bad thing people make it out i am saying. But it's far more GTS 3.8 an far less Spyder. Again that does not make it bad, it just is an honest personal opinion. The GTS pic I posted a few posts up still looks stunning.

I think you're right that new Spyder vs old Spyder is a moot point because IMO I think the standard 981 moved the game on significantly such that a standard 981 Boxster S without X.73 has a level of agility and capability that will match a 987 Spyder & R. Ok the electric steering takes a bit of getting used to and the standard set-up is for comfort not heightened feedback, but the chassis is very very good. Now that X.73 is available on the standard car, there’s little room for the Spyder to move the game on further in that regard. Also I think we probably all agreed say 200 pages back that they'll struggle to remove much weight from the all aluminium 981 when a Spyder version comes along. So I think the 981 Spyder moves the game on from the old Spyder in as much as the 981 in general does but then they gave us most of that a few years ago with the 981 and as you say the recent GTS version is some car. So I think the leap in capability from 987 to 981 Spyder is large but most of that leap was covered by the standard 981. So, the differentiator of the 981 Spyder to the GTS is mainly body redesign, roofline and a bit more performance, whereas the 987 Spyder's differentiator to the 987 S was body design, roofline, chassis, performance and weight saving. I don't think the desirability of the 981 Spyder would be any different if it had a 3.4 with the wick turned up over a GTS; those who are going to buy this car are sold on the Spyder package.

I don't think anyone is saying you're saying it's a bad car, I think your choice of words over a number of posts infer that even if that's not what you mean []. But I don't think anyone should get heated over your choice of words as it's pretty much a style we're all accustomed to & should really take it or leave it but likewise, what you day does strongly infer a position whether intended or not that the car is bad. I do agree that it should have a PDK option but then I also think the GT4 should have a PDK option. The logic behind having PDK-S in the GT3 and a [not so tailored] manual transmission in the GT4 can only be hierarchical. I don't believe Porsche have offered a PDK and manual choice of GTx car and you pick the one you want based on the transmission you like. I think they have their own product hierarchy reasons for keeping the PDK away from the GT4 and Spyder and I think people choose a GT4 over a GT3 for one 4 reasons, not the transmission.

They've always wanted a mid-engined Porsche with a GTx dept set-up. Or they've always wanted a Cayman with a GTx dept set-up. Or they feel its a bargain over a GT3 but gives 8/10th of a GT3 experience to a shrewd option.

Let's face it, a lot of what sells any car is marketing - what does the manufacturer say it is, what's its intended use, what image does it portray. But Porsche is very clever with their marketing. A lot of what they don’t say is inferred with subtlety such that people can fill in the gaps with their own imagination in any way they choose. But then when you look back at what they did actually say, from a standpoint of where your imagination takes you, it can be quite far away from someone else's interpretation. What Porsche says the Spyder is, if you take a step back, it's exactly that I think, just like the last Spyder e.g. they don't talk as much about the weight saving this time. But yet some people would take a Spyder as a regular track tool and others as a sunny day toy. I think as the latter, which is where my imagination takes me, whilst i'm not looking to buy a Spyder, I don’t think Porsche would ever make 2 cars with identically functioning roofs i.e. both electrical but just a different shape (after all, the Spyder is a Boxster so why have 2 Boxsters that fulfil exactly the same purpose, especially now that the standard car can have X.73). I think they had 2 options with the feedback of the 987 roof, well 3 options. Actually 4 options when including what they decided to do.

Either not have a roof at all and sell it to people like daro911 who never ever used the last roof but has bought 2 987 Spyders and used them as much as he would a Boxster i.e. dry miles only. So it never bothered him. People who buy Aerial Atoms make do with a lot less.

Or not bother to make another Spyder.

Or give it exactly the same roof design as the 987 Spyder.

Or give it the roof that they have done.

None of those options will satisfy the masses, but as you say, that is what a GTS is for.

 

[daro911]

I think the rear boot access with roof up is a red herring as you rightly say the front is bigger deeper and easier to access than the rear on a 987 Spyder with its 1920's style bonnet stay and the rear can be accessed with the roof up but released from header rail catch for those who must use that area for whatever reason

For me the bottom line is are there more +++'s than ----'s with Porsche's 2nd attempt with the Spyder concept and IMO its a resounding YES especially as they have given it an engine & matching soundtrack to justify the considerable increase in the base price between Gen 1 & 2

[]Anyone who thinks the 981 Spyder is just a Boxster GTS with a 3.8L engine needs to speak to these guys from Porsche [link=https://www.youtube.com/w...A&feature=youtu.be]https://www.youtube.com/w...A&feature=youtu.be[/link]

 

[MrDemon]

every trip I have done and I do mean every trip with GF or mates the 2 flight cases HAVE to sit in the front for luggage, and that fills it with 2 in there, so the rear holds EVERY thing else you need to get access to on your trip imo. Camera's, food, quick shoe change, coats etc all ALWAYS go in the rear as it's shallow, while the 2 suit cases go up front. No getting round that.