Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!

[Boxster7]

Roof Issues

i haven’t had any updates from other owners since my car was in for a new roof, so I don’t know how those with issues have been resolved.

However, I was in my OPC today for a first Interim Service and in our general discussion they told me that Porsche were no longer approving the replacement of faulty/damaged roofs. they were not sure what was being approved, but I guess it is some sort of repair

Update on roof issue....

Porsche have now come up with a repair kit for the area where the roof wings can start to split.

I've seen the documents for these repair. It's a small fold of fabric that looks to be self advise, then stitched in place.

It looks a neat repair and not very obvious when fitted.

Both sides need doing on my car (now 15k miles), so kits have been ordered at the OPC and they are just awaiting a date from the trimmer to do the work.

My warranty is up in November, so glad this is getting done asap.

Not sure how everyone else feels about this, especially if your hoods haven't started to let go yet..... I'm sure it only a matter of time as this is a weak spot in the design.

Shaun

 

[Boxster7]

In other news.

I'm considering changing all four tyres in the next couple of months....

Where are we at with the best options now available either N rated / non N rated.

I take it Michelin's are still the enthusiasts weapon of choice....

Also warranty is up in November... what the opinion of the PCGB faithful about paying for extra warranties ????

The 981 seems to be holding together well.... any horror stories out there (is 3rd gear a possible problem, or just with mad tracked cars ?)

All comments on the above gladly received

 

[kitchens]

Depends how risk avert you are ...took it out on the 987 a complete waste off money in view of the miles done ..if you are doing a lot suppose gives peace off mind .My 981 warranty is up in April 2019 and doubt I will renew it .As to tyres do not like the P zero as no rim protection to the wheels .the 987 is still on the originals with loads of tread left although would not pass the warranty application as 6 years old .

The Michelins do get the best reviews ...no doubt our expert tyre man will give us his thoughts []

 

[daro911]

Update on roof issue....

Porsche have now come up with a repair kit for the area where the roof wings can start to split.

I've seen the documents for these repair. It's a small fold of fabric that looks to be self advise, then stitched in place.

It looks a neat repair and not very obvious when fitted.

Shaun

Thanks for the update Shaun sounds like Porsche have finally accepted a design flaw will be interesting to see if the 718 Spyder comes with this mod as standard or a different design to our cars

What's your thoughts on the up & coming very probable final n/a Spyder

 

[daro911]

It’s been two years since Porsche updated the current Boxster, also giving it a "718" badge, and it seems that the German firm is finally working on a new iteration of the higher-performance Spyder model. First [link=https://www.topspeed.com/cars/porsche/2010-porsche-boxster-spyder-ar81251.html]introduced in 2009[/link] and [link=https://www.topspeed.com/cars/porsche/2016-porsche-boxster-spyder-ar168376.html]relaunched in 2015,[/link] the Boxster Spyder is a modern tribute to the 718 Spyder of the 1960s, and the upcoming will be the first to actually wear the iconic "718" badge next to the "Spyder" lettering.

Introduced in 2016, the facelifted third-generation [link=https://www.topspeed.com/cars/porsche/2017-porsche-718-boxster-ar164281.html]Porsche Boxster[/link]gained a couple of major changes compared to its predecessor. While the styling and interior didn’t change much compared to the previous roadster, the new Boxster changed its name to the 718 Boxster, a tribute to a sports car from the late 1950s, and switched to turbocharged engines for the first time ever. There isn’t a lot of information to run by as of this writing, but the spyder configuration is pretty obvious in the spy shots. First spotted in snowy weather in northern Europe, the upcoming sports car hit the Nurburgring track for some high-performance testing in April 2018. And we can see a few differences. The soft-top roof is different toward the back, while the engine hood features the famous flying buttresses. I also spotted a few changes front and rear. They’re not massive, but they do make the Spyder a bit more aggressive. Under the hood, it should get the most powerful engine ever fitted in a Boxster, but the nameplate’s switch to turbocharging makes things a bit complicated. We should find out more later this year, but until then let’s have a closer look at the spy shots in the speculative review below.

The new 718 Boxster Spyder could break cover in the summer of 2018.

Updated 06/15/2018: Our spy photographers caught the upcoming 718 Boxster Spyder out for a new testing session, but this time with its top down.

[link=https://www.topspeed.com/cars/porsche/2019-porsche-718-boxster-spyder-ar179489.html]https://www.topspeed.com/...r-spyder-ar179489.html[/link]

 

[Boxster7]

Update on roof issue....

Porsche have now come up with a repair kit for the area where the roof wings can start to split.

I've seen the documents for these repair. It's a small fold of fabric that looks to be self advise, then stitched in place.

It looks a neat repair and not very obvious when fitted.

Shaun

Thanks for the update Shaun sounds like Porsche have finally accepted a design flaw will be interesting to see if the 718 Spyder comes with this mod as standard or a different design to our cars

What's your thoughts on the up & coming very probable final n/a Spyder

I'm still absolutely loving my car and can't think of any other car I would want to change it for.....

I don't need more power, more noise, more tech (I haven't even got sat nav in mine) and I like the inside and outside of the 981 over the 718 to boot.....

So in my world I will be sticking with this car for a very long time.

I have got my name down for a new GT4 if an allocation was available, but the Spyder is staying

How about you ????

 

[flat6]

Update on roof issue....

Porsche have now come up with a repair kit for the area where the roof wings can start to split.

I've seen the documents for these repair. It's a small fold of fabric that looks to be self advise, then stitched in place.

It looks a neat repair and not very obvious when fitted.

Shaun

Thanks for the update Shaun sounds like Porsche have finally accepted a design flaw will be interesting to see if the 718 Spyder comes with this mod as standard or a different design to our cars

Hello daro911. I haven't been on here for a while. Glad to see it's still going strong

Surprised to hear there's a design flaw in the roof but glad to see that it isn't denting enthusiasm. Can someone direct me to pics?

 

[MrDemon]

In other news.

I'm considering changing all four tyres in the next couple of months....

Where are we at with the best options now available either N rated / non N rated.

I take it Michelin's are still the enthusiasts weapon of choice....

Also warranty is up in November... what the opinion of the PCGB faithful about paying for extra warranties ????

The 981 seems to be holding together well.... any horror stories out there (is 3rd gear a possible problem, or just with mad tracked cars ?)

All comments on the above gladly received

PS4S are N spec now for the car so an easy choice.

warranty is not so easy as 3rd gear will pop under stress at some point, it seems on renlist the data base is growning daily, seems to affect NOV build 2015 cars onwards, if you have an early car your 3rd gear is splined. or do you just risk it and fit a splined gear if it happens which are now available.

it seems to happen on the down shift where the spot weld just pops and the cog spins on the shaft.

 

[Boxster7]

Update on roof issue....

Porsche have now come up with a repair kit for the area where the roof wings can start to split.

I've seen the documents for these repair. It's a small fold of fabric that looks to be self advise, then stitched in place.

It looks a neat repair and not very obvious when fitted.

Shaun

Thanks for the update Shaun sounds like Porsche have finally accepted a design flaw will be interesting to see if the 718 Spyder comes with this mod as standard or a different design to our cars

Hello daro911. I haven't been on here for a while. Glad to see it's still going strong

Surprised to hear there's a design flaw in the roof but glad to see that it isn't denting enthusiasm. Can someone direct me to pics?

If you take a look at the pics post by Paul08 on page 926 of this thread it should show ok.

 

[Boxster7]

In other news.

I'm considering changing all four tyres in the next couple of months....

Where are we at with the best options now available either N rated / non N rated.

I take it Michelin's are still the enthusiasts weapon of choice....

Also warranty is up in November... what the opinion of the PCGB faithful about paying for extra warranties ????

The 981 seems to be holding together well.... any horror stories out there (is 3rd gear a possible problem, or just with mad tracked cars ?)

All comments on the above gladly received

PS4S are N spec now for the car so an easy choice.

warranty is not so easy as 3rd gear will pop under stress at some point, it seems on renlist the data base is growning daily, seems to affect NOV build 2015 cars onwards, if you have an early car your 3rd gear is splined. or do you just risk it and fit a splined gear if it happens which are now available.

it seems to happen on the down shift where the spot weld just pops and the cog spins on the shaft.

Picked my car up late Nov 15..... so maybe I have an early enough build ?????? I wonder how much it would cost to fix, if the worst case happened ???

Thanks for the tyre info.

As you say that's an easy choice and will happen when I change.

Cheers

 

[Motorhead]

Shaun,

FYI re 3rd gear failure, there's a database on Rennlist for GT4s - currently up to 84 failures from worldwide postings, including double and triple failures..! Many cars seem to have been used on track and most failures have been on 2016 builds.

The problem is due to the failure of the electron-beam weld between the gear and the synchro ring. Presumably for cost reasons Getrag decided to replace the original splined arrangement with a weld but I understand that the replacement 'boxes have reverted to spline.

I've no idea what the situation is for Spyders or other Boxsters and Caymans fitted with the same Getrag transmssion at the time.

Most failures have been covered by warranty but GTgears and Holinger are offering splined 3rd gear sets.

Jeff

 

[Andrew Killington]

Shaun,

FYI re 3rd gear failure, there's a database on Rennlist for GT4s - currently up to 84 failures from worldwide postings, including double and triple failures..! Many cars seem to have been used on track and most failures have been on 2016 builds.

The problem is due to the failure of the electron-beam weld between the gear and the synchro ring. Presumably for cost reasons Getrag decided to replace the original splined arrangement with a weld but I understand that the replacement 'boxes have reverted to spline.

I've no idea what the situation is for Spyders or other Boxsters and Caymans fitted with the same Getrag transmssion at the time.

Most failures have been covered by warranty but GTgears and Holinger are offering splined 3rd gear sets.

Jeff

seems if you’ve got the spline version you’re all aok

 

[flat6]

If you take a look at the pics post by Paul08 on page 926 of this thread it should show ok.

Thanks

 

[kitchens]

Shaun,

FYI re 3rd gear failure, there's a database on Rennlist for GT4s - currently up to 84 failures from worldwide postings, including double and triple failures..! Many cars seem to have been used on track and most failures have been on 2016 builds.

The problem is due to the failure of the electron-beam weld between the gear and the synchro ring. Presumably for cost reasons Getrag decided to replace the original splined arrangement with a weld but I understand that the replacement 'boxes have reverted to spline.

I've no idea what the situation is for Spyders or other Boxsters and Caymans fitted with the same Getrag transmssion at the time.

Most failures have been covered by warranty but GTgears and Holinger are offering splined 3rd gear sets.

Jeff

seems if you’ve got the spline version you’re all aok

How does one know what type is fitted to ones car mine was registered on 4/16 but obviously made in possibly 15 the last 3 digits 0n the vin are *15

 

[SpyderDavid]

How does one know what type is fitted to ones car mine was registered on 4/16 but obviously made in possibly 15 the last 3 digits 0n the vin are *15

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The build date appears on my 'Certificate of Authenticity' - assume the renamed version has the same content, free to request from PCGB, takes a couple of weeks. Mine was built 19.1.16 and the VIN ends 852.

Potential for gearbox issues is one example that would make me nervous of not having some form of warranty if I keep the car long term which looks likely. Doesn't take much to go wrong for big bills to rack up.

 

[Motorhead]

Unfortunately it's impossible to say Brian - I don't think that the transmissions were fitted in order, as it were, so it's just the luck of the drawer.

Quite why Getrag chose to change the design after years of production is not known; but most likely due to cost savings, which must have backfired on them due to warranty replacements (Porsche just send the transmissions straight back to them for repair/replacement).

Although Porsche haven't officially recognised the problem - surprise, surprise! - I'm sure that transmissions will be replaced FOC for a limited time. What happens further down the road is open to speculation, but GTgears and Holinger can supply a splined 3rd gear/synchro dog-cone replacement set [link=http://holingeramerica.com/showroom/porsche-cayman-gt4-g81-3rd-gear-set]http://holingeramerica.com/showroom/porsche-cayman-gt4-g81-3rd-gear-set[/link] Then there's the cost of fitment, which won't come cheap.

Incidently, I don't believe that Porsche will repair any 987/981 manual transmissions anyway (someone on PH tried unsuccessfully to obtain parts for a rebuild) which means a full replacement cost. Ouch..!

Jeff

 

[ralphmusic]

Re the gearbox failures, this database on Rennlist may help identify the at risk build date range

[link=https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/127kkcTmFUw2BX7kWX3YPfH4NisGrr1MwIpTZY2nTGDE/htmlview]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/127kkcTmFUw2BX7kWX3YPfH4NisGrr1MwIpTZY2nTGDE/htmlview[/link]

 

[kitchens]

All very interesting BUT as a very low mileage user the issue is going forward after the 3rd year warranty has ended in my case April 2019 what happens if it goes pop as I did not intend taking out an extended warranty going forward .I took out warranty on the 987 a complete waste of money as due to miles covered and getting the 981 . I also note from RM post it is happening to low miles cars as well ….I genuinely do not take the car to red line in any gear doubt I have reached 5k at any time by then you are way over the speed limits .Maybe worth a note to the OPC that I am aware off this fault ...any one know how many U-K cars have this issue . Hoods going forward is another issue not what you want from a £70K car

Just read failures all seem to be track relayed in GT4 take it is the same box in both

 

[daro911]

Hello daro911. I haven't been on here for a while. Glad to see it's still going strong

Hi flat6 longtime away from here and as a founder member you are always welcome despite leaving our Spyder web

Hope all is good with you and your Italian mistress and hopefully catch you at the up & coming Silverstone Classic [8D]

 

[Motorhead]

All very interesting BUT as a very low mileage user the issue is going forward after the 3rd year warranty has ended in my case April 2019 what happens if it goes pop as I did not intend taking out an extended warranty going forward .I took out warranty on the 987 a complete waste of money as due to miles covered and getting the 981 . I also note from RM post it is happening to low miles cars as well ….I genuinely do not take the car to red line in any gear doubt I have reached 5k at any time by then you are way over the speed limits .Maybe worth a note to the OPC that I am aware off this fault ...any one know how many U-K cars have this issue . Hoods going forward is another issue not what you want from a £70K car

Just read failures all seem to be track relayed in GT4 take it is the same box in both

Brian,

It does seem that a significant number of the GT4s which have been affected have seen track use - it's a weld fatigue failure, so the increased stresses associated with track use probably will be a significant factor.

I assume that the 981 Spyder, Boxster and Cayman transmissions manufactured at that time will also have the welded 3rd gear/synchro dog-cone arrangement and therefore could suffer the same failure. I think that someone with a 981 GTS has posted details somewhere, and I see that there's also a reported failure on a 718 Cayman S. From memory, I can recall only one person reporting a failure on his GT4 on the Cayman forum here.

Whether or not you choose to take out the extended warranty depends upon your aversion to risk. If you were unfortunate enough to suffer the failure within a limited timescale (2 or 3 years?) then probably Porsche would replace it FOC; after that, who knows?

Jeff