Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!
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Thanks Brian but it couldn't have gone viral without you and the other founding members chipping in too and letting the www into the best kept secrets of Spyder ownership and you as an original contributor are the only man with his 987 Spyder in the garage to this very day [
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It's commonly accepted that Porsche's 718 GT4/Spyder and 4.0 GTS models are some of the most engaging sports cars money can buy right now. Much is due to the brilliance of their naturally aspirated flat sixes, and the poise of their respective chassis. But a lot can also be attributed to the tactility of the six-speed manual that they all come with as standard; it's easily one of the most satisfying gearboxes currently on sale. That the GT4 and Spyder have always been manual seemed quite significant, too, a real stand by Porsche given the proliferation of automatics throughout the industry.
Which is why to some, the introduction of a PDK option to the line-up may seem somewhat unimportant - the cars are about the interaction of a manual, first and foremost, so the auto won't be considered. For those who do prefer two pedals, however - and there will surely be plenty - the spec sheet makes for happy reading. Not having to wait for a fleshy thing in the driver's seat to depress a clutch pedal and move a lever through the gate means that the 420hp flat-six [link=https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-driven/2019-porsche-718-cayman-gt4--driven/4059]GT4[/link] and [link=https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-driven/2019-porsche-718-boxster-spyder--driven/40600]Spyder[/link] can now hit 62mph in 3.9 seconds, half a second better than before and the first time a Boxster or Cayman has dipped below four seconds from the factory. And secondly, that they can both complete the 0-124mph dash in 13.4 seconds, four tenths faster than the manual versions.
It's much the same story for the 400hp GTS 4.0 models; both the [link=https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-driven/porsche-718-gts-4-0--ph-review/41859]Cayman[/link] and [link=https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-driven/porsche-718-boxster-gts-4-0--uk-review/42891]Boxster[/link] variants shed five tenths from the 4.5-second 0-62mph time of their manual equivalents. Their 0-124mph times are 13.7 seconds, which is four tenths better than before.
Along with the PDK's much-quicker shifts, blipped downshifts, and the auto 'box's integration with the drive modes - Normal, Sport, Sport Plus and Individual - it also adds Launch Control to the armoury. Porsche's Sport Response button, which instantly selects a gear to send the engine into its peak window of performance for 20 seconds, returns, too. Anyone familiar with the system from other auto Porsches will know how handy it is when a B-road overtaking opportunity suddenly arises.
The PDK's seventh ratio is also more tightly stacked against the six before it, which when coupled to the quicker change times, ought to make the auto more eager at speed. PDK-equipped GT4s and Spyders get an enhanced mechanical rear limited slip diff, too, capable of locking to a higher percentage than the manual one. Porsche says in "traction and over-run modes", the new diff achieves 30 and 37 per cent of respective lock, compared with 22 and 27 per cent in the six-speed equivalent.
The results equate to "a positive effect on straight line acceleration and cornering dynamics as well as overall traction", so says Porsche, which even those not able to visualise the impact of the aforementioned numbers can understand to be good things. Not surprisingly, the PDK cars are expected to be the quicker around a lap by some margin; they're also the more efficient offerings, with PDK GTS models good for 28mpg combined and 230g/km of CO2. The GT pairing achieve 26.4mpg combined and 242g/km of CO2 with the auto. It's all predictable stuff; for buyers not desperate to play with three pedals and a lever, it'll no doubt make the PDK deal even sweeter.
Speaking of which, Porsche is asking for an additional £2,303 from buyers selecting the PDK in GTS 4.0 models, which means the PDK GTS 4.0 starts from £67,783. For the GT models, the PDK option adds £2,000 to prices, so the pairing start at £77,780. As usual, then, it'll likely be personal preference, rather than affordability, that decides which transmission a buyer goes for. Expect the PDK to account for a decent chunk of sales, too, because UK sales of recent 911 GT models have been split about 50:50, where both options are available. PDK's potential impact on 718 GTS and GT sales is therefore significant.
ction, the wider two-seater Porsche range gains a few new features for the 2021 model year. Race-Tex fabric, as used in Porsche's motorsport cabins, will replace Alcantara; it uses a highly breathable structure that offers "greater support". Porsche's Python Green paint will become available with the GT4 and Spyder (it's already offered with the GTS models), and the GT4's gorgeous Aurum-coloured 20-inch rims will be offered with the Spyder for the first time. Also, Spyder buyers can now opt for conventional summer tyres (presumably the P Zeros as used on the GTS) rather than the standard-fit Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2s, potentially broadening the appeal further. Not that any of these models have ever lacked that particular quality...
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Which is why to some, the introduction of a PDK option to the line-up may seem somewhat unimportant - the cars are about the interaction of a manual, first and foremost, so the auto won't be considered. For those who do prefer two pedals, however - and there will surely be plenty - the spec sheet makes for happy reading. Not having to wait for a fleshy thing in the driver's seat to depress a clutch pedal and move a lever through the gate means that the 420hp flat-six [link=https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-driven/2019-porsche-718-cayman-gt4--driven/4059]GT4[/link] and [link=https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-driven/2019-porsche-718-boxster-spyder--driven/40600]Spyder[/link] can now hit 62mph in 3.9 seconds, half a second better than before and the first time a Boxster or Cayman has dipped below four seconds from the factory. And secondly, that they can both complete the 0-124mph dash in 13.4 seconds, four tenths faster than the manual versions.
Along with the PDK's much-quicker shifts, blipped downshifts, and the auto 'box's integration with the drive modes - Normal, Sport, Sport Plus and Individual - it also adds Launch Control to the armoury. Porsche's Sport Response button, which instantly selects a gear to send the engine into its peak window of performance for 20 seconds, returns, too. Anyone familiar with the system from other auto Porsches will know how handy it is when a B-road overtaking opportunity suddenly arises.
The results equate to "a positive effect on straight line acceleration and cornering dynamics as well as overall traction", so says Porsche, which even those not able to visualise the impact of the aforementioned numbers can understand to be good things. Not surprisingly, the PDK cars are expected to be the quicker around a lap by some margin; they're also the more efficient offerings, with PDK GTS models good for 28mpg combined and 230g/km of CO2. The GT pairing achieve 26.4mpg combined and 242g/km of CO2 with the auto. It's all predictable stuff; for buyers not desperate to play with three pedals and a lever, it'll no doubt make the PDK deal even sweeter.
ction, the wider two-seater Porsche range gains a few new features for the 2021 model year. Race-Tex fabric, as used in Porsche's motorsport cabins, will replace Alcantara; it uses a highly breathable structure that offers "greater support". Porsche's Python Green paint will become available with the GT4 and Spyder (it's already offered with the GTS models), and the GT4's gorgeous Aurum-coloured 20-inch rims will be offered with the Spyder for the first time. Also, Spyder buyers can now opt for conventional summer tyres (presumably the P Zeros as used on the GTS) rather than the standard-fit Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2s, potentially broadening the appeal further. Not that any of these models have ever lacked that particular quality...
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4 more further price drops as the days get shorter and the flippers get nervous [&:]
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spyder31
New member
Am I a bad person for having no sympathy seeing some OPCs on that list? The same network who condescendingly refused to offer me a place on the waiting list for a 718 spyder /718 gt4 /gt3 when new at list price (because I wasn’t the right type of customer). Despite having previously bought several porsche’s from them. Despite having and continuing to have all servicing etc carried out by them? The same network who after agreeing a deal with me for a 981 spyder, which they were selling at a vastly overinflated price, then tried to eek more money out of me in terms of the valuation on my own vehicle after they had already inspected it and agreed the price. Yeah sorry, I am probably a bad person!daro911 said:4 more further price drops as the days get shorter and the flippers get nervous [&:]
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turbo jonny
PCGB Member
Maybe just a foolish person who keeps going back for more abuse []
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turbo jonny
PCGB Member
No sympathy for the oppressors !
Further price slash now looks like its below original list possibly![&:] April 2020 £89990 September £79990!
Marmite specification doesn't do it any flipping favours
[link=https://www.gcmotors.co.uk/used-cars/11381758-porsche-718-4.0-spyder-s-s-2dr/]https://www.gcmotors.co.uk/used-cars/11381758-porsche-718-4.0-spyder-s-s-2dr/[/link]
Marmite specification doesn't do it any flipping favours
[link=https://www.gcmotors.co.uk/used-cars/11381758-porsche-718-4.0-spyder-s-s-2dr/]https://www.gcmotors.co.uk/used-cars/11381758-porsche-718-4.0-spyder-s-s-2dr/[/link]
SpyderDavid
Member
I’m guessing you’d have a unique car - but perhaps not in a good way! I could just about accept the classic interior on a silver car if it were all red, but the mix of black and red looks wrong to me. They say there’s a buyer for every car though if the price is right.
[link=https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10826705?cId=10871820&cId=10826705&cId=10530365&cId=10864938&cId=10834714&cId=10838481&cId=10873779&cId=10691918&cId=10871820&cId=10787948]https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10826705?cId=10871820&cId=10826705&cId=10530365&cId=10864938&cId=10834714&cId=10838481&cId=10873779&cId=10691918&cId=10871820&cId=10787948[/link]SpyderDavid said:
Another flipping Spyder
SpyderDavid
Member
Hmmm - another one not to my taste I’m afraid.
Pricing seems optimistic given the personal spec, time of year and current economic situation imo - but good luck to him.
Pricing seems optimistic given the personal spec, time of year and current economic situation imo - but good luck to him.
Will be interesting to see how much and how many PDK Spyders & GT4's will be flipped in the coming months but the performance gains over the 981 versions are really what the manual should have offered from the get go. The GTS PDK is now way quicker than the current 718 Spyder/GT4 manuals [&:]
[link=https://www.evo.co.uk/porsche]Porsche[/link] has announced that all of its mid-engined 718 models fitted with a flat-six engine – that’s [link=https://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/cayman/gt4]718 Cayman GT4[/link], [link=https://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/718-spyder]718 Boxster Spyder[/link], and the GTS 4.0 variants of both [link=https://www.evo.co.uk/sports-cars/202115/porsche-718-cayman-and-boxster-gts-ditch-four-cylinder-for-flat-six]Cayman[/link] and [link=https://www.evo.co.uk/sports-cars/202115/porsche-718-cayman-and-boxster-gts-ditch-four-cylinder-for-flat-six]Boxster[/link] – are now available with a seven-speed dual-clutch PDK transmission as an alternative to the standard six-speed manual.
The engine is unchanged save for a mild 7lb ft rise in torque in all models, which combined to the seamless upshifts and shorter gear ratios of the PDK, increases performance across the board. The 414bhp Cayman GT4 and Boxster Spyder both reach 62mph in 3.9sec with PDK, 0.5sec faster than the traditional manual, while the 0-124mph time is down 0.4sec at 13.4sec.
The 395bhp Boxster and Cayman GTS 4.0 reach the 62mph benchmark in 4.0sec, which is half a second quicker than their manual counterparts, and eventually go on to 124mph in 13.7sec, again 0.4sec faster.
Fuel consumption ratings are also improved compared to the manual, due in most part to the extra gear ratio, with both GTS models hitting a WLTP figure of 28mpg, 2.1mpg better, while the GT4/Spyder pair are rated at 26.4mpg, an 0.7mpg improvement compared to the manual.
While the PDK is standard-fit across the 911 Carrera and Targa line-up, with a manual transmission a no-cost option on some variants, in the 718 range PDK is still a cost option, adding £2303 for the GTS and £2000 to the GT4/Spyder.
[link]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjBs23XGIBs[/link]
[link=https://www.evo.co.uk/porsche]Porsche[/link] has announced that all of its mid-engined 718 models fitted with a flat-six engine – that’s [link=https://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/cayman/gt4]718 Cayman GT4[/link], [link=https://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/718-spyder]718 Boxster Spyder[/link], and the GTS 4.0 variants of both [link=https://www.evo.co.uk/sports-cars/202115/porsche-718-cayman-and-boxster-gts-ditch-four-cylinder-for-flat-six]Cayman[/link] and [link=https://www.evo.co.uk/sports-cars/202115/porsche-718-cayman-and-boxster-gts-ditch-four-cylinder-for-flat-six]Boxster[/link] – are now available with a seven-speed dual-clutch PDK transmission as an alternative to the standard six-speed manual.
The engine is unchanged save for a mild 7lb ft rise in torque in all models, which combined to the seamless upshifts and shorter gear ratios of the PDK, increases performance across the board. The 414bhp Cayman GT4 and Boxster Spyder both reach 62mph in 3.9sec with PDK, 0.5sec faster than the traditional manual, while the 0-124mph time is down 0.4sec at 13.4sec.
The 395bhp Boxster and Cayman GTS 4.0 reach the 62mph benchmark in 4.0sec, which is half a second quicker than their manual counterparts, and eventually go on to 124mph in 13.7sec, again 0.4sec faster.
Fuel consumption ratings are also improved compared to the manual, due in most part to the extra gear ratio, with both GTS models hitting a WLTP figure of 28mpg, 2.1mpg better, while the GT4/Spyder pair are rated at 26.4mpg, an 0.7mpg improvement compared to the manual.
While the PDK is standard-fit across the 911 Carrera and Targa line-up, with a manual transmission a no-cost option on some variants, in the 718 range PDK is still a cost option, adding £2303 for the GTS and £2000 to the GT4/Spyder.
[link]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjBs23XGIBs[/link]
Now with a dealerSpyderDavid said:
[link=https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10893733?cId=10893733&cId=10530365&cId=10825691&cId=10875674]https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10893733?cId=10893733&cId=10530365&cId=10825691&cId=10875674[/link]
SpyderDavid
Member
I’m guessing he’ll have been lucky if he got back what he paid for it. Brave dealer given the time of year and spec. GC Motors car still unsold at £80k - someone must be regretting that choice of colour and interior?daro911 said:Now with a dealerSpyderDavid said:
[link=https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10893733?cId=10893733&cId=10530365&cId=10825691&cId=10875674]https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10893733?cId=10893733&cId=10530365&cId=10825691&cId=10875674[/link]
SpyderDavid said:I’m guessing he’ll have been lucky if he got back what he paid for it. Brave dealer given the time of year and spec. GC Motors car still unsold at £80k - someone must be regretting that choice of colour and interior?daro911 said:Now with a dealerSpyderDavid said:
[link=https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10893733?cId=10893733&cId=10530365&cId=10825691&cId=10875674]https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10893733?cId=10893733&cId=10530365&cId=10825691&cId=10875674[/link]
Like the 718 or not I'm not a fan of the Gold wheels and scripting. I recall the nineties early 2000's the Gold scripting and wheels were all the rave in the States.
In 2017 when I went to the States I spotted a few, WOW[8|] talk about make a car look dated [X(]
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