Cayman GT4: Where are we up 2 now? Déjà vu Edition
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You can buy an RS one including PDK for £45k so a nice little upgrade for your GT4ChrisW said:
ted walker
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Was told by local OPC yesterday that the new GT4 will NOT be available until 2019.
I was told by West London and Exeter that they had no idea what was going on and would I prefer a GTS 
Brian_Innes
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If Porsche do indeed launch a flat-4 turbo 718 CR PDK with tweaked torque and top-end power, it'll be a sure-fire winner.
This is my tuppence-worth as an experienced owner of the current 781 CS PDK. It's already a surprisingly capable car for a "touring version" "S".
Brian
This is my tuppence-worth as an experienced owner of the current 781 CS PDK. It's already a surprisingly capable car for a "touring version" "S".
Brian
Steve Brookes
Moderator
I agree that it would polarize opinions. However, I've been very surprised at the uptake for the new 911T so I would not be surprised if a new CR with a F4T generates more interest than some might expect. It might generate a lot more interest than the original CR which had a very low uptake. After experiencing Brian's 718CS on a tour of Oulton Park, I would give some serious thought to a 718CR if they were to release one.
Brian_Innes
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Amen to that!
Brian
Brian
Brian_Innes
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This thing about polarising opinions on how the crank is turned, and the tunefulness or otherwise of the sound emitting from the exhaust pipes, leaves me somewhat bemused.
Porsches, the coupes that is, are sports cars. End of. They excel in dynamic performance whether on the road or on the track. The aim is to achieve improvement with each new evolution over the previous model. I bought my 718 with an open mind. If the car had turned out to be a bad egg I would have moved it on long ago. I had no pre-conceived prejudices against the flat-4 turbo, just as I have none against the 911, Boxster, or Spyder versions. They are all good, and are enjoyable driver's cars.
The forthcoming GT4 replacement will be another step forward in dynamic performance, including speed, whether relevant to some owners or not. My own opinion, based on no more than a hunch, is that Porsche will hedge their bets and go for a n/a flat-six from the parts bin for the GT4 PDK, and a tweaked flat-4 turbo for the 718 CR with manual and PDK options.
Steve is correct in saying the 987 CR was a low volume seller. Look at where it is now, in terms of desirability among track day enthusiasts in particular.
AP and his gang of merry men at Weisach are six-cylinder aficionados, that is already on record. My bet is, AP will get a budget for a flat-6 n/a GT4 with manual and PDK options. Meanwhile the Hoi-Poloi at the mainstream factory will get the green light for a flat-4 turbo Cayman R, tuned on the lap-top, with the usual cynical options list to inflate the price north of £60k. It'll be a success. No doubt about that.
Brian
Porsches, the coupes that is, are sports cars. End of. They excel in dynamic performance whether on the road or on the track. The aim is to achieve improvement with each new evolution over the previous model. I bought my 718 with an open mind. If the car had turned out to be a bad egg I would have moved it on long ago. I had no pre-conceived prejudices against the flat-4 turbo, just as I have none against the 911, Boxster, or Spyder versions. They are all good, and are enjoyable driver's cars.
The forthcoming GT4 replacement will be another step forward in dynamic performance, including speed, whether relevant to some owners or not. My own opinion, based on no more than a hunch, is that Porsche will hedge their bets and go for a n/a flat-six from the parts bin for the GT4 PDK, and a tweaked flat-4 turbo for the 718 CR with manual and PDK options.
Steve is correct in saying the 987 CR was a low volume seller. Look at where it is now, in terms of desirability among track day enthusiasts in particular.
AP and his gang of merry men at Weisach are six-cylinder aficionados, that is already on record. My bet is, AP will get a budget for a flat-6 n/a GT4 with manual and PDK options. Meanwhile the Hoi-Poloi at the mainstream factory will get the green light for a flat-4 turbo Cayman R, tuned on the lap-top, with the usual cynical options list to inflate the price north of £60k. It'll be a success. No doubt about that.
Brian
Sports cars are emotional purchases for most people, and part of that emotion is how the engine sounds and (more importantly to me) responds to the input of your right foot. Outright speed and an extra couple of percent of chassis tuning aren't top of the desire list, especially for a non-track road-only driver like me. I wouldn't buy a 718 due to the engine it has and I'm sure i'm not alone.
Like I said, they polarise opinion and neither camp is ever going to convince the other to change their mind.
I don't think we'll see an R and a GT4 though will we?
Like I said, they polarise opinion and neither camp is ever going to convince the other to change their mind.
I don't think we'll see an R and a GT4 though will we?
Brian_Innes
Member
David,
After 10k miles and 12 months touring on some of the best roads in Scotland, England and Wales, my 718 CS PDK is an involving, capable, and supremely enjoyable driving machine. All passengers who have sat with me have expressed how smooth and effortless the 718 is on a road journey.
As for throttle response to the right foot, 420Nm of torque arrives at 1900 rpm which makes for a more accessible power delivery on winding, undulating, rural roads as found in Scotland, North Wales, and North Yorkshire. It's not all about speed, that's kept for my track day exploits. It's the smooth torquey power delivery of the 718 that has most impressed me and everyone who has experienced it first hand. As for the sound, you soon get used to it.
Brian
After 10k miles and 12 months touring on some of the best roads in Scotland, England and Wales, my 718 CS PDK is an involving, capable, and supremely enjoyable driving machine. All passengers who have sat with me have expressed how smooth and effortless the 718 is on a road journey.
As for throttle response to the right foot, 420Nm of torque arrives at 1900 rpm which makes for a more accessible power delivery on winding, undulating, rural roads as found in Scotland, North Wales, and North Yorkshire. It's not all about speed, that's kept for my track day exploits. It's the smooth torquey power delivery of the 718 that has most impressed me and everyone who has experienced it first hand. As for the sound, you soon get used to it.
Brian
I agree David. I think that the R's position in the Porsche hierachy has been userped by the introduction of the GTS and GT4 versions of the Cayman and I struggle to find what a tweaked GTS would bring to the party.
As you point out, the engine issue has polarised opinion for the time being, but given time I suspect that it will become less so as the n/a cars gain mileage and numbers decline due to natural attrition. Plus, you can be sure that Porsche are working hard to tackle the perceived negative aspects of the flat-4 turbo engine.
Jeff
As you point out, the engine issue has polarised opinion for the time being, but given time I suspect that it will become less so as the n/a cars gain mileage and numbers decline due to natural attrition. Plus, you can be sure that Porsche are working hard to tackle the perceived negative aspects of the flat-4 turbo engine.
Jeff
I have a Golf , I still don’t see the point spunking £70k on A 4 pot.
effortless it may well be, but that’s why I have my R still, it's very involving.
When you count how many NA engine manual sports cars you can buy, it’s not many
not even Lotus make one now ,
things like my R, Spyder and GT4 are not made anymore, new cars really do suck money balls for me, cannot get excited with anything new.
nothing Porsche has made since 2010 match's the steering feel you get from the R or a 997.2 911. These are sweet spot cars for the driver in us.
Thats why why I never owned a 981 I hate the steering in them you cannot drive them on the limit PSM off in the wet, you just don’t get the feedback.
the R is looking expensive over a 2nd hand 981 or a 718, but it’s the better drivers car by a county mile.
The GT4 is too good lol so you tend to go a tad to fast in that.
you can stick PTV, eps, and e diffs up ones bottom. And now you can add turbo and PDK to that list of dullness people rave on about the 981 Spyder but again standard electric meaning PTV cuts in all the time and eps ruined the car As a drivers car.
Best value car today if you like driving is a 997.2 base model manual 911 at £43k
the Cayman R looks expensive so you do need to want one, but will not be disappointed in the £48k outlay.
but boy why are we not all buying 997.2 base model 911,s lol it’s the pick atm imo.
I still don’t see the point spunking £70k on A 4 pot.effortless it may well be, but that’s why I have my R still, it's very involving.
When you count how many NA engine manual sports cars you can buy, it’s not many
not even Lotus make one now ,
things like my R, Spyder and GT4 are not made anymore, new cars really do suck money balls for me, cannot get excited with anything new.
nothing Porsche has made since 2010 match's the steering feel you get from the R or a 997.2 911. These are sweet spot cars for the driver in us.
Thats why why I never owned a 981 I hate the steering in them you cannot drive them on the limit PSM off in the wet, you just don’t get the feedback.
the R is looking expensive over a 2nd hand 981 or a 718, but it’s the better drivers car by a county mile.
The GT4 is too good lol so you tend to go a tad to fast in that.
you can stick PTV, eps, and e diffs up ones bottom. And now you can add turbo and PDK to that list of dullness
people rave on about the 981 Spyder but again standard electric meaning PTV cuts in all the time and eps ruined the car As a drivers car.Best value car today if you like driving is a 997.2 base model manual 911 at £43k
the Cayman R looks expensive so you do need to want one, but will not be disappointed in the £48k outlay.
but boy why are we not all buying 997.2 base model 911,s lol it’s the pick atm imo.
Steve Brookes
Moderator
MrDemon said:
I've heard the same sort of thing said by the die hard air cooled guys...they can't get excited by anything that has water running through it. [
]As much as I enjoy my CR, I am open to what might come next. While a used GT4 is at the top of my agenda (as you know [
]) I've decide to stick with CR a little while (I've had a good trade offer for it) to see what happens in the near future. I'm not waiting for the next generation GT4 because I wouldn't get on the 'invite' list to buy one but the possibility of a 718CR intrigues me. IF such a car comes about soon and IF I would be allowed to buy one new, I would need a large piece of paper to jot down pros and cons of used GT4 versus a new 718CR which I have no doubt would have at least the same performance as the current GT4. Especially with a PDK option....which is yet another thing that polarizes our opinions! []
The air cooled boys have a point though new cars are a step too far from what I am after in a hobby car.
No one makes a NA manual sports car bar the MX5 and the GT86 !
Next GT4 might well be the last of a era.
The changes are too big for me to like anything. As a daily most new cars are nicer, but then as a daily my Golf does every thing I ever want a daily to do for £27k ! if I spent £150k on a Turbo S it would not excite me or be any nicer !
So that leaves trying to find a weekend car which is still exciting enough to put £80k into something which sits in the garage, it needs to be special and no new car is.
only car which has made me turn my head is the new Exige CUP 430 but it's 110k !
new cars are a step too far from what I am after in a hobby car.No one makes a NA manual sports car bar the MX5 and the GT86 !
Next GT4 might well be the last of a era.
The changes are too big for me to like anything. As a daily most new cars are nicer, but then as a daily my Golf does every thing I ever want a daily to do for £27k ! if I spent £150k on a Turbo S it would not excite me or be any nicer !
So that leaves trying to find a weekend car which is still exciting enough to put £80k into something which sits in the garage, it needs to be special and no new car is.
only car which has made me turn my head is the new Exige CUP 430 but it's 110k !
Steve Brookes
Moderator
Did they knock you back on the new GT3 allocation then David?
I wonder if we could return to speculation about the Gen 2 GT4 and perhaps start a new thread on someone's next car so we can advise him. []
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