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Cayman GT4: Where are we up to now?

It would be good to think so Rob, especially if it was included in the price. We'll just have to wait and see. Jeff
 
Indeed Jeff, it's easy for these magazines to patch together a plausible array of Porsche's consistent & repetitious development plans and products features. But the GT4 is a new direction and isn't likely to follow the typical power hikes and bundling of components that is usually the ingredients of other specials.
 
GT Porsche have no spec, they prob using this or info on Pistonheads forum. There did not even quote a engine size. The car looks lower than a GTS also, so I would say they got zero info right !
 
ORIGINAL: Motorhead An impressive spec which sounds more like that for a race car rather than one for normal road use.
Indeed - and a test that in my personal experience Porsche's own brake fluid would fail at. Chris.
 
Interesting comment Chris. I wonder if Porsche development cars use race spec rather than standard spec brake fluid? Jeff
 
ORIGINAL: Motorhead Back on the subject of brakes [again!], Paul Frere in his 2006 book "Porsche Boxster Story" describes the extreme requirements of the Standard Porsche Brake Test as follows: This consists of 25 consecutive retardations with a deceleration of 0.8g from 90% of the car's maximum speed down to 100kph [62mph] from where the car is immediately re-accelerated as quickly as possible , using the gearbox, to 90% of its maximum speed, and so forth. During the entire test procedure the deceleration must never fall below 0.8g and the temperature of the discs must never exceed 700degC. An impressive spec which sounds more like that for a race car rather than one for normal road use. Jeff
I have been told of such tests, but not with those high numbers. I am sure I was told 10 stops on steels and 20 stops on PCCB from a much lower speed, or some thing like that, may have been even less on PCCB, I did not take a much notice when I was told and have forget the details. a oem Porsche cannot and would not do 170mph stops 25 times in a row that's for sure. I would say 6 stops at 100mph would induce fade and braking distance on oem pads.
 
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ORIGINAL: Motorhead Back on the subject of brakes [again!], Paul Frere in his 2006 book "Porsche Boxster Story" describes the extreme requirements of the Standard Porsche Brake Test as follows: This consists of 25 consecutive retardations with a deceleration of 0.8g from 90% of the car's maximum speed down to 100kph [62mph] from where the car is immediately re-accelerated as quickly as possible , using the gearbox, to 90% of its maximum speed, and so forth. During the entire test procedure the deceleration must never fall below 0.8g and the temperature of the discs must never exceed 700degC. An impressive spec which sounds more like that for a race car rather than one for normal road use. Jeff
I have been told of such tests, but not with those high numbers. I am sure I was told 10 stops on steels and 20 stops on PCCB from a much lower speed, or some thing like that, may have been even less on PCCB, I did not take a much notice when I was told and have forget the details. a oem Porsche cannot and would not do 170mph stops 25 times in a row that's for sure. I would say 6 stops at 100mph would induce fade and braking distance on oem pads.
I think that I saw the quote initially in a later edition of Frere's Porsche 911 Story which preceded his Boxster book. The late Paul Frere was "an engineer, journalist and former top-flight racing driver who enjoyed a long-standing relationship with the Porsche company", so you have give some credence to what he says. However, given his close association with the Porsche race department, it's possible that he got the wrong end of the stick when told about this and the spec applied [applies?] only to the race cars and not the production cars. BTW, for a modern Porsche the spec would approximate to 25 consecutive 0.9g stops from 150 mph to 60mph. Jeff
 
And worth chatting to ChrisW about his twin car Andy. https://www.porscheclubgb.com/forum/tm.asp?m=758683
 
ORIGINAL: flat6 And worth chatting to ChrisW about his twin car Andy. https://www.porscheclubgb.com/forum/tm.asp?m=758683
Thanks Cecil, yes I know ChrisW but it was only a tentative enquiry for now [;)]
 
Thats' what you said about the Cayman R and then temptation got the better of you[8D] Let me be the first to congratulate you on your new racing car:ROFLMAO: Just joking[;)]
 
ORIGINAL: Motorhead .....I think that I saw the quote initially in a later edition of Frere's Porsche 911 Story which preceded his Boxster book. The late Paul Frere was "an engineer, journalist and former top-flight racing driver who enjoyed a long-standing relationship with the Porsche company", so you have give some credence to what he says. However, given his close association with the Porsche race department, it's possible that he got the wrong end of the stick when told about this and the spec applied [applies?] only to the race cars and not the production cars. BTW, for a modern Porsche the spec would approximate to 25 consecutive 0.9g stops from 150 mph to 60mph. Jeff
Jeff Staying with the subject of brakes, I think that you are fairly close to the mark re brake testing. Have a look at European Homologation of Braking Systems Motor Vehicles, M1 Regulation No. 13H ECE if you are really interested in the definitive word for brake tests applied newer (up to 2004, the modern amendments are even longer) cars: http://inform.wabco-auto.com/intl/pdf/815/000/051/815_051t3.pdf UNECE (United Nations Economic Commission for Europe) is the international umbrella organisation for what we might think of as Construction and Use Regs. Hint : It's a bit long and the table of contents is a useful guide ;). Look here for a more modern (2012) and simple explanation of how the ECE regulations affect new motor vehicle and their homologation. http://www.activetest.eu/pdf/workshop2/03_lafuente_idiada.pdf For instance this document gives useful definitions of vehicle types referred to in WCE Reg 13 - eg M2 for small passenger cars. If you find that long winded and like real stress tests demanded by Porsche for there newer models (991) how about 5 cycles of 600 1.6g stops from 190 to 60mph ? Don't believe me look at about 49' 30" on this video of an lecture given Darrick Dong , the Director of Motorsport for PFC Brakes: http://vimeo.com/88695225 It's about a one hour lecture so make some coffee, light your pipe, sit back and relax. It's worth the watch. Enjoy FBR
 
ORIGINAL: fbr It's about a one hour lecture so make some coffee, light your pipe, sit back and relax. It's worth the watch. Enjoy FBR
As I am not driving, it's a bottle of Albarino for me.
 
ORIGINAL: ralphmusic As I am not driving, it's a bottle of Albarino for me.
Ralph Good man - it's safer than "shaking hands with Jesus" ... FBR PS Ralph - if you look on the second video on the PFC link, which is largely a repetition of the first, you will see a short reference to how ABS is sometimes used as a strategy to cope with mismatched front-rear piston calliper areas that is apparently used by some manufacturers as an off the peg rather than a custom solution.
 
ORIGINAL: daro911 Will we see exclusive GT4 colours too like the Met Green Cayman R[&o]
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Is that Maritime or Mexico blue ?? It looks great to me ...
 
ORIGINAL: fbr
ORIGINAL: ralphmusic As I am not driving, it's a bottle of Albarino for me.
Ralph Good man - it's safer than "shaking hands with Jesus" ... FBR PS Ralph - if you look on the second video on the PFC link, which is largely a repetition of the first, you will see a short reference to how ABS is sometimes used as a strategy to cope with mismatched front-rear piston calliper areas that is apparently used by some manufacturers as an off the peg rather than a custom solution.
Just finished watching, off to bed now.. ha ha So much data acquisition and engineering, I wonder how Fangio, Moss et al were ever able to drive without all this technology
 

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