Cayman GT4: Where are we up to now?
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So Apolo1 strikes again on the slow down bit 4.0L
I once joked about Porsche probably tasking their engine engineers with the tough task of keeping the Cayman just behind the Carrera after the chassis engineers had failed their remit by doing too good a job. Assuming they let the GT4 eclipse the Carrera, it won't need much of an engine to keep it behind the S. Does 'too fast' mean it isn't going racing? A GTS with wings, bigger brakes and 15hp extra? Hoping MrD says "No"
ORIGINAL: daro911http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/geneva-motor-show/hot-audi-rs3-sportback-revealed-362bhp-plus-first-ride-review Will it be quicker than this VAG Turbo [][
I agree. As much a Porsches are often superior to many others when going around a corner, simple straight line performance is also a key attribute to thrills on the open road. I've had interest in some non-Porsche cars that would give more thrills in a straight line than some Porsches but also be fairly good around corners. Whether the Porsche is half a second quicker when on the ragged edge around a track despite it's power deficit, becomes a bit irrelevant to road use where the other car could be as quick under [responsible] road use. But I choose Porsche for the all round package and the confidence inspiring cornering. But as Porsche tries to swell its sales figures, some of those buyers they are trying to tempt out of other powerful machines may have a cruder wish list. Hopefully the GT4 is fast enough to thrill in terms of in gear acceleration on the open road before being taken to a track day to be thrashed. Don't get me wrong, the Cayman S and GTS are plenty fast enough for the road, but according to Porsche's figures, a Panamera GTS will give you more performance in a straight line and be asking you to move over if one came up behind you whilst your trying to enjoy yourself in the absence of corners. The GT4 will hopefully offer what has been available in other models for years - unnecessary amounts of performance[ORIGINAL: daro911I mean quick on the roads where the majority will spend 99% of their life[
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Will it go as well as this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umAWBf54R2g Interesting sound as well
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on both accounts, weight is out of the car also and it has GT3 steering (thank goodness, the GTS is a way over hyped car) my biggest issue was going to be the 981 steering after the R's Still no sign of any sort of PDK option, all cars as far as I know are all manual. I think org spec was just the straight swap 3.8l with 400bhp but it's had to be de tuned down to 380 but not sure if that's PS or BHP. car is going to be so sort after at £65k it seems a bargain and will jump in price the day of release on the 2nd hand market no question. I do hope some of the launch colours are awesome, as I am not waiting 3 months extra for PTS. RS orange please for me...... may have shorter ratio's lets hope so...
Well, that's ticked a few of the boxes. It's probably 380 metric hp [PS] since it's a German car and the GT3 steering was a a bit of a no-brainer really given it's positive press reviews, and parts and software are already in place. Dropping the final drive ratio rather than altering the actual gearbox ratios would be relatively simple and cheap bearing in mind the bargain price. Not having a [heavy] PDK 'box option would reinforce the car's race credentials but would fly in the face of market trends, so we'll have to wait and see. Limited production gives Porsche the opportunity to offer some unusual launch colours. Thanks for keeping us posted MrD. Jeff
Jeff the "heavy" PDK optioned cars are always faster accelerating, lower CO2's and more mpg so why would any forward thinking sports car manufacturer today sacrifice all those advantages not to mention the extra margin a PDK box brings to the bean counters[&o] Manual only option in 2015 would be an extremely strange path for any car maker to tread IMO even if run by Jeremy Clarksons of this world[
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Fun That simple, thanks to Porsche they can still make fun cars to drive. They make a lot of dull cars driven by the masses already.ORIGINAL: daro911Jeff the "heavy" PDK optioned cars are always faster accelerating, lower CO2's and more mpg so why would any forward thinking sports car manufacturer today sacrifice all those advantages not to mention the extra margin a PDK box brings to the bean counters[&o] Manual only option in 2015 would be an extremely strange path for any car maker to tread IMO even if run by Jeremy Clarksons of this world[
Personally I can't see why Porsche wouldn't option the PDK 'box. With limited numbers and more sporting pretentions perhaps emissions and fuel economy aren't quite so critical but, as said, on paper PDK performance always marginally trounces that of the manual. And the punters seem to like the option so why not offer it and take the £2k price premium? No doubt Porsche's marketing buffs are burning the midnight oil finalising the spec within the £65k budget. Jeff
Not sure £6k is correct, isn't S PDK + Sport Chrono + Paddles £3.3k v £2.3k on GTS where Puddles are extra £0.1k and SC standard? I don't think PCM is required for PDK
Quite so Rob. But if the GT4 is to be manual only, S/C doesn't give any significant benefits since the basic software includes 2 throttle/engine maps and the GT4 may well feature even more aggressive mapping. More to the point, I'm interested to know how Porsche plan to take out weight in a reasonably light car [by modern standards anyway] given that a considerable amount of aluminium features in the 981's construction [doors, bonnet and rear hatch]. I'm sure that bucket seats will be standard as well, probably, as a lighter fascia and door pulls like those in the Cayman R, so other than deleting some of the sound deadening treatment and making the a/c and radio no-cost options [and not forgetting those weighty cup holders!], I can't see where significant weight savings can be made. Nor can I see carbon-fibre fittings featuring at a £65k price-point. Thinner carpets and headliner, a lightweight battery? I doubt it. You've got to provide some creature comforts in a car that's primarily for road use. Jeff
Agreed Rob. And efforts at weight reduction on a production road car are just tinkering. The Cayman R was a typical example. I'm sure that only a small number of hardcore owners chose not to have a radio and a/c and if the PDK 'box was selected that added another 25kg, negating many of the so-called weight saving measures. That's before taking into account the driver's weight: a 3 stone difference is about 19kg. Jeff
New spycam video of the gt4.... very analogue in all departments [] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm8Xo7OvM4A
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