Chesil/Tygan

[JCB..]

ORIGINAL: mrsherbie
I find it amusing that a few people who dont seem to understand why rules are created to give form to any car show, and then stamp their feet and resort to personal insult and make incorrect assumptions & statements just because they are wrong. ( But dont like it)

It's always nice to be able to laugh at oneself. []

 

[Helen Goff]

ORIGINAL: Muzzer911

Are there are previous threads on these 356 Speedster replicas. I cant afford an original Speedster but have seen these replicas for circa £15K

and to think this whole thread started with a perfectly reasonable question..

answer to the question is. yes you can pick up good replica speedsters from around £15k.. if you havea little bit more to spend and want anew one with the Benifit of modern safety features, drivers aides and gadgets then getalong to Gmund Cars near Knareborough and take a look at the ones he is having made. www.gmundcars.com. the owner Andrew Mearns knows his Porsches and races them and h has had these cars made to his own specifications.

be aware when looking to buy a replica 356 speedster that many of them are bought as kit cars and made up by DIY mechanics using the cheapest parts availble rather than the best. whereas others have been professionally made to replicate the orignals were ever possable. some even includng original porsche suspention, brakes,engine ++++

you won't find replicas discussed or welcomed at any PCGB which i guess is fair anough.. you will however not be short of a warm welcome at other clubs and all classic car shows and outings.

 

[kenparker]

Well it's been an interesting time reading all this, it's this sort of stuff that has not made me want to fill the DD form out for this club I have to say. I think the Tipec and DDK people I have met have been abit more relaxed about things. I am too old to worry about who I might upset if I talk about things. I just move on...

Well just to show you some thing as I used to build cars and rebuild classic's I noted a 917 replica made in much the same way as the orginal except it didn't use the frame as an oil cooler ( don't know if people knew that or now ) and it sold at an American Auction for $650,000.00 I think it is mad to pay that much when you can build one for £50,000-70,000 using a kit from Down under..

but the build quality is stunning and not before long there will be 917's back on the classic race cct with 911 engines in the back and good on them. So lets see if a club like this still wants to turn it's back.. I feel the basic models are not liked but a top flight 917 or 904 replica will become a " GREY AREA " because of money.. you watch.. in time []

 

[Helen Goff]

thank-goodness after being very actively involved with this club at all levels for over 8 years i can honestly say i have met very few real snobs. and even fewer rude ones who openly slag off other people motors. infact quite the reverse i have had quite alot of help/encouragment and its opened doors for us.
most people know me (and my cars)well anough to know i love all porsches. and i respect the club anough to respect the official club view on replicas even if i don't agree with it.
unfortunatly this amazing demonstration of predudice and snobbery seems to be picked up on by knockers of the PCGB as a "typical members view" which is unfortunate. for the club as a whole and especially at the moment for the hard working directors who have a difficult anough job to do already.

 

[Helen Goff]

ORIGINAL: paul kelley

Hi All

Lets not start another "red herring" thread about Membership.
"replicars[]" have always been a problem, but Ruf is hardly a replicant as it started life as a Porsche chassis, and the relationship with Porsche is well known. There are many full Members who own these wonderful machines, and I would hope that they stay as full Members.

Please remember that we are Members of " Porsche" Club GB, not the Porsche Special Lookalike Club,

My view I know, but I do have a passion for the real thing, but do not mind those that start off with a copy hoping to get a real one when funds permit.

(crash helmet on, waiting for incoming flack[])

Have fun

Paul Kelley

Paul answered the question here beautifully and fully. no more needed to be said.

 

[Lightweight_911]

I can remember back in the mid '80's when the PCGB organised a nation-wide raffle where the 1st prize was a ...........


Porsche 718 RSK (grp-bodied) replica based on a Beetle floorpan

- & it appeared on the front cover of the club's magazine !

 

[kenparker]

[] Pot Kettle Black


I will get my coat [8|]

 

[Hilux]

I actually dont disagree with most of your reply Helen, apart mainly from the fact that, NO kitcars should not be on a display at a Porsche Show. Take them to a kitcar show if you want appreciation for them.

Ken, you were not alone in wondering why it was there. Plenty of people mentioned that Kitcar should not have been there, in silly outlaw clothing at that.
Thats why they are not allowed, because they are the very people who break rules deliberately, when rules are there for a reason.
How would you feel having worked hard all your life to buy your dream Speedster, only to find some muppet decides to crash your display and park his plastic fantastic right next to you.
People did'nt drive many hours to get there only to have a kitcar park next to them

I cant believe I`ve just read comments like that on a car enthusiasts forum (regardless of marque) I thought the idea was to enjoy Porsche cars and what better complement is there than to copy one if you cannot afford a real one. Not my cup of tea but the world would be a poorer place without them.

I`ve built and rebuilt classic and kit cars and I`ve been to shows and meets etc and seen the best and worst of them displayed. The best are better than factory cars because real thought and engineering has gone into them due to their very unique nature. Believe me I've also looked to buy genuine Porkers from (cough) specialist independents and some were real dogs.

I`ve been to PCGB meets and shows and next to some stunning Gt2's and 3's etc seen some very shiney Porkers with misaligned panels and doors, worn interiors, some even have scuffed tyres and (horror) aftermarket roll cages and horror of horrors the occasional rusty bit showing through. All highly modified and used by owners who love them.

I thought the idea of joining a car club (PCGB) was to meet like minded individuals and enthusiasts (for Porsche) and appreciate that if a member is a member then it doesnt matter one bit what he/she drives. He/she is a member first!

How very sad................................and arrogant!!

 

[Laurence Gibbs]

I think MrsHerbie likes to pick and choose just what makes a replica a bad thing. For the record there are good and bad repro parts (re engineered parts might be more accurate a term) and replica's and genuine cars can have either parts. A well built replica with correct parts will handle in a similar but not exactly the same fashon as the real thing (given that they both have the same type of running gear) the difference mainly will be in the floorpan design and the use of lightweight materials in the bodywork for the rep. They are not chalk and cheese !
Just to grey matters a little. Many moons ago a Club member had a 356. The body was rather rusty but the mechanicals were all sound . So he ditched the rotten body (even genuine ones rust mrs herbie) and replaced it with a 550 spyder fiberglass one. Now is this a kit car , a Porsche , a replica . Should it be allowed to be shown at PCGB events. By the way those of you with long memories will know of whom i'm reffering . Maybe he's looking down and having a little chukle[]

 

[carreraboy]

What about an an "Appreciation Register" .... encompass those who appreciate the marque, it'snot just the 356 Speedsters, but we now have more replica 2.7RS than the real ones, more 2.8RSR than real ones, 959, 924 Carrera GT, and more and more 964/993RS OK SO THEY MAY START LIFE WITH A PORSCHE CHASSIS, but they are not the real thing, let these genuine enthusiasts have their fun and not be outcast. Kremer 935 are they the real thing? Fressingsports? DP Motorsports? RS Tuning? 9M 964RS? Let's keep the heritage alive and hope the people like Apal/Tygan keep the legend living for generations to come.......

 

[RSGulp]

Reading other 'Porsche enthusiast' forums you very quickly get the impression that PCGB is arrogant and unwelcoming of anything other than 'proper Porsches' (and that's ignoring the absurd air vs water, front vs rear engine debate).

How many of us, like me, bought air-cooled VWs as young drivers because when we 'grew up' we wanted to buy real Porsches? I've now bought what I believe is a Porsche in it's truest sense - lightweight and absolutely fit-for-purpose.

I think this club could benefit (both directly with new membership income, and indirectly with a better 'brand image' in the wider sense) by welcoming all enthusiasts of the Porsche marque - even owners of replicas.

One of my dream Porsches is a 550 Spyder. I know for a fact that without a lottery win or a long-lost aunt kicking her boots I will never have a spare quarter of a million pounds to spend on the real thing. Is it such a bad thing that I could build a 'replica' using a (Porsche DNA'd) VW TypI as a base and share the enjoyment of the car with other Porsche Enthusiasts by joining PCGB?

Perhaps this is where TIPEC has an advantage over PCGB - TIPEC caters for real Enthusiasts not just Porsche owners.

 

[mrsherbie]

ORIGINAL: RSGulp

How many of us, like me, bought air-cooled VWs as young drivers because when we 'grew up' we wanted to buy real Porsches? I've now bought what I believe is a Porsche in it's truest sense - lightweight and absolutely fit-for-purpose.

US, and we still have our old vw's also. It is the long route to 356 ownership but I am glad we got here this way.

This is either a club for Porsches, or any old fibreglass kitcar built in an garage on the planet at any time. If that is the case then this year rather than renew we will stick with the US 356 registry instead.
So far most people who have responded on this thread have either owned or built kitcars, or own post 80's Porsches so to be fair are biased.
So include the kitcars by all means, but you will lose many of the early 356 and real speedster owners from the club because I can tell you I am not alone with my view. I have discussed the topic with many 356 owners and at the moment we are the only POCGB members amongst all of our friends, and that is about 10 356's and pre73 cars that are on the road.
Fortunately I think/hope the people in control will not let that happen.

Not everything is about high membership numbers.

I personally think the POCGB is simply too large, it is impossible to find like minded enthusiasts when spanning such a large year/model spectrum, as has been proved on this thread..

Maybe there should be discussion with the committee about a completely separate breakaway POCGB sister club for just 356's REAL ONLY which must have legitimate chassis numbers that could solve it.
If you have a chesil etc, you can still be a POCGB member "appreciation club" as mentioned above, but just not the 356 club, and displays will be separate.
I will make the suggestion.

 

[Mark_Bennett]

Please don't take this the wrong way, because I like to see all enthusiasts here as well...

But the club surely DOES welcome those without genuine "legitimate chassis numbered" Porsche cars - as they do have an "Associate Member" category of membership for those without a Porsche. No-one is excluded, and the only difference from "full membership is, I believe, that the Associate Member cannot vote at the AGM.

I believe there was an incident a few years ago where a "look-alike" was being passed off as the real thing at a national event. The problem with kit-cars stemmed from that incident.
I certainly appreciate the cars whether genuine ("wow - that's rare") or replica ("wow - you've done a great job there"), but attempting to say the latter is the former just doesn't work!

Just my opinion. I have no influence with the powers that be, and look at the car I own, I just wouldn't understand anyway[] []