GT4 Versus 991 Carrera S

[matthewlatter]

You dont own or use one so I believe you cannot really comment.

Anyway made my quick buck thanks and have taken my lack of ability on to something awesome.....

 

[dpoynton]

made my quick buck thanks

And for the only time based on what I've been told, the PC will not sell you any more GTs now, even if you wanted one.

 

[Steve Brookes]

You dont own or use one so I believe you cannot really comment.

Anyway made my quick buck thanks and have taken my lack of ability on to something awesome.....

I have the next best thing to it (Cayman R) in my opinion and clearly stated that I've spent time in friends' GT4s and have experienced what they can really do. Glad you like your awesome thing , I'm sure it's fantastic on the road and really takes care of all those hot hatches that need putting in their place.

 

[matthewlatter]

I've bought 3 cars in a year from my opc + loads of extras.

I bought the GT4 with intention of keeping it (78k specced) and was excited when it was all hyped up.

Got it delivered and was just disappointed with the look and the drive.

But at 78k its a good car but it will never be a 911 and so it shouldn't be when you look at the cost price difference.

And what does opc expect me to do sell it at below market rate just to appease them. Porsche Uk are the ones who started all this GT car overs bollocks.

 

[MrDemon]

I really don't like 911's so the best thing some one can say is "it will never be a 911" I am on my 4th mid engine Porker and I like them that way.

Turbo's an ok car, but once you get used the speed it's a one trick dull pony sorry to say.

 

[spyderwhite]

the only 991 I would consider over my gt4 is a Gts coupe and certainly not a 991s cab better off with a 981 Spyder, if the gt4 had never come along I would have bought a 997.2 manual coupe either S or gts a year ago!

 

[CarreraGTS]

Come on guys... Lets not make this debate a personal one, as that was not my intention!

After owning a 997 GTS that i bought with 9k miles for £62k and sold with 17k miles for £58k under the guidance of the OPC Porsche buyer, as he said prices would fall due to 991 Carrera S prices dropping. I didn't sell to the OPC buyer as his bid was £52k ... ;( Crazy!

For the price i would say a 997 GTS compared to £110k GT4 the GTS is a way better purchase, I nearly bought a Manual GTS at my OPC two weeks ago for £55k with 22k miles on it in but still wanted to explore the GT4 as it hadn't been above 5k revs at that point and wish i had bought it now but it didn't have Sports Chrono ...

I do like my GT4 but when you consider what the car is worth and what cars you could buy in replacement it seams crazy to keep it but don't want to be seen as a flipper and fall out from grace with my OPC

I will continue to drive it and hope that the car gets better as the miles go onto it ... For sure the road holding and overall looks are incredible but the "sewing machine" noise of the engine at 70 Mph and in 6th gear just drives me crazy in comparison to a 911 ... I will also try a 991 GT3 over the summer and see how that compares as it maybe a more expensive but stronger financial proposition that the 991 GTS

 

[spyderwhite]

imo you should not look at the overs price when comparing with other porsche models especially when most purchased at list! my car came it at just under £71k and at the time of purchase a 2 year old 991s was £80K+ and a good 5 year old low miles manual 997 gts was north of £60k so at my price point nothing came close with the added cheap motoring for 3years (no warranty costs and only one service to pay for) but ok now with the overs do you buy a delivery miles new gt4 or a nearly new 991gts with a few k miles on the clock? the gt4 and 991gts will always have a similar secondhand value and appeal to different buyers but remain strongely priced whereas the 991s will continue a downward trend and is certainly not worth getting out of a gt4 for!

 

[MrDemon]

997GTS is a great car but the ones I were looking at were £68k for ultra low miles so as the above a 5 year old GTS or a new GT4 , GT4 wins every time.

The best drivers car is still the R so at £45k one could say all the car any one ever needs and than that makes the 997.2 GTS look bloody expensive imo for £20k more.

As for GT4 noise, it's ******* loud, it's the loudest car I have owned from 66 cars, so I don't get that bit !

It's too noisy for most track days and every one turns heads when you are coming. and GT4 noise vs 997 GTS again GT4 is miles louder !

As for worth, well I paid £75k so that's what's it's worth to me, yes I could sell it for £89k but what does one get for £90k plus no depreciation.

Again rather run a GT4 for 2 years for free and get my £75k back than take overs now.

It's a free GT car for 2 years !

 

[Steve Brookes]

I don't see any personal debate on the thread...just Cayman owners on a Cayman forum responding to criticism about a Cayman! [] Mr D is right about the noise when a GT4 is wound up to the red line.....sounds bloody marvelous to me! Chris W and Mr D can really pedal their GT4s round a track...well worth hitching a passenger ride round Donington with them on Monday.

However, there is one criticism that can be levelled at a GT4......it's as thirsty as a Cayenne Turbo!

 

[spyderwhite]

i took the gt4 on a run up to see family that i have done a few times in the past in my old spyder at the weekend , its a 140 mile trip each way of which 90% is motorway with various traffic jams,slow moving traffic and roadworks that have been there forever! now in the 987 spyder after it was run in i use to average between 30-33mpg each way but in the still running gt4 i averaged 28-29 mpg(at one stage it hit 30 mpg but then we hit accident traffic on the m25)!

now after reading all the stories of bad mpg i was worried i would not have enough petrol on one fill up to do the return journey but came back with 120 mile range left!

yes its thirsty round town and does seem to take a long time on a run from cold for the mpg to climb into the low 20s whereas the spyder didn't take long !

in the spyder after 4k miles my average was 25 mpg whereas on the trip computer from new to nearly a 1k miles my average is 24.4 mpg in the gt4!

 

[MrDemon]

very lucky my ave is 17mpg in 2k miles :-( about 7 mpg on track and 12 mpg on a hoon.

 

[spyderwhite]

very lucky my ave is 17mpg in 2k miles :-( about 7 mpg on track and 12 mpg on a hoon.

but what does your spyder do driven in a similar manner? I am comparing like for like driving style/use.

 

[ChrisW]

Well I'd like to see the value of GT4's fall so that people will own them for what they are, rather than what they might make

It's great car for wannabe track-day warriors, and particularly for those who want a willing partner with which to learn to really drive, in the safety of a glorified roundabout !!

 

[MrDemon]

very lucky my ave is 17mpg in 2k miles :-( about 7 mpg on track and 12 mpg on a hoon.

but what does your spyder do driven in a similar manner? I am comparing like for like driving style/use.

about 14 mpg on track, 23 total ave and 33 on a run, same with the R. on a hoon never below 20mpg so a big change for hooning vs 12 !!.

 

[CarreraGTS]

Over 5k Revs its definitely louder but at low revs or high gears it just sounds like a hair dryer IMO ... It has non of the famous 911 tick-over or non of the metallic warble when accelerating under torque .... Its a drop dead gorgeous car to look at and a bonified Porsche legend and will remain as such but with a better engine and more Bhp would be Perfect but sadly and without wishing to sound trite ... its not a 911 - I desperately want to love it as i waited over a year to get it and feel privileged to own such a Marque and will probably keep it despite these criticisms as i do still enjoy driving it and with the 918 Seats and Club Sport spec love the feel of the car but will save my money and buy a Aston DBs or a 911 GTS in the next year or so or until the gen2 GT4 or RS is produced ...

 

[MrDemon]

you need to track it, that's what it does.

No point owning a GT4 if it never see's a track imo.

 

[Steve Brookes]

First GT4 video link from yesterday at Donington (Jack in the silver one):

[link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X9L8ns-tfs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X9L8ns-tfs[/link]

Sounds just like a sewing machine. []

 

[CarreraGTS]

I do understand the Tracking part of Cayman GT4 ownership but correct me if I'm wrong but Andreas P said the GT4 was designed as a Road and track car unlike the GT3 which was Track then road car ... The car is better above 6k revs but on a Road situation this happens 0.01% of the time! On the road the GT4 is a slow car and can be kept honest by VW GTi / VXR etc etc ... plus its sounds like a hairdryer with No bark and very little popping/spitting on the over Run in comparison with the mainstream CarreraS which is faster and sounds better 98% of the time - If it wasn't a GT car and limited build it quite simply would not have the hype and values £££ it currently enjoys ... GTS 911 in any guise is a better proposition 99% of the time and in 991 form could probably whip the GT4 on track as well ... I just prey AP build the GT4 RS as that will be some car and one to keep forever ... Again - please don't get me wrong ... i do love my GT4 but do find it lacking in some areas that are dear to me and what i want in car ownership ... but then on others i love it ... Andrew

 

[matthewlatter]

Well said from another ex 911 and ex GT4 owner. If you not had a 911 before you'd think the GT4 was amazing. I can back these comments up. I was excited for over 5 months waiting for the GT4 and I felt it was a bit of a damp squid...