GT4 Versus 991 Carrera S

[Steve Brookes]

I think you are gradually persuading yourself (and us) that it's not the car for you. Therefore, I think you should sell before the used prices slide any more. That's what I would do in your situation.

BTW I think the references to being kept honest by VW GTi/VXR drivers is a silly one because they will keep any car honest on the road purely due to their mentality of "let's see if we can keep 'wiv this geezer in a Porsche". I actually find that reps in Audi RS3s are the worst offenders for this. You'll never put them down, regardless of what you drive. Rising to the bait is likely to lead to a visit to a cell or a hospital bed. Best to ignore them a let them find someone else to wind up.

 

[tscaptain]

and I felt it was a bit of a damp squid...

Think you'll find that's a squib.......all squids are damp.[] Until they become calamari, that is...[&:]

 

[matthewlatter]

Sell it and move on.

 

[Sandy59]

A fellow GT4 owner I know removed a piece of carpet/trim from the area behind the engine, that seemed to improve the internal noise quite a bit at least. I believe there are also aftermarket exhaust options that make a difference, but understand not everyone wants to go that route.

 

[MrDemon]

it'a too noisy imo, we got 3 black flags at donny for noise in the GT4's

I cannot work out what people are saying when they think it's quite, it's 122DB FFS

and when worked does more than pop, it gun shots and has none of the fake pops over run bull**** people like on 981 GTS's, it's a hard core honest sound imo.

AP has never said the GT3 is a track car 1st, none of these car are track cars, try a real track car and come back and tell us your ears bleed, the roll cage gets in the way etc etc.

race cars/track cars are nasty things never to be let loose on the road.

We all own road cars, and no VXR would keep with my GT4, the tyre foot print along would drop it quite fast on the 1st bend.

Again if you want speed alone buy a 991.2 Turbo S or a 650S or some thing those cars rewrite fast road cars.

then it makes you think if the main 911 even has a place now, it seems a pointless buy imo.

Why own the C2s or a GTS when the Turbo S is king and the fastest ?

If you want feel and a manual then the GT4 is king.

Those are the 2 best Cars Porsche make atm, so why buy any of the other tat !

As RW said the 3 best Porsche cars are the 987.2 Spyder, the GT4 and the Turbo S

 

[spyderwhite]

I had some idiot tailing me around a country lane a few weeks ago a quick dab of the gt4s awesome brakes kept him honest, I think he shat himself and backed off!

Dont get all this knocking the gt4 , if you don't like it sell it, the only thing for me that's wrong with the gt4 is the EPAS plus it needs to be derestricter ie a normal size throttle body of a 3.8 and also I would have prefered passive suspension as not a fan of PASM, but no way is a 991s a better car as said before a 991gts might be its equal but only because of the engine with 430 hp but then it's only worth buying in Pdk as not a fan of the 7 speed manual!

 

[MrDemon]

may we should all visit Manthy and ditch the PASM bollocks, no GT car should have PASM and they have been doing it since the 997.1 GT3's :-(

It's a crap system for any track work imo and the 1st thing any racer or lap time junky should throw away 1st.

GT4 with real shocks did a 7.29 lap of the ring, now I don't see any Astra's getting below 8 minutes !

even the best of the best hot hatch is 7.50 with no seats and big options 3 way Ohlins and cup 2's, way off the GT4 times.

 

[glennwoodhouse]

The GT4 at Blyton recently sounded pretty sweet to me.

But what do i know, it seems i'm running around in a piece of "TAT"!!!!!!

interesting view. oh IMO.

 

[ralphmusic]

may we should all visit Manthy and ditch the PASM ****, no GT car should have PASM and they have been doing it since the 997.1 GT3's

I have a meeting with them next Monday so am interested in their opinions and reasoning.

 

[Steve Brookes]

The GT4 at Blyton recently sounded pretty sweet to me.

But what do i know, it seems i'm running around in a piece of "TAT"!!!!!!

interesting view. oh IMO.

That would have been Ian in a red GT4. He was there yesterday at Donington and yes it sounded fantastic inside when he took me out for laps []

 

[Steve Brookes]

and when worked does more than pop, it gun shots and has none of the fake pops over run bull****

You're not kidding...we all dived for cover when Ian drove into our garage and let one off!

 

[matthewlatter]

[link=http://www.pistonheads.com/news/general-pistonheads/totd-fast-cars-that-arent-any-more/34340]http://www.pistonheads.com/news/general-pistonheads/totd-fast-cars-that-arent-any-more/34340[/link]

This is the same sort of topic and exactly what Im on about.

 

[CarreraGTS]

Guys ... I have said all along i like my GT4, i just don't think its any better than a good 911 - sure the seats are cool and the spoiler etc but its not a 911 and never will be ... thats why they are King! The 911 sound/bark/burble knocks the GT4 hair dryer into a cocked hat - I just cant believe how annoying the car sounds at 30 to 70 Mph in 4/5/6th gear ... Like an electric Lawn mower!

Went out again tonight though to hopefully find its "soul" and actually found a little bit of magic here and there - i am not going to sell as don't want to look like a flipper and haven't seen a GTS that i like yet and if i did would probably buy that as well or go over to Ferrari or Aston for the pure theatre of V12 or V8 ... Andrew

 

[MrDemon]

you have the wrong car ! at 30 to 70 mph I am still in 2nd gear lol not 4th/5th or 6th !!

If I am in 4th at 70mph then I do want it as quite as possible !

the GT4 is louder than the GTS and more true that's been proven !

I cannot even believe what I read some time and will have to post a vid of the GT4 sounds to put this to bed !

 

[flat6]

Turbo's an ok car, but once you get used the speed it's a one trick dull pony sorry to say.

I've have to disagree. I think because it has the most thrust in the catalogue it gets labelled as that is all it can do. But the fact it can do what the GT cars can do and also deliver what they can't, it's not the one that's the one trick pony. I think it comes down to whether you are looking for a drive to be an 'event' and you can add things into the mix that don't necessarily add to the performance, but the driver, depending on his personality, gains a factor of enjoyment from those aspects and for him, that makes the drive an 'event'. Removing driver aids, removing dampening of feedback, using manual transmission. It creates a great package but it depends what gets you going. I can see the argument being put forward on this thread. It's not about whether the 911 is better than a Cayman, but its certainly not worse and depending on how you get your kicks will influence which one you go for. I'd say that if one lets the rear-engined bias of a 911 influence how you take precaution with how you drive it, you wont enjoy it. I enjoyed driving a 4C today but it's no Cayman and I didn't expect to get a Cayman experience from it. But I got in my full fat 911 and was very happy attacking the same country lanes as the professional instructor had pushed me in the 4C. I would even go as far as to say my full fat 911 is better on corner exit than my Boxster Spyder was - less twitchy about the back end stepping out - more sporty in that regard, propelling you out of corners. But that's just my experience.

I've never driven a GT4 so can pass no comment on it, but I can see the argument for getting equal enjoyment out of other models because at the end of the day, it depends on whether you get your kicks from how much you can extract from the car or how much you can extract from yourself. I could pedal my 911 around Evo triangle much quicker than I could my Spyder, not because of the straight line speed between the corners (that too of course), but it just stopped better and exited better. OK, it wasn't a fair fight when considering the size of the stoppers on my 911 and the width of the rear tyres, but it put its hundreds of extra kilograms in check and got on with it.

So, yes definitely go for the right car. None of them are bad, just depends what you're looking to get out of a drive, what you're looking to get out of the car and what you're looking to get out of yourself. The more you're looking to get out of yourself, the more raw a car I think you should go for.

P.S. I am not biased towards my current steed. I do think the Spyder, being the lighter, lower, mid-engined car, had better poise on turn-in and that is an advantage for attacking corners on the way in. With the 911 I find I want to slow the car down a bit more on the way in (but that might be the higher top speed at which I am reaching the corner and I need to scrub off more speed to keep from soiling my pants - but I think it may be more prone to understeer), turn in and be as early as I dare on the throttle on the way out (earlier than the Spyder as it would more have me scared of oversteer from losing the back if still got steering lock on).

 

[flat6]

AP has never said the GT3 is a track car 1st, none of these car are track cars,

We all own road cars,

If you want feel and a manual then the GT4 is king.

As RW said the 3 best Porsche cars are the 987.2 Spyder, the GT4 and the Turbo S

I could agree with that (but haven't driven 2 of them). Feel is a great thing to add into the mix and it does enhance the experience. But you are right to put the Turbo S up there because you could go as fast on the road in a GT3 RS and be more exhilarated, but the conditions have to be dead right whereas in the turbo S the performance is more accessible more of the time and some people value that more. Looking forward to driving a GT4 some day. I doubt anything else could deliver a GT4 experience if that is what you want.

 

[Gazoak]

I was at the RS track day at Oulton Park in March and the exhaust notes of all the GT4's on track were amazing.

 

[CarreraGTS]

Mr D: We all drive our cars at 70 Mph in 4/5/6th gears unless on a track ... The truth is a 911 on tick over and at cruise is a way nicer more soulful noise than the GT4 and also better on over run ... The only time the GT4 sounds anything like a sports car is over 5k revs or on a Track but whats the point in that ... A 911 still sounds better in that environment as well! I am starting to like my GT4 however and do appreciate the incredible turn in and cornering abilities of the car ... just wish it sounded better and was faster 20 to 80 Mph ... My arse was kicked by an Audi S4 on saturday afternoon ;(

 

[stokey]

Very interesting stuff , I guess we all buy cars that appeal to us for different reasons the GT4 no doubt

is a great track day weapon and I presume it's current values reflect that?

But like all GT cars there will always be negatives for use on uk roads, high revs ,ground clearance, tyres

to name just a few.

Having owed several Caymans I can see part of its appeal with its lovely chassis, but remember trying a R

and bieng asked for more money for the privilege of closing the doors with afterthought cloth straps it

was not for me.

love the comments ,"everything is toast". and Anglesey track day at which I was a spectator.

Prehaps the final word on the 991 and paticularly the turbo vs GT cars must go to Evo mag

same time ,same driver, dry track.

[link]https://youtu.be/ONt8wxKHbBI[/link]

 

[MrDemon]

Mr D: We all drive our cars at 70 Mph in 4/5/6th gears unless on a track ... The truth is a 911 on tick over and at cruise is a way nicer more soulful noise than the GT4 and also better on over run ... The only time the GT4 sounds anything like a sports car is over 5k revs or on a Track but whats the point in that ... A 911 still sounds better in that environment as well! I am starting to like my GT4 however and do appreciate the incredible turn in and cornering abilities of the car ... just wish it sounded better and was faster 20 to 80 Mph ... My arse was kicked by an Audi S4 on saturday afternoon ;(

I don't drive my car at 70mph in any of those gears unless on the motor way or stuck. over run is a new chav fake car noise, I hate it.

A GT4 would beat an S4 in the right gear unless it was a tuned one.