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How important is the brand 'Porsche' to you?

For me it wasn't the brand so much as what it stands for. Now, as in 1991 (my S2) that means well conceived designs well executed. Just think about the 944 in its time:
  • A big four made to run as smooth and powerful as a six
  • Perfect weight distibution giving beautifully balanced handling
  • All sorts of clever things such as the heater (now a problem but only because materials technology hadn't kept up with the ideas).
  • Comfort, reliability (it's all relative!)
I certainly wasn't buying into the brand when I started looking at 911s and 944s, but now I've had mine for a while I appreciate its value.

Afraid some may be right about the negative aspects...tell people you have a Porsche and you can see them thinking "rich g*t", then as you say you back pedal and point out it is an old one! In the same vein I've still got this suspicion a BMW would be a great daily driver, just not keen on the baggage!
 
Saw a 944 Lux for sale at a local car dealer i knew well 20 odd years ago and was fascinated with it ! i first saw it in the middle of his showroom polished to perfection and stared at the thing for ages, he saw how interested i was even though he knew i could not buy it and then offered to take me out for a spin.
I was in awe ! at the time i was running about in Escort RS cars and the like.
Yes the badge had a lot to do with it originally but when i finally got one i just appreciated the engineering and looks.
The early 80's and the like ruined the image due to the badge snobbery and the city knobheads, when asked i also say that i have an "old" Porsche.
I am an engineer by trade and appreciate the engineering and feel of the thing, the "I drive a Porsche " thing still exists but most people who own one now are enthusiasts/petrolheads in my opinion.
I will eventually give a 911 shaped Porsche a go sometime but if i time it right will keep the Turbo S also, i seriously considered selling mine again (after buying it back) but i know it would be the wrong thing to do.
I have also had the midlife crisis thing mentioned...........BOLLOCKS........i have always had an interesting car in the garage for the last 20 odd years.it impresses me and if it impresses anyone else then great!
 
I have had many cars over the past sixteen years that I have been driving. Cars that I have driven is anything from a Vauxhall Chevette with holes in the floor to a new Honda Type R. ( 2x Volvo 340, 3x Vauxhall Chevette, 1x MG Metro, 1x Rover 216, 2x Ford Mondeo, 1x MGB GT, 2x Honda Civic Type R, 1x Honda Prelude, 1x Vauxhall Nova, 1x Ford Puma and now 4x Porsche).

I like them because they are pratical, the design of them I think is very 1980's and that they can be serviced be yourself and very reliable and most importantly fun to drive. These cars like the 924 and 944 were designed during recession during the 1970's and early 1980's with fuel economy in mind. Earlier last year I went to the Honda Dealer and almost brought myself a brand new Honda S2000. I'm glad that I didn't now.

I don't have the Porsche because of the snobbery, I used to have that with the MG owners club and soon afterwards sold my MGB. I think that meeting other Porsche owners and going to my local OPC for parts that the people that own and work at the OPC, including working for Porsche are very down to earth people with no snobbery.

I have a Porsche becuase I have always wanted one and I use my 924S as an everyday car. I have had my 924S for a year now with no regrets only happiness and enjoyment. The best purchase I have made for a very long time[:D]
 
I rate the products,they make(they have made) some good stuff.The depreciation on some of the newer cars and the paltry warranty get on my nerves like you wouldn't believe though.Love my 944s so much,cannot wait for the nasty salt to go away[:)].The brand is quite a mainstream premium brand now and is less offensive(not exotic like it once was?) to most people pretty much like BMW or Merc are now they make so many cars?
 
Bought my first 944 for its merits (rwd weight ditsribution galvanised body etc.) and in spite of it being a porsche rather than because of it. However I appreciated the engineering and heritage more once I owned it.
Tony
 
Dis the TVR owners? Don't you know it's rude to mock the afflicted? [:D]

I find this a really difficult question to answer truthfully. My "involvement" with Porsche started when I was about 12. I borrowed (several times) an oversize book from the local library called "Supercars of the Seventies". It was a collection of road test reports from some magazine I would say (though that probably passed me by at the time and I don't know which mag) and I read and re-read it cover to cover. I forget what most of the cars in there were, but the original 911 (930) Turbo struck a chord for some reason. I really, really wanted one. Ironically to this day I have never even driven a 930, but that is by the by.

Throughout my formative years without question I wanted a 911. I wasn't overly hung-up on the Turbo part for some reason; just a 911. Despite buying magazines such as Fast Lane and Performance Car right throughout my teens the 944 passed entirely under my radar. In fact I remember when the 968 CS was launched and Performance Car gushed all over it and alluded to it's 944 origins I had to research what a 944 actually was!

Perhaps I was one of those for whom 911 and Porsche were interchangeable. I remember the 928 but never had much interest in it, and in spite of being somewhat intrigued by all the praise the 968 CS got I was sceptical it was really "all that" (at least I was right about something!)

I bought myself a 911 as a 26th birthday present; a 3.2 Carrera Sport which at the time was less old than any Porsche I have subsequently owned has been. I loved it to bits but my personal circumstances changed such that I was driving the length of the UK roughly one week in 3, racking up miles (and SP30s) and I became worried that I couldn't afford to fix the thing if anything went seriously wrong with it.

I sold it after a smidge under 18 months and a few more months later I bought a 944 Turbo. I had actually been looking for a Lux that I could buy outright (rather than using HP or a loan) and I had gone to see an early oval dash car just within budget. Next to it was a Turbo - both cars in white. The Turbo was on Fuchs and with the 2 noses side by side for comparison I didn't even look at the Lux once I had seen the Turbo. One small loan later I owned it (OK, it was closer to twice my budget). I had bought it because I wanted another Porsche. The short version of the next few months is that it wasn't a 911 and I didn't like it. Practicality meant nothing to me, and although it was considerably faster than the 911 had been it was simply too much like an ordinary car in comparison, so it went.

A little while later (maybe a year) I bought a Carrera 3.0 Targa. I couldn't at the time afford a newer 911, nor a coupe for that matter. It was horrible as it was a Targa (the epitome of the concept that compromise falls between two posts and rather than being all things to all men is not the right thing to any man) and it was older and more used than the previous one had been. Eventually it went having taught me the lesson that having any 911 is not better than having no 911.

Possibly as little as 4 months later I started to hanker after a 944 as this time I was looking for something I could confortably commute in (not something I did when I owned the 3.2 Carrera) and that was a bit more practical (in terms of being relaxing rather than load lugging; driving the 3.2 the length of the country was an exhausting experience). I bought a cheap '89 Turbo from auction unseen that was such a nail it was sold on straight away (for a small profit) and eventually bought a LHD S2 then a year or so later changed it for my current Turbo, and as most of you know supplemented it for periods with an S2 cab, and a 964 Carrera 4.

For me now the Porsche brand is no draw whatsoever. Even if I did once think Porsche and 911 were the same nowadays I don't even think 911 means what it did 15 or 20 years ago. The brand had pedigree once, but now? OK I guess you can't lose pedigree exactly, but it becomes heritage which is great as far as it goes, but hardly as relevant. I say that because, although through the period they were most maligned because of the "red braces" yuppie customer base they produced raw driver's cars they now make a range consisting of a GT, a junior GT, a mid-range roadster and an SUV. What happened to the raw sportscar and the racing pedigree?

These days I'd sell my 944 tomorrow if someone offered me even 15% of what it has cost me. If I keep it and ship it over here it is just a matter of time before it has an American V8 in it - I don't value any "Porscheness" about it at all and in fact I was happy to replace the badge panel so there was no Stuttgart crest on the car any more, and had planned to take the script off the back so it no longer said Porsche on it anywhere.

Today I wonder if I will ever buy another Porsche. I'm not anti the brand, but while I appreciate it has retained its independence I wonder at what cost. Regardless of what people say about the current models to me they are closer to BMWs than Porsches built when it was an iconic brand - maybe that is what people these days want, maybe it's because of legislative changes, regardless for me it is a move in the wrong direction. In the unlikely event I were to buy one made after - ooh, 1992 perhaps - it would most likely be a Cayenne; a model that doesn't pretend to be a sports car. I've tried to like the Boxster and simply can't do it; I found the Cayman frustrating to drive as the chassis is capable of handling sooooo much more than the engine delivers, I consider the 996 & 997 to be milking the cash-cow of the real 911 and while that wouldn't necessaruly stop me from owning one I found the 996 pretty average and therefore in competition with numerous other cars should I want what it has to offer.

Bottom line I guess is that I used to be a fan of the brand. Perhaps I equated it with the 911 (my bad) and perhaps what I was really a fan of was the 911 - in which case I still am as I will always be a fan of the 911 by which I mean the model before other designations such as 997, 996 and even 993 and 964 came into use. I no longer place any value on "Porsche", but Porsche has changed, and that's Porsche's bad.
 
To answer the question, I am embarassed by "the Brand", but I admire the old man - Ferdinand.

I drive a 944 and a 911, 6 months about because I really like the way they drive, and are constructed.

I can avoid depreciation, and silly servicing costs by DIY.

I cringe when going to the OPC for bits, such a vile place.

I am pleasantly surprised, there are a good number of us!

How was I introduced to "Porsche?" - my cousin got me a "spin" in a Porsche - when I was about 11, a 2.7 targa (roof off one sunny day near Newcastle Co.Down). I never forgot the note of it and the way the rev counter was continually swinging up and back. It was driven by one of the Irish rally drivers. Two of us in the front passenger seat, I was in the middle keeping out of the way of the gear lever.
Then I got to know the 911 weak points, (cross winds, locking front wheels, "don't know the road"- unforgiving nature, heater, vandal magnet, but I still love them) and found Porsche had made a car that cured all these issues, and laterly applied their turbo charging knowledge to it - 951.

Great forum, good question, good answers,

by the way I drive an A4 if anyone asks - 105 Tdi.

George
944t
964
 
Hi Oli

My wife bought my 944 for me 8 years ago because I always wanted a Porsche since I was 11, admittedly a 911, but its a Porsche and thats all that matters.

To be honest I am passionate about the marque altogether and always have been I'am one of those sad old gits with the books, clothes, and model cars (and an anorak)[:D]

The 944 is a fantastic car with typical german quality and I'm very glad I ended up owning one,I hope in the next few years to be able to purchase a 911 as a daily driver, the '44 will always be in the garage as my weekend car and will never be sold.

Cheers
Andy
 
I cringe when going to the OPC for bits, such a vile place.

Just to pick you up on a small point...[:)]

There's nothing that annoys me more than specialists and e-bay sellers who simply mark-up OPC parts. I'd always check the OPC price first, factor in the Club discount and then double-check other sources. 9 times out of 10 it's Exeter with the free postage and Club discount that is cheapest. And, in stock.
 
To me the brand and the mythology surrounding it is a negative factor. Just reading threads on PH tells you everything about where the Porsche brand is going, I am sick of reading about irrelevant nonsense like SatNav options, crests on the seats and colour co-ordinated seat belts.

The myth part is a problem because ppl automatically assume that old 80's 911's are dogs and 944's are some audi thing with a VW van engine in it. Strangely the 968 has some cred amongst the uninformed enthusiast but even then ppl don't understand the real deals, a guy at work got really excited when I told him I got a 968 because he thought it was a CS, he then screwed his face up when I told him it wasn't a CS like I had been conned.

Drive a modern pork and ppl think you are somewhat of a berk. This isn't jealousy as many like to believe, I know guys that have spent 20 grand modding jap cars for sprint racing that wouldn't look twice at a Porsche as they see it as something bankers and solicitors buy not real car enthusiasts.
 
To add an antipodean view. Firstly I think that Porsche as a 'Brand' has quite obviously changed and succumbed to Marketing forces. While each car Porsche produces has redeeming features, the Boxter and 996 were in many ways not built in the same way as some of the older versions. The fact that Porsche let the n/a 996 and the Boxter sell with some incredibly poor engine design options goes totally against what the originators of Porsche stood for. Not to say I wouldn't like a Cayman or 997GT3RS in the shed as I most defiinitely would. I digress.

In Australia Porsches are still quite a rarity and the 944 turbo is viewed less often that the Tasmanian Tiger. My guess is in a modern cosmopolitan city like Sydney with over 4 million people, there might be less than 10 of these cars. So having one of these brings a certain joy and moreso, the majority of people just don't know what it is. You do get some of the funniest screwed up faces as you drive by. Sure they think it's Japanese.

Anyway, I still like to romanticise about the brand and within the Marque I like to prove how good our cars are to the doubters and scoffers. It's funny when they see you at the track and pay you no attention. When you're faster than them, they still pay you no attention, but somehow in a different way. I love it. [:)]
 
Nearly 20 years ago I was looking for a performance car, loved the look of the 944 turbo but hated the image that went with the brand, bought a Cosworth instead. I recently bought a turbo because I think it is a great (old) car, it wouldn't have bothered me though if it had an Audi [;)] badge on it, I'm suprised how much attention the car seems to get, though it seems positive whereas I think a late 911 would label me as a merchant banker.
 
If you drive a porsche you must be rich ,least thats what people opinions are when i tell them i have a porsche !!. The brand when i bough mine meant nothing to me as i wanted a toyota supra (h reg) at the time. I was given a lift home in one and straight away i wanted one,this was back in about 1994,i travelled down to sheffield to look at a supra and a 944 was parked next to it and was cheaper albeit a bit older and after driving both i knew the 944 was for me and at the age of 22 the porsche badge appealed to me at the time but now i have a 944T because of the car not the badge. I could afford (well not now) to trade up to a newer car but they just dont appeal to me,if i ever get rid of the 944T it will be to buy a 964 C2 !!!
 
ORIGINAL: pauljmcnulty

I cringe when going to the OPC for bits, such a vile place.

Just to pick you up on a small point...[:)]

There's nothing that annoys me more than specialists and e-bay sellers who simply mark-up OPC parts. I'd always check the OPC price first, factor in the Club discount and then double-check other sources. 9 times out of 10 it's Exeter with the free postage and Club discount that is cheapest. And, in stock.
Worth trying Bert Gear as well, he stocks OEM parts and often cheaper than even Exeter.
 
Funnily enough i ended up buying a Porsche because of that attitude of people! My dad bought a '83 924 back in '85 i think (just after i was born, heh) so i was introduced to the brand from a young age.
A few years a go a friend of mine asked for my opinion on a good cheap track toy - i said you can buy a 924 for less than a £1000, its cheap, RWD and perfectly balanced. He said "urrgh, no im not getting a Porsche, what'l everyone think of me?" After id abused him for several minutes for being a close minded smacktard i went on ebay to show him some examples. Within a few minutes i'd found a pretty good condition 944 S2 about 5 miles from my house ( which i didn't tell him about, hehe) and lost countless nights sleep debating how much of a good idea it was, then i just succumbed, made an offer and have enjoyed myself ever since [:D]

P.s He bought an original Mini in the end, which tbh is quite nice.
 
ORIGINAL: Neil Haughey

Drive a modern pork and ppl think you are somewhat of a berk. This isn't jealousy as many like to believe,
Interesting observation Neil, so if that's what it's not (which I agree with) what is it then? Does it apply to other manufacturers or just Porsche? And who are these ppl? Do I catch the whiff of a little inverse snobbery here? I certainly didn't buy mine to make ppl jealous and whatever they want to spend their hard-earned on is fine by me[:)] I tend to think "Judge not lest ye be judged" is a fairly healthy motto.
Cheers
Somewhat of a Berk[:(]
 
We got into Porsches when appleton.n grew too tall to sit in the back of our second car(then),an MGB GT with the rear seat squab removed,& replaced with a car rug.Having rebuilt 2 MG's by then,we were looking for the ability to sit 2 children in the back,good performance,low running costs,minimal rusting & sensible purchase cost, & the ability to look after it myself.A 924 Lux fitted the bill to be replaced by the 924S in 1991 which had had 1 owner with 36k miles & was (& still is ) like new.appleton.n was actually responsible for spotting the S at a dealers in Bolton.
I had read Motorsport since DSJ waxed lyrical about Porsches & his 356 from the mid 50's and have always been a car nut but could have never afforded a Porsche earlier on & still wouldn't spend the money on a new car,but secondhand as a restricted mileage 2nd car(or 3rd) in the case of the 964,they make eminent sense(as intro).Yes ,they do have some cachet,but they also do what it says on the tin & whilst my wife ultimately wanted to have a 911,it is to the 924S that she always returns to.(normally because the fuel tank is empty in the 964[:D]) & she wouldn't part with it.
 
I rate the products,they make(they have made) some good stuff.The depreciation on some of the newer cars and the paltry warranty get on my nerves like you wouldn't believe though.Love my 944s so much,cannot wait for the nasty salt to go away[:)].The brand is quite a mainstream premium brand now and is less offensive(not exotic like it once was?) to most people pretty much like BMW or Merc are now they make so many cars?

I saw the Silver 930 on the cover of Motor magazine in 1976 IIRC, it was a rear 3/4 view and highlighted the flared rear arch and what became known as the `whale tail` spoiler. I then followed Porsche at the 6 hr (later 1000km) endurance races and of course Le Mans for many years.

I always wanted a 911 however when I went to buy one I sat in it and the offset driving style on RHD (LHD is perfect) and the fact that (as in the 944) it looked as if the dial and switch installers sneezed when they fitted them. Why is the clock opposite the passenger??? Why is the temp gauge hidden behind the steering wheel but the fuel gauge is easily seen?? I was put off forever even when I test drove a few, the 911 was interesting but for me personally was nothing really special so I went into full blown sensory enhancement (open top kit cars).

When I nearly killed myself in a Ginetta 27 (rolled it) I decided to look for a fast tin top as I`d lost a bit of nerve, perhaps understandably, and wanted something the wife and I could both enjoy and benefit from. Nothing fitted the bill. I tried a couple of 911`s but still wasnt convinced until I tried numerous 951`s and bought the one I have today with a view to tracking it.

I like working on my cars (its really part of the experience and my main hobby) but find the 951 awkward and in particular without a two or four poster is a real PITA to hoist up and work under (before anyone disagrees - oh yes it is) so couldnt be *rsed and have forked out at JZ Auto 2000 and Promax, all very good at what they do but it costs.

I tried tracking the car and the 18 year old Mo30 was dreadful (many modern cars corner just as well) so having driven Fen`s car (thanks fen) I fitted KWV3 and W/M ARB`s - a complete transformation and have tracked it a few times since however I have lost the urge to drive regularly in anger what (to me) is a somewhat ponderously heavy car however I cannot bring myself to strip it out - hence I now have other projects in mind. It now resides in great nick in my garage and only comes out on high days and holidays but I do like it and couldnt sell it (at the moment anyway) as nothing else quite floats my boat.

The 951 is probably one of the best cross country cars in existence (of its day) but for me the thrill of point and squirt light cars that are easily worked on, easily stripped down, easily upgraded with lots of power (kit or otherwise) is a better draw hence my interests and direction are currently slightly off tangent with Porsche ownership. Peter Empson- I certainly want to bag a ride in yours when its finished, you should find an amazing transition from competent to super sharp.

On a marque note I do see the accountants hand in Porsche over the last few years with more cars available and a certain blandness in the base models. It is privateers that have maintained the Porsche racing heritage over the last decade so I see Porsche as a historic racing `marque` rather than the driveway prosperity symbol they tend to be today.

On a slightly different note, this is one of the best car forums on the `net.
 
Oli

I bought my 944 BECAUSE its a Porsche - having read all 37 of the responses so far that doesn't follow the trend!

I can't remember if I told you the story - I was on ebay supposedly buying some portable DVD players for the kids to use in the people carrier. I succumbed to the ebay cars advert (never even looked at ebay cars before) and when asked "what car would sir like" (or something like that) I typed in Porsche.

Thats a brand thing, wanted one (911, I grant you) since I was given a Porsche branded cufflink box 20 years ago - long convoluted story.

The top line of the list was less than 5 miles from home (round the corner in fact) - and a Porsche for £770. The wife obviously said "no" - but she said no in a way which I really felt she meant "yes". So, but a few hours later, unseen, knowing nothing about 944s, nothing really about Porsches and in fact (as you know) nothing really about cars! I bought LIL. £820.

Fan-blinking- tastic. So the sills cost £1,000 to fix (as per the strap line below, Mrs D will always believe it was way too expensive at £400) and I've got a list of 28 things to fix - in fact I should add another, the drainage hose in the boot which we re-connected is blocked and the side compartment now fills with water!!.- but thats the charm of it.

So was that Brand or Serendipty - or both...

I too have the slightly embarrassed "I've got a Porsche" moments, so quickly follow it up with the "it cost me £820" line. But I don't think I'm embarrassed by the brand, I just don't want anyone to have the impression I bragging about a GT3.... I'm genuinely proud to have a 23 year old motoring classic - an indulgance I can afford and that makes me smile, everyday - and part of that is because its a Porsche...

Would I buy another one? Too bl00dy right....

 

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