You are spending alot of money on your car, it makes sense to do it right, first time. I have an S2 with KW I would not have dreamed of trying to skip the re-indexing process. All people on here are doing is trying to save you time and money, as well as getting the best out of your suspension.
KW v.3's on an S.2........
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You are spending alot of money on your car, it makes sense to do it right, first time. I have an S2 with KW I would not have dreamed of trying to skip the re-indexing process. All people on here are doing is trying to save you time and money, as well as getting the best out of your suspension.
ronald smith
New member
Hi Richard,
I am just checking with George to see if he re- indexed or not will let you know.
A couple of hundred miles on i am still delighted with the difference.
Cheers Ron
I am just checking with George to see if he re- indexed or not will let you know.
A couple of hundred miles on i am still delighted with the difference.
Cheers Ron
Neil Haughey
New member
Well the best thing is to use a hole saw and cut 2 holes in your rear arches then you don't need to drop it at all.
ronald smith
New member
Yes Dave- here we go again.
You accused me of being a cheapskate for not re-indexing.
The facts were that I asked the question several times of
people I trust R.P.M. and other Porsche club members they agreed
that if if i didnt want a track car it could be done without. I would have been happy to have car indexed if necessary- it wasnt about cost. They have seen my car- you Havent.
I can say that I am delighted with the change from good M.O.30 not
tired nearly 20year old suspension.
Hi Richard- have contacted George and he confirms he did not re-index
I am sure you will be pleased with the result.
Cheers Ron
You accused me of being a cheapskate for not re-indexing.
The facts were that I asked the question several times of
people I trust R.P.M. and other Porsche club members they agreed
that if if i didnt want a track car it could be done without. I would have been happy to have car indexed if necessary- it wasnt about cost. They have seen my car- you Havent.
I can say that I am delighted with the change from good M.O.30 not
tired nearly 20year old suspension.
Hi Richard- have contacted George and he confirms he did not re-index
I am sure you will be pleased with the result.
Cheers Ron
bennyboy
New member
...I reckon so Pete, 'cos mine has not been reindexed and judging by the posts in here http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=451861&mpage=2 mine is pretty low. Having said that, Paul's on standard M030 is some 3cm and 1.5 cm higher, front and back respectively, but I do know mine is on the lowest setting on the eccentrics (spelling?)?
Big Dave
New member
Ron.
Im not acusing you of being a "cheapskate"...
I was just trying to make a point, that if the car is to be used to its full potential, ie road / track, + the suspension to work to the full/correctly,,,then the lowering is needed.
If your spending the best part of £1400 on a new set of kit, then why not do it properly + spend a bit more on the lowering....
Then again,,, If all you want to do is drive around the roads of the UK then fine.
Me ide rather drive the cars to the full ,,on track, + not be contstantly looking out for the "plod" .....As to use these cars nowadays, properly , on the road,,makes us "undesirables + hooligans"...
BUT i still believe that the best way to get the S2/turbo to drive correctly is to lower the rear , on the bars rather than just the excentrics...
One makes ones bed + one lies in it...[
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Pete, actually i think the 968 M030 cars were indexed lower from factory, but they actually sit higher than most, as the rear coil springs make them sit higher. Just take look at this car. FULL M030 car... It looks high to me...
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/931103.htm
As far as im aware the M030 turbo,s didnt have the coil springs on the rear, so ide presumme they were the same as "normal" turbos...
Im not acusing you of being a "cheapskate"...
I was just trying to make a point, that if the car is to be used to its full potential, ie road / track, + the suspension to work to the full/correctly,,,then the lowering is needed.
If your spending the best part of £1400 on a new set of kit, then why not do it properly + spend a bit more on the lowering....
Then again,,, If all you want to do is drive around the roads of the UK then fine.
Me ide rather drive the cars to the full ,,on track, + not be contstantly looking out for the "plod" .....As to use these cars nowadays, properly , on the road,,makes us "undesirables + hooligans"...
BUT i still believe that the best way to get the S2/turbo to drive correctly is to lower the rear , on the bars rather than just the excentrics...
One makes ones bed + one lies in it...[
][][][][][] Pete, actually i think the 968 M030 cars were indexed lower from factory, but they actually sit higher than most, as the rear coil springs make them sit higher. Just take look at this car. FULL M030 car... It looks high to me...
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/931103.htm
As far as im aware the M030 turbo,s didnt have the coil springs on the rear, so ide presumme they were the same as "normal" turbos...
sawood12
New member
M030 cars were lower all round than stock. Not sure they were 're-indexed' on the production line rather than indexed differently if the option was installed at the factory. Would be interesting to know if you retrofitted M030 at the dealership if they would have re-indexed or not.
I guess if you can get away without re-indexing then I can't see any real detrimental effect to the performance of the car. My only reservation would be is that the eccentric was intended to be for fine adjustment of ride height on the prod line so were probably never intended to be used over their full range of movement, so if you've got the eccentrics adjusted to almost to the end of their range of adjustment are you doing anything detrimental to the geometry of the rear suspension - like you are when you lower the front for example. Anyway - plenty of happy customers who can't detect anything detrimental to the handling so all seems fine and dandy.
I guess if you can get away without re-indexing then I can't see any real detrimental effect to the performance of the car. My only reservation would be is that the eccentric was intended to be for fine adjustment of ride height on the prod line so were probably never intended to be used over their full range of movement, so if you've got the eccentrics adjusted to almost to the end of their range of adjustment are you doing anything detrimental to the geometry of the rear suspension - like you are when you lower the front for example. Anyway - plenty of happy customers who can't detect anything detrimental to the handling so all seems fine and dandy.
Neil Haughey
New member
Scott I think the issue is more to do with spring adjustment. IMHO given the big overall increase in spring rate the only way I can see how you can fit these systems without re-indexing is to setup such that the main spring doesn't come into effect when the suspension is compressed to its natural position. The danger then is that it might actually be still on the mega soft helper and as such is really only marginally stiffer then stock suspension until it compresses enough to bind up the helper spring. Even the soft helper will raise the car so the minimum is eccentric adjustment. TBH I would rather re-index then muck about with the spring plate anyway, its not that difficult.
I think I would ring KW and ask them directly they have always been very helpful when I have spoken to them.
http://www.kwsuspensions.de/uk/index.php
http://www.kwsuspensions.de/uk/index.php
wolfie308
New member
Peter,
I did just that and they referred me to http://www.ninemeister.com/, where I spoke to a very knowledgeable sounding chap called Robin Taylor. He advised not to bother re indexing for road use only as it was an arse of a job and may well result new brake/fuel pipes etc. and could easily end up costing another grand. Obviously I won't have the same potential for overall lowering, but the car should certainly sit lower than at present.
As he rightly pointed out, if I'm not happy with it after a few months or so, I can always decide to have it done, and wouldn't cost any more than having it done when fitting the KW's. As they don't re index as standard, I think I'll take a punt and see how it feels after they're fitted and take it from there.
I did just that and they referred me to http://www.ninemeister.com/, where I spoke to a very knowledgeable sounding chap called Robin Taylor. He advised not to bother re indexing for road use only as it was an arse of a job and may well result new brake/fuel pipes etc. and could easily end up costing another grand. Obviously I won't have the same potential for overall lowering, but the car should certainly sit lower than at present.
As he rightly pointed out, if I'm not happy with it after a few months or so, I can always decide to have it done, and wouldn't cost any more than having it done when fitting the KW's. As they don't re index as standard, I think I'll take a punt and see how it feels after they're fitted and take it from there.
ronald smith
New member
Hi Lali,
I was very impressed with Steve 944T's cars handling- on some passsenger laps at Silverstone.
The concensus on this forum was that for road/track the KW3 was the best option- although i may not
track it seriously- ive had acouple of laps at Le mans and wouldnt mind a few laps of the ring.
So i went with that option, plus if I were to sell the car it gives a new owner the chance to just re-index
if they wish to track it more.
As Wolfie 308 says if it hadnt worked without re-indexing its still only the same job to reindex- so if I need
a clutch and fuel/ brake lines etc I can still haveit done. However my feeling after5-600 miles is that i dont
need to- I may be wrong- wouldnt be a first.
Cheers
Ron
I was very impressed with Steve 944T's cars handling- on some passsenger laps at Silverstone.
The concensus on this forum was that for road/track the KW3 was the best option- although i may not
track it seriously- ive had acouple of laps at Le mans and wouldnt mind a few laps of the ring.
So i went with that option, plus if I were to sell the car it gives a new owner the chance to just re-index
if they wish to track it more.
As Wolfie 308 says if it hadnt worked without re-indexing its still only the same job to reindex- so if I need
a clutch and fuel/ brake lines etc I can still haveit done. However my feeling after5-600 miles is that i dont
need to- I may be wrong- wouldnt be a first.
Cheers
Ron
sawood12
New member
Well when I was considering which route to go my research at the time told me that V3's were only available for the 944/968 (apart from the custom race setup). KW's are the best compromise.
And this is good advice? Surely if your brake and fuel lines need replacing then you're better of doing it rather than sticking your head in the sand?
And this is good advice? Surely if your brake and fuel lines need replacing then you're better of doing it rather than sticking your head in the sand?
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