LIL has full boost and full revs
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DivineE
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I'm watching this very closely as I would like a 6 speed gearbox. Does anyone know of any aftermarket gearbox manufacturers who produce gearboxes to fit the 944? I would love a sequential 6 speed box if money was no object but I will have to find a realistic compromise somewhere!
Ben
Ben
Big Dave
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Ive actually looked into getting a 6 speed for my S2..
BUT
find i dont need it..
I have yet to find the need for the extra ratio,, on track.
Also whilst using the S2 this year,, most of the time i was "playing / racing" with a 968, [ a m8,s car ] We compared what gears we were using in different corners + the conclusion was the 5 speed was the best...I had less gear changes to do + was in the correct rev range for the usable power , ie not redlining the car OR bogging it down...
So im sticking to a 5 speeder...With LSD of course...[
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Just my 2pth...
BUT
find i dont need it..
I have yet to find the need for the extra ratio,, on track.
Also whilst using the S2 this year,, most of the time i was "playing / racing" with a 968, [ a m8,s car ] We compared what gears we were using in different corners + the conclusion was the 5 speed was the best...I had less gear changes to do + was in the correct rev range for the usable power , ie not redlining the car OR bogging it down...
So im sticking to a 5 speeder...With LSD of course...[
][]Just my 2pth...
sawood12
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The point about using a 968 gearbox was that it is much stronger than the 944 box not necessarily that it has an extra gear. In Pauls case with all that torque and possibly more to come it might be a worthwhile upgrage if the 944 box proves not to be man enough for the job at hand. If he was to find a Torsen box then he would also get much much better traction too.
Peter Empson
PCGB Member
I'm also led to believe the 968 box is at least 15kg heavier than the 5 speed.
A slightly useless fact when you've got so much torque at your disposal, but you'd have been disapointed if I didn't mention it
A slightly useless fact when you've got so much torque at your disposal, but you'd have been disapointed if I didn't mention it
TTM
Well-known member
Dave W. makes a good point.
I'd tend to think one of the side benefits of having much torque at disposal is actually being able not to need an extra gear or shorter gear ratios.
With a 6 speed you may well end up driving with your left hand constantly on the shift knob (one of the reasons I personally do not like 968s).
I'd tend to think one of the side benefits of having much torque at disposal is actually being able not to need an extra gear or shorter gear ratios.
With a 6 speed you may well end up driving with your left hand constantly on the shift knob (one of the reasons I personally do not like 968s).
Yes but remember Dave's S2 has a shorter crown wheel and pinion which gives him quite a different rev band. Very useful on a N/A car but funnily enough I've just installed one into my 951 box for the same reasons. I have found on our tracks that the standard 5 speed turbo 'box leaves you not quite in the right gear on many corners so I will sacrifice top end cruising revs for on track blitzkreig with the extra accelleration of this and the 80%lsd being installed too! Sorry for the 'look what I've got post' but my car has been off the road for 2 months and looks like another 1.5 to go waiting on parts and installation. It helps to write about it for therapy. lol
My friend who has put the 6 speed into his 951 loves it. Says the changes feel much better but he's not quite as aggressive on the track.
My friend who has put the 6 speed into his 951 loves it. Says the changes feel much better but he's not quite as aggressive on the track.
MarkK
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I always remember the turbo 5 speed box being described as having toughened internals,the six speed had lots of problems due to improper assembly at the factory,lots of them(968 boxes) were very noisy very early,americans were not happy at the time.I like the long gears on the turbo box,although i have tried to put it in an imaginary sixth gear before[]!
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Indi9xx
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ORIGINAL: MarkK
i have tried to put it in an imaginary sixth gear before[
Its funny you should say that... On our first outings in LIL, both Paul and I both tried to find a non existing 6th gear due to the effortless torque making you feel that changing up gear would be appropriate, especially when your trying to run her in and want to keep the rpm down.
I dont personally think that a 968 gearbox is the answer though... I believe that if your careful and respect the standard box, and if its in good condition to begin with, And dont have a turbo that comes on and off boost like a sledge hammer (LIL does not feel like that) then I suspect that the 944 turbo S LSD will be stong enough to cope with even LIL.
For getting a higher top speed (if your mad enough to want to break 200 mph and had enough power to do so) I would recommend using some 18 inch wheels, but not dropping the profile as much as you usually would when stepping up the wheel size. Off the top of my head (someone will calculate it) I suspect a 10% larger rolling radius due to not so much of a tyre side profile drop, with possibly a tad higher rev limit, would supply enough of a step up in gearing to propel the car through 200 MPH or at least very close to it.
The problem is... I would advise a very long road, without ANY traffic, thats blooming wide and someone who does not care for their own safety to do so...
At even 180 a car will travel a mile every 15 seconds (off the top of my head again).. at 200 mph, I think it would be something like every 10 or 11 seconds to cover a mile... at that speed things get a bit hectic to say the least..
I know what 185 mph feels like when driving and personally I find every 5mph over 150 mph feels exponentially faster than the previous.. by the time you get to 185 you can no longer focus anywhere in the short range without becoming really disorientated, so if your eyes are not on the horizon your brain can really begin to freak out... Then again, about 100 years ago, the general public used to feel that way about 30mph... half expecting to turn into a human fireball if they went faster than that.
Indi9xx
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Just out of interest... and slightly off topic...
Has anyone seen on youtube or googlevideo if there is the topsecret nissan skyline (or was it supra) trying a 200mph run on the M1 in the middle of the night?
If anyone can find it... its quite amusing.. especially the flock of Police T5's on the last run just before the boss of topsecret was asked to go back home to Japan by the authorities!
Sorry for the OT post
Has anyone seen on youtube or googlevideo if there is the topsecret nissan skyline (or was it supra) trying a 200mph run on the M1 in the middle of the night?
If anyone can find it... its quite amusing.. especially the flock of Police T5's on the last run just before the boss of topsecret was asked to go back home to Japan by the authorities!
Sorry for the OT post
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Indi9xx
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Ok, ok Jim... I screwed up!
I made the mistake of....
60mph is a mile every 60 seconds.
so... twice the speed, 120mph, would be half the time, 30 seconds...
Then the fatal flaw.. taking the next leap to 180, I halved the amount of time again to get 15 seconds.... So my on the fly guess was well off!
Still.... at 18 seconds to cover a mile.... its still a bit hectic to be safe at low altitude..
I made the mistake of....
60mph is a mile every 60 seconds.
so... twice the speed, 120mph, would be half the time, 30 seconds...
Then the fatal flaw.. taking the next leap to 180, I halved the amount of time again to get 15 seconds.... So my on the fly guess was well off!
Still.... at 18 seconds to cover a mile.... its still a bit hectic to be safe at low altitude..
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