Looking to buy a mint 951 turbo s
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Well my '86 Turbo had signs of having touch parked at high speed right enough. I had wondered if it came with ABS (some gubbins is behind the driver's side liner I believe?) or just with later cars as a noise/corrosion suppressant but it might be accident damage repair on the cheap.
Hilux
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Apologies Steve, its a great spec, its outside my budget as I`ve just explained by e-mail.
Sorry but I`ve been up and down bloody motorways looking at some nice cars, some priced way too high for the condition (service history is not everything IMO) and some that were described as immaculate cars with no issues (there are a lot of people wearing rose tinted glasses out there) also priced way too high.
I`ve gone the other route. I was after a `mint` one but having seen ones described as `mint` for 9 - 10K which clearly werent. Having seen some 15 cars, I can now see why someone would have to pay 12K plus
FWIW.......... I`ve gone down the other route ie: older car, top notch paint/condition (apart from two seat tears) 87 chassis no (but registered in late 88) 944 turbo, higher miles than I wanted but I`m heartened by some of the mileages on this forum, it has been clearly serviced and looked after by enthusiasts and wanted for nothing, its mildly upgraded with a dyno sheet showing (allegedly) 245 bhp 247 lb ft, turbo lag thingy adjuster, diff cooler fitted, fully adj M030 suspension and arb`s rebuildable koni`s, bigger discs, 928 brakes on front, wider turbo s wheels (not silver rose though), cup mirrors etc etc but no sunroof (ho hum) and the a/c doesnt work (as usual) which leaves me with plenty of cash to play around with it []
It also means that I can enjoy it and still save/look for the `right` Turbo S in (sorry but I like it) RED
Picking it up next weekend []
Cant wait
Oh yes I nearly forgot, its got a burgundy interior (not silver rose) AND its got wheel arch protectors[]
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Apologies Steve, its a great spec, its outside my budget as I`ve just explained by e-mail.
Sorry but I`ve been up and down bloody motorways looking at some nice cars, some priced way too high for the condition (service history is not everything IMO) and some that were described as immaculate cars with no issues (there are a lot of people wearing rose tinted glasses out there) also priced way too high.
I`ve gone the other route. I was after a `mint` one but having seen ones described as `mint` for 9 - 10K which clearly werent. Having seen some 15 cars, I can now see why someone would have to pay 12K plus
FWIW.......... I`ve gone down the other route ie: older car, top notch paint/condition (apart from two seat tears) 87 chassis no (but registered in late 88) 944 turbo, higher miles than I wanted but I`m heartened by some of the mileages on this forum, it has been clearly serviced and looked after by enthusiasts and wanted for nothing, its mildly upgraded with a dyno sheet showing (allegedly) 245 bhp 247 lb ft, turbo lag thingy adjuster, diff cooler fitted, fully adj M030 suspension and arb`s rebuildable koni`s, bigger discs, 928 brakes on front, wider turbo s wheels (not silver rose though), cup mirrors etc etc but no sunroof (ho hum) and the a/c doesnt work (as usual) which leaves me with plenty of cash to play around with it [
]It also means that I can enjoy it and still save/look for the `right` Turbo S in (sorry but I like it) RED
Picking it up next weekend [
]Cant wait
Oh yes I nearly forgot, its got a burgundy interior (not silver rose) AND its got wheel arch protectors[
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Diver944
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Congratulations Paul, make sure to post plenty of pics when you've collected it.
Its sounds an interesting car:-
an '87 220 bhp model but with M030 and the bigger brakes
no sunroof
burgundy interior
Its almost as if it was going to be a Silver Rose S but then they changed their mind, sprayed it red and used the smaller 220bhp turbocharger
Its sounds an interesting car:-
an '87 220 bhp model but with M030 and the bigger brakes
no sunroof
burgundy interior
Its almost as if it was going to be a Silver Rose S but then they changed their mind, sprayed it red and used the smaller 220bhp turbocharger
Hilux
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It is definitely not a 95 chassis, its a 94 but registered in Nov 1988. It went to america in R/H drive (I can see now why an US based a/c`d car would not have a sunroof spec`d) and was serviced by Porsche dealers and returned to UK having done 19,000 miles.
It was classed as gold on the original documentation but has since had a professional respray by a former owner and is now a beautiful modern? silver.
The burgundy interior has `striped` (not plaid) upholstered inserts and the 10 speaker system?? It certainly has speakers in the doors.
If it werent for the wheels (not correct silver rose thin spoke type) and the gold designation, with its spec I would have thought it an early silver rose although in the engine bay it looks gold on the inner wings but on the scuttle under the bonnet it is definitely silver rose (to me anyway) its all very close matching so hard to tell.
I need a few experts to crawl all over it. Can you get the original spec from Porsche if you provide them with the chassis/engine no etc?
It had a new turbo about 3 years ago, receipt states KKK, would a larger turbo be the only reason that it has better power characteristics?
I`m still nervous about it cos its been `got at` but the price refects that IMO but in its favour its provenance suggests that it has never wanted for anything with thousands spent year on year.........we`ll soon find out.
PS: the previous owner is a fantastically nice bloke, I gave him a very small deposit and he let me take all the paperwork away (not the V5 of course) to study and ask all the old garages any questions etc
It was classed as gold on the original documentation but has since had a professional respray by a former owner and is now a beautiful modern? silver.
The burgundy interior has `striped` (not plaid) upholstered inserts and the 10 speaker system?? It certainly has speakers in the doors.
If it werent for the wheels (not correct silver rose thin spoke type) and the gold designation, with its spec I would have thought it an early silver rose although in the engine bay it looks gold on the inner wings but on the scuttle under the bonnet it is definitely silver rose (to me anyway) its all very close matching so hard to tell.
I need a few experts to crawl all over it. Can you get the original spec from Porsche if you provide them with the chassis/engine no etc?
It had a new turbo about 3 years ago, receipt states KKK, would a larger turbo be the only reason that it has better power characteristics?
I`m still nervous about it cos its been `got at` but the price refects that IMO but in its favour its provenance suggests that it has never wanted for anything with thousands spent year on year.........we`ll soon find out.
PS: the previous owner is a fantastically nice bloke, I gave him a very small deposit and he let me take all the paperwork away (not the V5 of course) to study and ask all the old garages any questions etc
That's an unusual car then!
No sunroof is a good thing in my opinion, and if you had a genuine Silver Rose then you'd not have a sunroof. Striped interior sounds like pinstripe (is it velour?) which was probably more common than the "studio" plaid based on my experience.
There is every chance a silver rose might be classed as gold on documentation. The colour is very odd, described as silver with a hint of pink but to my eyes it just looks like a dirty silver (many years ago I wanted one myself until I saw one in the metal then I didn't like it). That said around that time I think linen was a colour option and it is a champagne gold colour. It's odd that the inner wings are gold but the scuttle silver, I'd have to see that to decide how big a problem it would be for me. In general a colour change is not a good thing (nor is some time spent overseas) but if the car is straight and had a good recent history covering recent mileage as well as years then there is no reason it can't be a good one and it sounds like it was priced accordingly.
Porsche can tell you much of the spec from the chassis number. There is also an options list paper sticker on the inside of the back panel and replicated on the inside cover of the service book. That will have the colour codes for interior and exterior and also a 3 digit option code for everything fitted to the car (even standard UK spec stuff in some cases) a decoder is here but there are others out there too and none is totally comprehensive.
All Turbos were KKK. Early cars had a K26/6 and later a K26/8 IIRC. You say it has the gearbox oil cooler so I'm guessing it has the LSD to go with it? 928 brakes could be the same as the 250 Turbo or bigger yet, depending which 928 they came from, but in any case if it has the LSD then it sounds like it's pretty close to 250 spec. It might be missing the bigger torque tube and driveshafts of the later cars and have the slightly smaller Turbo, but not much else.
Sounds like a good car to buy if you intend to use it and track it - one that's got the tight bits and has been maintained but that you aren't going to have to take an overdose if it gets a stonechip or clocks up another 10k miles. It might cost you a bit to get the air con going again I expect, if it's had R134a put in it at any time at least. I say this only as an offer of help (really!): I have the complete system coming off my car very soon; the receiver/drier will be knackered through the gas hacing leached out over time but it worked 3 years ago when it was last used so the compressor, condenser etc. should all be good and it's only ever had R12 in it.
No sunroof is a good thing in my opinion, and if you had a genuine Silver Rose then you'd not have a sunroof. Striped interior sounds like pinstripe (is it velour?) which was probably more common than the "studio" plaid based on my experience.
There is every chance a silver rose might be classed as gold on documentation. The colour is very odd, described as silver with a hint of pink but to my eyes it just looks like a dirty silver (many years ago I wanted one myself until I saw one in the metal then I didn't like it). That said around that time I think linen was a colour option and it is a champagne gold colour. It's odd that the inner wings are gold but the scuttle silver, I'd have to see that to decide how big a problem it would be for me. In general a colour change is not a good thing (nor is some time spent overseas) but if the car is straight and had a good recent history covering recent mileage as well as years then there is no reason it can't be a good one and it sounds like it was priced accordingly.
Porsche can tell you much of the spec from the chassis number. There is also an options list paper sticker on the inside of the back panel and replicated on the inside cover of the service book. That will have the colour codes for interior and exterior and also a 3 digit option code for everything fitted to the car (even standard UK spec stuff in some cases) a decoder is here but there are others out there too and none is totally comprehensive.
All Turbos were KKK. Early cars had a K26/6 and later a K26/8 IIRC. You say it has the gearbox oil cooler so I'm guessing it has the LSD to go with it? 928 brakes could be the same as the 250 Turbo or bigger yet, depending which 928 they came from, but in any case if it has the LSD then it sounds like it's pretty close to 250 spec. It might be missing the bigger torque tube and driveshafts of the later cars and have the slightly smaller Turbo, but not much else.
Sounds like a good car to buy if you intend to use it and track it - one that's got the tight bits and has been maintained but that you aren't going to have to take an overdose if it gets a stonechip or clocks up another 10k miles. It might cost you a bit to get the air con going again I expect, if it's had R134a put in it at any time at least. I say this only as an offer of help (really!): I have the complete system coming off my car very soon; the receiver/drier will be knackered through the gas hacing leached out over time but it worked 3 years ago when it was last used so the compressor, condenser etc. should all be good and it's only ever had R12 in it.
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