Mint 944 Turbo value?

[Suffolk944]

Those RPM cars do look the business, not sure I would want to pay any more than their asking prices for any 944 in the present market no matter how good tbh just cant see £13-14K being realistic. As with many older cars there are cheap good 'uns and expensive sheds and vice versa of course. As EDH said , I bought Dave Mallings car and while not mint its a very good well cared for late model which I got for just under the £8k mark. It has a few minor bits and bobs that need sorting and am happy with that. Is a mint car (assuming you can find one that truly is) worth for or five grand more ? Personally not to me but guess somethings worth whatever someones willing to pay for it. Can't be many true minters around unless they have been restored or hardly ever used (and maybe storing up problems because of that). For me, I would rather have a well maintained car that may have a few battle scars but which has been used as intended out on the open road.

 

[pauly]

I've been down this road, had some good honest advice and some snotty comments along the way, my opinion is value is a matter of opinion, the guy's that's selling and the guy that's buying, if you both agree that's all that matters whether it's £2k or £10k. I,m tempted to push my self imposed 944T budget and go and see the RPM road car, it's only the fact that reasonable 968s start at the same money that's stopping me.

 

[944Turbo]

SimonP's is probably better than new in many areas, though obviously certain components are used. If it was new it would be £40K + so at £20k its a bargain, no one is going to spend that on purchasing a 944 though - dont know what rwd new car they would buy instead though, probably a couple year old BM. Trouble with mint ones though is they are too nice to use, and really it is a car for using. It somehow seems wrong to use an as new 20 year old car in the same way as a new one. 968's might be newer but will be slower than a lighlty modded turbo most CS's dont have an LSD, konis or the bigger brakes either, EVO listed the 968CS as heavier than the S2 as well. Some prefer the looks of the later car. 968 Turbo has similar performance to a lightly modded 44turbo but they are much bigger money - the rarity factor comes in and IIRC they were close to £75k new. Good ones sometimes come up cheap, but luck and lots of searching is required Tony

 

[Fen]

ORIGINAL: pauly ...I,m tempted to push my self imposed 944T budget and go and see the RPM road car, it's only the fact that reasonable 968s start at the same money that's stopping me.

You are implying that the 968 is a better car. It isn't; it is a different car. If you want to compare the 968 with a 944 the compare it with the S2 are they are virtually the same. The 944T is a totally different animal. If you have driven both models, or even if you know what you want to do with the car, it should be easy to decide which is right for you. It's no more logical to consider the 968 as an alternative to the 944T as a diesel of some sort if what's under the bonnet of a sports coupe is that unimportant. They may have similar one paper power outputs, but they are anything but similar. Add to that that you'd get an average 968 for nice 944T money and there is no sense in it. Basically if you want a car to run standard buy an S2 as they are much nicer. If you want a 968, buy an S2 for half the money and refresh the worn bits; it'll be a better example of a very similar car in the end. If on the other hand you want a car to modify then buy a 250 Turbo as straight out of the box it has a lot of bits you'll spend money on adding to a lesser model and it will actually respond to engine tuning unlike the NA cars. In terms of value there is no such thing as a cheap Porsche. Buy a scruffy Turbo for £5k and throw another £5k at it and I bet you'll still be nowhere near what you could have bought by spending £10k wisely in the first place, and you'll struggle to get the same for it at resale as the nicer one could achieve - these things have an incredible appetite for money when they have things wrong with them (especially corrosion or interior trim defects) and as others have said many times spares for 20 year old Porsches still cost new Porsche spares money.

 

[MarkK]

If i were starting out again now and looking for my first turbo i would not hesitate to buy "an over the odds" low mileage minter,the parts are less worn all over the car, if it is 3-4k more to buy that is soon spent over 3 years,clutch,cv joints,gearboxes get noisier need rebuilding,heads need rebuilding,on a super mint car like the white one at 13k jobs like that won't need doing for ages and i reckon providing the milage is kept sensible they hold their money even if they take a bit longer to sell because there is always someone out there that wants the best one available,storage on these cars i don't think is a problem due to there build quality,if they have been stored somewhere nice and dry and pampered not a problem in my book,and they look all fresh outside and in i.e without the need for blow overs and tarting,like my 90 black turbo needs[]to do a paint of the lower usual suspect areas is at least 2k.....if i could wind back the clock i would wait,sit tight,and buy a minter and ogle at its under bonnet minty freshness.

 

[appletonn]

ORIGINAL: Fen

ORIGINAL: pauly ...I,m tempted to push my self imposed 944T budget and go and see the RPM road car, it's only the fact that reasonable 968s start at the same money that's stopping me.

You are implying that the 968 is a better car. It isn't; it is a different car. If you want to compare the 968 with a 944 the compare it with the S2 are they are virtually the same. The 944T is a totally different animal. If you have driven both models, or even if you know what you want to do with the car, it should be easy to decide which is right for you. It's no more logical to consider the 968 as an alternative to the 944T as a diesel of some sort if what's under the bonnet of a sports coupe is that unimportant. They may have similar one paper power outputs, but they are anything but similar. Add to that that you'd get an average 968 for nice 944T money and there is no sense in it. Basically if you want a car to run standard buy an S2 as they are much nicer. If you want a 968, buy an S2 for half the money and refresh the worn bits; it'll be a better example of a very similar car in the end. If on the other hand you want a car to modify then buy a 250 Turbo as straight out of the box it has a lot of bits you'll spend money on adding to a lesser model and it will actually respond to engine tuning unlike the NA cars. In terms of value there is no such thing as a cheap Porsche. Buy a scruffy Turbo for £5k and throw another £5k at it and I bet you'll still be nowhere near what you could have bought by spending £10k wisely in the first place, and you'll struggle to get the same for it at resale as the nicer one could achieve - these things have an incredible appetite for money when they have things wrong with them (especially corrosion or interior trim defects) and as others have said many times spares for 20 year old Porsches still cost new Porsche spares money.

Fen, wise words indeed[]

 

[pauljmcnulty]

I've been down this road, had some good honest advice and some snotty comments along the way, my opinion is value is a matter of opinion, the guy's that's selling and the guy that's buying, if you both agree that's all that matters whether it's £2k or £10k. I,m tempted to push my self imposed 944T budget and go and see the RPM road car, it's only the fact that reasonable 968s start at the same money that's stopping me.

To be fair, you've tried hard to get those snotty comments by winding some well-respected long-time members of various forums up! Your first decision needs to be what car you want. The 968 is a facelifeted 944 S2 with a few extra horses and some extra potential costs. A properly-sorted 944T is nothing like a 968. Consider the 968T, one was up for £50k recently, or the S/C 968 conversions, nice ones from around £20K. Puts the price of a 944T in context, which is why they are so popular. []

 

[berg944]

I thought I was the only one with a mint turbo[] Mike[:'(]

 

[millisland]

I am finding this an interesting thread and making me feel very happy with my 944 Turbo [][][]. I sometimes have the urge to sell it and then I drive it and I think "No way"..... Harriet

 

[Lemon]

ORIGINAL: berg944 I thought I was the only one with a mint turbo[] Mike[:'(]

Hahahahaha very funny Mike[]

 

[MarkK]

[link=http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/505627.htm]http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/505627.htm[/link] i think this is a nice one too....

 

[pauly]

ORIGINAL: Fen

ORIGINAL: pauly ...I,m tempted to push my self imposed 944T budget and go and see the RPM road car, it's only the fact that reasonable 968s start at the same money that's stopping me.

You are implying that the 968 is a better car. It isn't; it is a different car. If you want to compare the 968 with a 944 the compare it with the S2 are they are virtually the same. The 944T is a totally different animal. If you have driven both models, or even if you know what you want to do with the car, it should be easy to decide which is right for you. It's no more logical to consider the 968 as an alternative to the 944T as a diesel of some sort if what's under the bonnet of a sports coupe is that unimportant. They may have similar one paper power outputs, but they are anything but similar. Add to that that you'd get an average 968 for nice 944T money and there is no sense in it. Basically if you want a car to run standard buy an S2 as they are much nicer. If you want a 968, buy an S2 for half the money and refresh the worn bits; it'll be a better example of a very similar car in the end. If on the other hand you want a car to modify then buy a 250 Turbo as straight out of the box it has a lot of bits you'll spend money on adding to a lesser model and it will actually respond to engine tuning unlike the NA cars. In terms of value there is no such thing as a cheap Porsche. Buy a scruffy Turbo for £5k and throw another £5k at it and I bet you'll still be nowhere near what you could have bought by spending £10k wisely in the first place, and you'll struggle to get the same for it at resale as the nicer one could achieve - these things have an incredible appetite for money when they have things wrong with them (especially corrosion or interior trim defects) and as others have said many times spares for 20 year old Porsches still cost new Porsche spares money.

Not sure where I implied anything, the 968 would be a slightly newer car and for me a nicer looking car with 6 gears, reading posts on various forums from people that have had both seems to suggest most prefered the 968 overall, was 80% of it new as Porsche claimed I don't know but I don't think a 968 is an S2 in a frock.

 

[piperboxster]

A £10k or thereabouts 944 T is what I am looking for then

 

[pauly]

ORIGINAL: pauljmcnulty To be fair, you've tried hard to get those snotty comments by winding some well-respected long-time members of various forums up! Your first decision needs to be what car you want. The 968 is a facelifeted 944 S2 with a few extra horses and some extra potential costs. A properly-sorted 944T is nothing like a 968. Consider the 968T, one was up for £50k recently, or the S/C 968 conversions, nice ones from around £20K. Puts the price of a 944T in context, which is why they are so popular. []

You'll have to remind me which forums and how I've wound people up, back to the cars though it's hardly a direct comparison comparing a modified car with a standard one is it ?.

 

[DavidL]

The RPM cars must be a bench mark - the first (not the "fast rd" one) has many of the preferred mods already done and undoubtedly even if you were given a shed of a car you would spend more to get it to this standard. If you want these alterations and can do it all at once then do it. I may well have but it took a little while to prepare and something else came up. However I would temper this with the realisation that with this type of "expensive" car (not necessarily the RPM ones) you are not guaranteed 100% reliability and trouble freeness! Parts of the car are still going to be 20 years old, untouched and original and will still fail leaving you stranded. So does it make them worth buying? It is not the same decision as spending 3K on an old used car or 10K on a nice new one. Mind you new ones break too! Then you get to concourse cars - they are spotless but how used are they and how reliable would they be if pressed into daily use all of a sudden? Pricing these is difficult again. The one at the CC concourse was soooo clean as to be unbelievable, dare I say it bordering on a little OTT? But no doubt on the market it would command major money. Seeing Harriet's name above - her black 44T is an absolute peach!

 

[peanut]

ORIGINAL: bigkeeko ` finding one thats 100% accurately advertised is near impossible. I think I`ve seen one S2 and one turbo that fits the bill. I`d say more than half the `mint` or `immaculate` cars aren`t. Some pepoles idea of mint and mine are totally different.

My experience is people that say they are looking for mint cars are either unable to afford them or more often unwilling to pay the high premium for such quality. There is little point in looking at a sub £8k Turbo and then moaning that its not really the mint car that you were expecting! Your best bet is to view PCGB member's cars that have a known provinance.

 

[pauly]

I have exchanged a few mails with the guy at RPM but I would be interested to know what condition it was in before it was restored, was it a straight car that was turned into something special or was it a rough car that needed lot's of work to make it presentable.

 

[bigkeeko]

`You pays your money and takes your choice`. I`d look for a standard unmodded lower miles straight car every time. To buy (in the usual sellers own words) an `honest old car` (read `tired` and on the way to major bills) and throw an unquantifiable amount of money at it to make it `right` doesn`t add up to me. Everyone`s different of course and some enjoy returning a car to its former glory. Can`t really say any route is right. If it wasn`t for guys spending money restoring older motors there`d be less for all of us!

 

[bigkeeko]

ORIGINAL: peanut

ORIGINAL: bigkeeko ` finding one thats 100% accurately advertised is near impossible. I think I`ve seen one S2 and one turbo that fits the bill. I`d say more than half the `mint` or `immaculate` cars aren`t. Some pepoles idea of mint and mine are totally different.

My experience is people that say they are looking for mint cars are either unable to afford them or more often unwilling to pay the high premium for such quality.

Not sure how to take that one [8|] . It is always better to ask then to make an assumption.

 

[Fen]

ORIGINAL: pauly Not sure where I implied anything, the 968 would be a slightly newer car and for me a nicer looking car with 6 gears, reading posts on various forums from people that have had both seems to suggest most prefered the 968 overall, was 80% of it new as Porsche claimed I don't know but I don't think a 968 is an S2 in a frock.

With respect you implied it quite clearly when you said (I paraphrase) "I want to increase my 944T budget but I haven't because it gets to 968 money". What else does that mean? If you aren't comapring the two models you may as well have said you don't want to increase the budget because Whirlpool have a nice new washing machine coming out for all the sense that's left in the statement, and equally unless you are suggesting the 968 is superior the statement makes equally little sense. I know what Porsche said about the 968 and I know lots of people who have had 944s and 968s. The ones who spent the extra on a 968 usually say they prefer it - but then they'd hardly say otherwise. Most of them came from a 944 Lux (incomparable) or an S2. I also know lots of people who have had several Porsches including a 944T and many, many of them remember the 944T as being exceptional. I guess if Porsche said 80% of the 968 was new they meant it, but I'm pretty sure I could point to 20%+ that is pure 944S2 so maybe it was hyperbole. What I can tell you is that most of it is either a superceding part such that it would be supplied to use on a 944 these days (so that tells me it's all but identical) or it's cosmetic. I can also tell you many stock 968s make less power than stock S2s on dyno days, there were issues with the six speed 'box (and it simply isn't necessary - nobody said the S2 needed another ratio or closer cogs and the 968 was meant to have flatter torque, so why on earth did it need a 6 speed 'box? Marketing). A newer car. Yeah, right! The newest 968 is 13 years old. They are all old cars, and you assess old cars on individual condition Of course if you know better then fine - make your own decision, but may I suggest you stop asking for advice from people who really do know and just get on with it, then we won't waste our time telling you stuff that we have learned over a lot of years, £s and miles with these cars that you'll ignore.