My S2 has got MAF !
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Diver944
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Exciting news regarding the SciVison MAF kit for 944s [
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Andrew Sweetenham at www.PromaxMotorSport.com will shortly be stocking these and has just announced it on the Titanic list where he can freely advertise such goodies. As so many of us are very interested in this, here is a straight cut n paste with all the relevant information:
[FONT=courier new"]944 NA 8v MAF Kit £599.95
944 S2 MAF Kit £599.95
944 S2 MAF Performance Kit £699.95
944 Turbo MAF Kit £599.95 [1]
944 Turbo MAF Performance Kit £789.95 (mid October - standard cars)
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[FONT=courier new"]911 3.2 Carrera MAF Performance Kit £799.95 (11/2005)
964 3.6 Carrera MAF Performance Kit £799.95 (11/2055)
[1] The 944 Turbo MAF Performance Kit will consist of a 3.0 BAR Fuel Pressure Regulator, MAF Chips (DME/KLR), 2 x Wastegate Shims and the Bosch HFM5 MAF and Control Electronics to interface to the ECU. Others will come complete with a MAF developed performance EPROM (944 S2, 911 3.2 and 964).
All the above will be a direct plug and play solution and require no tuning. The Performance Kits will be supplied with MAF enhanced EPROMS to optimise the ability of the MAF unit. All prices are inclusive UK delivered (EU and overseas delivery will be slightly higher).
NOTE: Please do not confuse with the MAP kits (Link AFM). These kits use the latest industry standard Bosch HFM5 Air Mass Meter unit that is interfaced using SciVision advanced signal control to deliver a fully compatible AFM signal to your car's DME computer.
The MAF kits will deliver 928/968 style throttle response with greatly enhanced drivability and improved torque. Cars that are already modified can use the MAF Kit too (rather than MAF Performance Kit) as a direct plug in replacement for the AFM (Air Flow Meter) and still get the benefits without the aggravation of programming or set-up. If you are running higher than average boost on a turbo - the MAF will allow enhanced air flow without the complications of previous MAP set-ups.
Needless to say that as soon as my engine is rebuilt I plan to get one bolted on a.s.a.p [8D]
][8D][]Andrew Sweetenham at www.PromaxMotorSport.com will shortly be stocking these and has just announced it on the Titanic list where he can freely advertise such goodies. As so many of us are very interested in this, here is a straight cut n paste with all the relevant information:
[FONT=courier new"]944 NA 8v MAF Kit £599.95
944 S2 MAF Kit £599.95
944 S2 MAF Performance Kit £699.95
944 Turbo MAF Kit £599.95 [1]
944 Turbo MAF Performance Kit £789.95 (mid October - standard cars)
[FONT=courier new"]911 3.2 Carrera MAF Performance Kit £799.95 (11/2005)964 3.6 Carrera MAF Performance Kit £799.95 (11/2055)
[1] The 944 Turbo MAF Performance Kit will consist of a 3.0 BAR Fuel Pressure Regulator, MAF Chips (DME/KLR), 2 x Wastegate Shims and the Bosch HFM5 MAF and Control Electronics to interface to the ECU. Others will come complete with a MAF developed performance EPROM (944 S2, 911 3.2 and 964).All the above will be a direct plug and play solution and require no tuning. The Performance Kits will be supplied with MAF enhanced EPROMS to optimise the ability of the MAF unit. All prices are inclusive UK delivered (EU and overseas delivery will be slightly higher).
NOTE: Please do not confuse with the MAP kits (Link AFM). These kits use the latest industry standard Bosch HFM5 Air Mass Meter unit that is interfaced using SciVision advanced signal control to deliver a fully compatible AFM signal to your car's DME computer.
The MAF kits will deliver 928/968 style throttle response with greatly enhanced drivability and improved torque. Cars that are already modified can use the MAF Kit too (rather than MAF Performance Kit) as a direct plug in replacement for the AFM (Air Flow Meter) and still get the benefits without the aggravation of programming or set-up. If you are running higher than average boost on a turbo - the MAF will allow enhanced air flow without the complications of previous MAP set-ups.
Needless to say that as soon as my engine is rebuilt I plan to get one bolted on a.s.a.p [8D]
Diver944
Active member
Don't forget postage from Germany and VAT to be added on top (I presume that as its from a fellow EU country that we'd be exempt on import tax). If postage were £20 then the total would be £540
Normally I like to source items direct if it will save me a bit of cash but in this instance I don't think the saving is worth being able to buy it from someone in-country who I can just pick up the phone and natter with if I have a problem []
Normally I like to source items direct if it will save me a bit of cash but in this instance I don't think the saving is worth being able to buy it from someone in-country who I can just pick up the phone and natter with if I have a problem [
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TTM
Well-known member
The kit remains available directly from its designer for €650 (and since this is a public forum I won't comment on VAT).
It remains better to deal directly with the designer in case of issue.
Next time I come across a similarly interesting 944 product I will keep it for myself and I won't share any interesting info anymore if it can possibly end up being exploited by middlemen.
Anyway this kit remains a top piece of ... kit and 944 enthusiasts, errr "customers" sorry, will love it.
It remains better to deal directly with the designer in case of issue.
Next time I come across a similarly interesting 944 product I will keep it for myself and I won't share any interesting info anymore if it can possibly end up being exploited by middlemen.
Anyway this kit remains a top piece of ... kit and 944 enthusiasts, errr "customers" sorry, will love it.
TTM
Well-known member
Mr. Sweetenham,
As you are an aftermarket "peformance Porsche parts" supplier with a reputation to behold in your home market I understand and appreciate your need for public justifications.
However, I think it is fair to say you are providing misleading and incorrect information.
1/ As of last week the MAF kit could still be ordered directly from SciVision for the quoted price.
German 944 owning enthusiasts have ordered their kits from SciVision, which goes along with the fact SciVision are a retailer for their own product. Although I may be wrong I hardly see SciVision using ProMax Motorsport to deliver their products in their home market of Germany.
However, if SciVision have made a deal with ProMAX Motorsport regarding providing their product to the UK then it is an important point you perhaps may have needed to add, at least to 944 owning enthusiasts who live out of the UK.
2/ In an e-mail dated August 22nd you asked me for the phone number of SciVision. This is contradictory with your saying you "have been in dialog with SciVision for more than 3 months now". Still, if this had been the case it is odd you did not ask them their phone number in the first place.
As you are an aftermarket "peformance Porsche parts" supplier with a reputation to behold in your home market I understand and appreciate your need for public justifications.
However, I think it is fair to say you are providing misleading and incorrect information.
1/ As of last week the MAF kit could still be ordered directly from SciVision for the quoted price.
German 944 owning enthusiasts have ordered their kits from SciVision, which goes along with the fact SciVision are a retailer for their own product. Although I may be wrong I hardly see SciVision using ProMax Motorsport to deliver their products in their home market of Germany.
However, if SciVision have made a deal with ProMAX Motorsport regarding providing their product to the UK then it is an important point you perhaps may have needed to add, at least to 944 owning enthusiasts who live out of the UK.
2/ In an e-mail dated August 22nd you asked me for the phone number of SciVision. This is contradictory with your saying you "have been in dialog with SciVision for more than 3 months now". Still, if this had been the case it is odd you did not ask them their phone number in the first place.
Big Dave
New member
Cricky .. Im glad you two have sorted that out.[8|][8|][8|]
I thought it was going to be "handbags at dawn".....[][][]
Seriously though ,, im looking forward to the "developments ahead"...
Could this help the 944S2 become almost a 968 in terms of power..?????
Ive currently got a Promax chip fitted to my S2 along with the cat pipe + janspeed system , with a "cone" filter kit + Optimax fuel also. So ive just about "maxed" the tunning side without resorting to more "drastic" measures..[][][]
Watching with interest.....[][][]
I thought it was going to be "handbags at dawn".....[
][][]Seriously though ,, im looking forward to the "developments ahead"...
Could this help the 944S2 become almost a 968 in terms of power..?????
Ive currently got a Promax chip fitted to my S2 along with the cat pipe + janspeed system , with a "cone" filter kit + Optimax fuel also. So ive just about "maxed" the tunning side without resorting to more "drastic" measures..[
][][]Watching with interest.....[
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Hi,
Go away for a little while and exciting new stuff jumps out.
If this is the same guy who was posting on rennlist (and I believe it is) has he found that MAF works fine with the turbo cars as he was tending towards MAP at one stage.
Will the turbo kit work with different turbo specs out of the box?
Does it need specific chips as it is recreating the signal from the barn door with its own specific box of tricks.
If specific chips are required will they have settings for different injectors / boost levels / timing etc. Are there any dyno plots of cars running them?
Will it be possible to fine tune the AFR?
Sorry if this has been covered on Titanic but I cant get access currently.
Tony
Go away for a little while and exciting new stuff jumps out.
If this is the same guy who was posting on rennlist (and I believe it is) has he found that MAF works fine with the turbo cars as he was tending towards MAP at one stage.
Will the turbo kit work with different turbo specs out of the box?
Does it need specific chips as it is recreating the signal from the barn door with its own specific box of tricks.
If specific chips are required will they have settings for different injectors / boost levels / timing etc. Are there any dyno plots of cars running them?
Will it be possible to fine tune the AFR?
Sorry if this has been covered on Titanic but I cant get access currently.
Tony
Having just read the debate about the fairness or otherwise of the deal on offer from Andrew Sweetenham's company, can I just comment that if I had a problem with a product I would far rather have to take it up with a UK business than one overseas. And if that means paying a bit more well thats life. I don't regard it as a rip off to have all the consumer protection that is on offer in the UK. Of course that's because I am based in the UK; if I was based in (say) Germany I would no doubt rather buy from the supplier there.
Oh and I have absolutely no connection with anyone involved!
Oh and I have absolutely no connection with anyone involved!
TTM
Well-known member
Does this suggest there is no service provided for problem unrelated to installation ?
When people fit on their cars devices that are not homologated, they should behave responsibly if anything goes wrong and certainly not reject the responsibility on the seller.
However, homologated or not, for that price I would give feedback to the seller accordingly if said device went wrong.
carlmthompson
New member
Here we go again?
Personally speaking TTM, reputation speaks a thousand words.
Getting sick of trying to prove Promax is in the wrong?
Let people make up their own mind - buy from UK dealer or not.
If Promax didn't have a good rep, people on the forum would be first to speak up, and first to contradict Andrews' posts. Personally I don't speak foreign (not being nasty - sister is 1/2 Spanish, speaks 4 languages fluently and Brother in law is Spanish - would love to be the same but am not!) So would prefer to speak to someone who I can understand (not translate), and don't mind people charging a margin for the service (even though in this case, that isn't happening).
Oh, and by the way, I don't know Andrew, have never spoken to him, or bought anything from his company.
If I was in the market for the type of products he sells (which for the forseable future I'm not!) , I would research the market (as I always do), and speak to those who are in the know (this forum and suppliers), and buy from those who give the best VFM (not always the cheapest!). And I would listen to recommendations of those who have bought the same products.
Yer spends yer money and takes your chance - let it go!
(sorry for the rant everyone - too much coffee!)
Personally speaking TTM, reputation speaks a thousand words.
Getting sick of trying to prove Promax is in the wrong?
Let people make up their own mind - buy from UK dealer or not.
If Promax didn't have a good rep, people on the forum would be first to speak up, and first to contradict Andrews' posts. Personally I don't speak foreign (not being nasty - sister is 1/2 Spanish, speaks 4 languages fluently and Brother in law is Spanish - would love to be the same but am not!) So would prefer to speak to someone who I can understand (not translate), and don't mind people charging a margin for the service (even though in this case, that isn't happening).
Oh, and by the way, I don't know Andrew, have never spoken to him, or bought anything from his company.
If I was in the market for the type of products he sells (which for the forseable future I'm not!) , I would research the market (as I always do), and speak to those who are in the know (this forum and suppliers), and buy from those who give the best VFM (not always the cheapest!). And I would listen to recommendations of those who have bought the same products.
Yer spends yer money and takes your chance - let it go!
(sorry for the rant everyone - too much coffee!)
chrisdenton
New member
I agree.
Surely if importing goods and selling on at a reasonable margin while also adding value by offering advice and support was so easy, wouldn't we all be doing it?
Sure, Andrew is very quick to offer advice and a source of supply but we all have a choice and lets face it, I would rather have the peace of mind of dealing locally especially if things go wrong and these products aren't cheap.
I also have no association with Andrew but I don't see many other suppliers offering free advice on this forum and if by doing this it helps his business then good for him!
Surely if importing goods and selling on at a reasonable margin while also adding value by offering advice and support was so easy, wouldn't we all be doing it?
Sure, Andrew is very quick to offer advice and a source of supply but we all have a choice and lets face it, I would rather have the peace of mind of dealing locally especially if things go wrong and these products aren't cheap.
I also have no association with Andrew but I don't see many other suppliers offering free advice on this forum and if by doing this it helps his business then good for him!
If you read my recent thread on products from ProMAX it is apparent that buying from Andrew need not cost you more than going direct. It may even be cheaper. It is certainly easier.
How can it be no more expensive if the dealer is making a profit as well? Because distributors/agents/dealers (call them what you will) buy quantities of products and so potentially receive a discount not available to the man in the street. The dealer also saves on postage and packing by obtaining items in bulk.
And here is another "secret" that some of you might not realise - Manufacturers establish a market rate for their product, say £10. If you go to them direct they will sell you the product at £10. If, however, they have a dealer/agent etc etc. the dealer will get the product at a discount. The dealers profit in selling the item to you is the discount. The dealer might even reduce his profit so you could pay less for the item than if you had bought it direct from the manufacturer - it may sound bizarre but it happens far more than you might realise. Although the manufacturer doesn't get as much for his product, when selling to a dealer, he also doesn't have the administration costs of distribution, marketing, financing small quantities etc, etc.
This is how it works with almost everything you buy, offten several times over. Accept it and move on.
How can it be no more expensive if the dealer is making a profit as well? Because distributors/agents/dealers (call them what you will) buy quantities of products and so potentially receive a discount not available to the man in the street. The dealer also saves on postage and packing by obtaining items in bulk.
And here is another "secret" that some of you might not realise - Manufacturers establish a market rate for their product, say £10. If you go to them direct they will sell you the product at £10. If, however, they have a dealer/agent etc etc. the dealer will get the product at a discount. The dealers profit in selling the item to you is the discount. The dealer might even reduce his profit so you could pay less for the item than if you had bought it direct from the manufacturer - it may sound bizarre but it happens far more than you might realise. Although the manufacturer doesn't get as much for his product, when selling to a dealer, he also doesn't have the administration costs of distribution, marketing, financing small quantities etc, etc.
This is how it works with almost everything you buy, offten several times over. Accept it and move on.
TTM
Well-known member
No.
I have waited one year to get one of those MAF kits and was the first to mention it here.
That a so-called supplier who is in fact a one-man show selling products for twice the price he buys them tries to make unjustified profit using my free feedback is something I won't swallow.
By the way, it is not acceptable that a business man posts on such a forum to promote his products, especially as he never offers free advices for trouble shooting, etc.
It is not acceptable either that moderators who are supposed to be independant in their sayings actively promote his products as well.
carlmthompson
New member
A quick search will show that Andrew provides advice on many areas - those where he might make a sale or not. He has also supported at least one rolling road day - offerning to give trials of chips etc.
Okay, you got the kit first - we get it. But we won't get it at half the price that Andrew is selling them for.
People / Moderators on this forum have a choice - speak up about good service or not. Personally I'd rather know either way, and calling Andrew a profiteering one man band without trying out his services for yourself is on the verge of liable itself.
As I've said before - people have a choice - you've had your say, appologised for being wrong, and then waded in again at the mearest oppertunity. Now accept it and move on.
Okay, you got the kit first - we get it. But we won't get it at half the price that Andrew is selling them for.
People / Moderators on this forum have a choice - speak up about good service or not. Personally I'd rather know either way, and calling Andrew a profiteering one man band without trying out his services for yourself is on the verge of liable itself.
As I've said before - people have a choice - you've had your say, appologised for being wrong, and then waded in again at the mearest oppertunity. Now accept it and move on.
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