Notice anything different?

[924Srr27l]

hmm.. guys... still wearing my 'fair' hat, I'm not using the web or gossip to say that my car is identified by Porsche as a 952, I am using Porsche themselves, my original service book makes it very clear that my car is identified by them as a 952, this label is part of my 'vehicle identification page' that besides this gives name/ address of original owner and the Porsche dealer that supplied the car.

Pete

That looks Crystal clear to me Pete, on the left it should say "Type" and the "952" is in black and white !

R

Porsche's Internal Code numbers for their inventory & production purposes don't always correspond to the model and format
they are produced and marketed with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_type_numbers

R

It must be right as it is on the Interweb. It astonishes me that someone would spend their time compiling such a list.

Accurate or not there are some interesting things to consider e.g. Porsche 300 was perhaps the biggest export of the period.

How do you explain pete's 952 Information type code then John ?

 

[blade7]

I posted mine and a LHD 951 one up years ago Pete....

 

[944 man]

Pedro, is your VIN WPOzzz95zGN1xxxxx, or WPOzzz95zGN2xxxxx?

Referring to them as '952' is smug elitist nonsense. Usually accompanied by a condescending 'I know more than you' wink.

Well, there are scores of people who know more than me, but none refer to their cars as '952', or '945'.

 

[PSH]

Hi Simon, as it happens I always call my car a 951..no elitism here.. I'm just saying that my 'Vehicle Identity page' as supplied by Porsche in my service book clearly shows '952' as it's model number..... my ID number is 92100080010, delivered 22/04/86, I don't recognise either of those VIN's you show, my VIN is shown in full on the top line of the picture I posted...WPOZZZ95ZGN101618

cheers

Pete

 

[924Srr27l]

Hi Simon, as it happens I always call my car a 951..no elitism here.. I'm just saying that my 'Vehicle Identity page' as supplied by Porsche in my service book clearly shows '952' as it's model number..... my ID number is 92100080010, delivered 22/04/86, I don't recognise either of those VIN's you show, my VIN is shown in full on the top line of the picture I posted...WPOZZZ95ZGN101618
cheers
Pete

It's an poor attitude that really does not look good anywhere, you know the rules of the Game,

Porsche's Internal production Type numbers they are, not the model. If people want to call their car by something else name or number
let them get on with it, but there's no need for the usual select few to get snotty, personally insulting and declare the facts are Tosh when
it's clearly written in Ink !

R

(degrading reference to a user removed)

 

[pauljmcnulty]

Do I lock this thread, as it's not going anywhere?

NOOOO! I bring you good news to brighten the dark, rainy days of summer. I'm also back in the Club, and still very happy to welcome all the valuable non-members who make this forum such a great place to be. []

 

[944 man]

Hi Simon, as it happens I always call my car a 951..no elitism here.. I'm just saying that my 'Vehicle Identity page' as supplied by Porsche in my service book clearly shows '952' as it's model number..... my ID number is 92100080010, delivered 22/04/86, I don't recognise either of those VIN's you show, my VIN is shown in full on the top line of the picture I posted...WPOZZZ95ZGN101618

cheers

Pete

Glaring error corrected, now that I am no longer apoplectic (and am able to count to G/6 on my fingers without shaking); and also sat at a PC... My point is, that the VIN identifies the car as a 951, as the VIN on my 86 identifies it as a 944 - not a 945.

 

[TTM]

"Member"... each time I hear this term it makes me think of the third leg, in the pejorative meaning, though that may be because I'm not one of Her Majesty's subject.
We're all someone else's "member" I suppose []

 

[944 man]

Do I lock this thread, as it's not going anywhere?

NOOOO! I bring you good news to brighten the dark, rainy days of summer. I'm also back in the Club, and still very happy to welcome all the valuable non-members who make this forum such a great place to be. []

Congratulations on your no longer being a freeloader. Feel free to partake and comment to your heart's delight. []

 

[PSH]

well, we have a bit of a conundrum then...whereas I don't doubt the online Vin code checker...this is the original service book and clearly states 952 as the car's model ...there is no question that this is fact, it's sitting right in front of me in B&W....it's not hand written by some elitist, it's the official Porsche ID printed label giving, chassis, model, engine, transmission, colour and all 6 of the options on the car...well 5 as I believe one just means there's no lacquer....I think the phrase is 'irrefutable evidence' that 952 as a code from Porsche does indeed exist.

cheers

Pete

 

[pauljmcnulty]

This forum really needs a "like" button Simon!

 

[944 man]

well, we have a bit of a conundrum then...whereas I don't doubt the online Vin code checker...this is the original service book and clearly states 952 as the car's model ...there is no question that this is fact, it's sitting right in front of me in B&W....it's not hand written by some elitist, it's the official Porsche ID printed label giving, chassis, model, engine, transmission, colour and all 6 of the options on the car...well 5 as I believe one just means there's no lacquer....I think the phrase is 'irrefutable evidence' that 952 as a code from Porsche does indeed exist.

cheers

Pete

As you are aware Pete, I have had more than one. I know what is written on the assembly sticker and we both know that it is a 944 Turbo, or a 951 if you must. 952 is not a different model, its a LHD car with as little as possible altered to accommodate right hand steering.

On a separate note: Id be interested to hear your explanation for the engine number.

 

[PSH]

that's not the engine number, that's part of the 952 code, perhaps saying the car is the 52nd 952 produced that year?...the engine type is on the next line '51' along with the transmission 'SP' I'm not trying to say it's a different car, it's a 944 turbo plain and simple, but the internal code of 952 is clearly fact.. I have noted comments on the Porsche news site where they state this....
The Porsche Code
Every Porsche model has an official name and an in-house type number. Sometimes the two are identical, sometimes not – how can the system be understood?

I'm not disputing that the 952 is an in-house number but an official number it is...I suspect the same goes for 953....but I don't own the rally 959 with stamped service book to prove it, bit out of my price range...

Pete

 

[PSH]

here's the full label along with the box headings...

regards

Pete

 

[924Srr27l]

keep going Pete, your banging your head against a brick wall trying to explain this very simple type system.
It's a momentary lapse of reason for some people!

R

 

[John Sims]

....That looks Crystal clear to me Pete, on the left it should say "Type" and the "952" is in black and white !

R

It must be right as it is on the Interweb. It astonishes me that someone would spend their time compiling such a list.

Accurate or not there are some interesting things to consider e.g. Porsche 300 was perhaps the biggest export of the period.

How do you explain pete's 952 Information type code then John ?

You obviously confuse me with someone who gives a ? . I have already said I don't care one way or another it just amused me, in the cyclic nature of a forum, that argument/discussion has come to the surface once again.

I seem to recall in (one) of the preceding debates I was originally pro 952, but equally seem to recall there being sufficient evidence to suggest 951 was more appropriate ... but you can call it what you like I really don't care.

In the practice of Sherlock Holmes, I endeavour not to clutter my mind with trivia in order that I may allow room for more important things. Hence, I have no recollection of the pertinent points of the argument aside that it existed.

 

[John Sims]

This forum really needs a "like" button Simon!

Absolutely.

 

[924Srr27l]

....That looks Crystal clear to me Pete, on the left it should say "Type" and the "952" is in black and white !
R

It must be right as it is on the Interweb. It astonishes me that someone would spend their time compiling such a list.
Accurate or not there are some interesting things to consider e.g. Porsche 300 was perhaps the biggest export of the period.

How do you explain pete's 952 Information type code then John ?

You obviously confuse me with someone who gives a ? . I have already said I don't care one way or another it just amused me, in the cyclic nature of a forum, that argument/discussion has come to the surface once again.
I seem to recall in (one) of the preceding debates I was originally pro 952, but equally seem to recall there being sufficient evidence to suggest 951 was more appropriate ... but you can call it what you like I really don't care.
In the practice of Sherlock Holmes, I endeavour not to clutter my mind with trivia in order that I may allow room for more important things. Hence, I have no recollection of the pertinent points of the argument aside that it existed.

John, calm down it's not a debate or an opinion but factual information on production type codes that Porsche use, some of the info on the Wiki list or anywhere else could be incorrect? so it's always best / professional and adult like to discuss such.

There's not need to assume like some that it's a debate and should be turned that way with animosity etc..
If you or anyone else is not interested in the technical details and facts of Porsche cars, that's not a problem. Some owners like to polish their car
but are not interested in how the car's made, designed and works etc..others are the reverse or both!

Either way, there's no need to put down and ridicule such interests that some are and some are not interested in.

R

 

[944 man]

here's the full label along with the box headings...

regards

Pete

Ive looked at that a hundred times and never really thought it through. It was an aside though and my point remains: it's a 944 Turbo, and occasionally a 951, but never a 952, and you know what I mean Pete. It is identified as a typ.951 in the VIN and RHD is of no more real interest than the colour of the carpets.

 

[944 man]

This forum really needs a "like" button Simon!

And you really need a Porsche 944, too! It is always sad to see an enthusiast leave the marque P-Mac.